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quake live got 12 ppl playing high level + 3 tdm teams + lots of loadout-casual...

reflex could finally unite arena-shooter playerbase, as devs are listening to community, unlike id software(zenimax).

and that doesn't mean that many people didn't try to give zenimax enough possible solutions to increase playerbase, but the current buisness-model is just meant to be a big failure.. and I can't see it change in the near future..

reflex could finally unite arena-shooter playerbase

Q3A CPMA playerbase

FTFY

:)

it's more like players from cpm, warsow, ut , tf2, quakelive etc.. are giving it a shot and there is definitely the chance to unite a playerbase from different games, like it was in the beginning of quake 4, but we all know how this ended due to id software's failures..

looking at the server browser - it seems the activity is already very low... and this is with the release hype bubble? things only go downhill from here imo. to secure the future, you have to attract a new generation of players as they get bored, find other priorities or change in their tastes. this is like someone making 'DOTA3' 10 years from now after everyone will have moved onto crazy VR games etc.

I just dont understand how people expect to revive a niche genre which has had on several occasions proven to have a serious problem with attracting and retaining new players. you know what they say about 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results' right?

regular ql lasted from 2009-2012 with a decent population.

this new ql which is supposed to be more attractive to noobs.... the population lasted for a month lol.

This is exactly what they said about Q4.

Worked out perfectly.

And no one could run q4 on wooden pc's :o
q4 had shitty hit beep and models - broken geme

I will take those 12 people over 12k shitnoobs I can't even play because they can't reach my ballz.
Also Reflex in current shit-state is better than what q5 could ever be \ :D /

Also Reflex in current shit-state is better than what q5 could ever be \ :D /

Because it... exists? :DDDD

Fucking idiot haha

ql has so many player?

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you mean this game that has no spectator mode? :D

Ye, the game where players don't have weapons but spectators do :D

That was Faceit.

:S

Quake needs Quake5.
Quake5 needs $$$.
$$$ come from Zenimax.

stockholm's syndrome much huh?

This, but Zenimax needs to be replaced with something.

no, q5 will be very bad

same company

You mean like Faceit, that few people used?

No it has to be implemented well. That website was a catastrophe.

all this has to be implemented in quake - live userinterface itself. but I can't see this change happening, concerning buisness decisions of zenimax yet..

and it's not that people didn't suggest them to do things like that....(probably 1000x times)

Nope, that's just the community being lazy. It doesn't have to be integrated into Quake. If its already running, id will put it in the latest news or have a popup somewhere on the website.

I don't think it's a community being lazy thing, as if you look at this website and the effort some put in to get tournaments running, that's not the problem, I think..

but for example, take the state of the tdm community:
in the beginning of quake live(closed and open-beta), there were plenty of populated public tdm servers(eventhough you could argue most of the time was dm6 played, but was a good map for public tdm anyway, to hop in and have fun).

then zenimax got this "glorious" idea of seperating maps into standard/premium and even disabled public server votes.

this way public tdm died and with this, the possibility for newer players to get hooked to the gamemode(probably founding "fun"-tdm clans, like it was the normal way in quake1/2/3) while not being forced or probably just don't even know about pickup channels, which besides of that have an "elitist" attitude which is not really suitable for newer players to enjoy...

all this was zenimax fault aka really bad buisness decisions, rather than the community being lazy..

and I don't see a possible way, how there could be a growing tdm community with incoming fresh blood, if the only public experience of tdm for new players is this loadout crap..

edit: and the base of any healthy competitive scene(example of opposite: see hoq tdm signups) is a healthy "casual" scene(for tdm in quake live not existing and I can't see any possibilty, how there would even one "fun" clan would be founded by players used to play on loadout public tdm-servers)

proposed this to ID back in 2010 I think...

Something like this won't work unless it's integrated within quake.

The forum on QL had a "player/team searching team/player" for a whle (perhaps it still does) due to lack of other methods. Which worked somewhat averagely.
But for instance you'll never see such a post on esr (well perhaps there was at some time but it's less likely to happen here).

The real problem isn't really making a site that enables people to do the above... The problem is to get enough people on the site to make it usefull.
So first of you'd have to make the site in a way that it supports ALL games rather than just QL (because it's not feasable). But then you run up against things like Steam which already has similar things, for their own community.
And thus they won't use the site... Which means that too few people will.

So I'm not gonna make it :D

All what you wrote about was supported by the Faceit platform. Faceit wasn't only a duel cup on sundays. Problem is id software stopped supporting that site, the community didn't show that much interest on the platform really (besides ins winning money by WO) and them supporting cs:go is a way better choice for them than quake. so faceit abandoned quake live.


And even if faceit comes back or what you wrote is implemented by somebody else, the way to save quake has nothing to do with that really. What all quakes lack is a big playerbase, as in lots of noobs, and just implementing a ladder and whatnot is not the magic recipe to attract them.

As for the competitive scene, I think it is more than fine in all of them considering the games' circumstances. For instance with the numbers QL has the competitive side and community involvement should be even more dead and non existent than what it is now.

For saving quake what's needed s attracting those noobs in first place and also to keep them playing, for which there's various measures, but the opportunities already were wasted due to lack of work and huge mistakes from id software. In general terms the main problem is the last proper quake was made in 1999 and in QL's specific case we know what happened.

With that said, there's nothing that can be done at this point in the QL project that would be useful for the game's continuity. Just let it die really. As for the quake franchise, the only thing that can be done is making a quake 5 from scratch, all by id software itself and that includes single player, but it has the main issue that at best it would be finished in 2018 and that the company hasn't produced a great game since quake3.

The other thing is there's lots and lots of PC FPS games coming up soon, maybe even 20, so if QL dies it isn't a big loss really. Give it one year from this point on and "we" will have alternatives to it, and even if all those manage to fail there's still other great current FPS even though they aren't proper 'arena' ones, like cs:go. Actually might as well say that the spiritual sequels of doom, wolfenstein and quake weren't made by id software, but by one russian alone (brutal doom. Also doom4 is said to be heavily based on that), machinegames (another company that made "the new order" game) and people can fly (painkiller, maybe bulletstorm too).

cannot save... just play reflex!

fire the dev team... that's the best start

Wait there is a dev team still in place for QL? :D

more like: HIRE a dev team... that's the best start. *

This thread reminded me of an old joke:

How do you save a black guy from drowning?
You take your foot off his head.

It's actually a rather accurate analogy. ;)

Don't get it. Not sure if offended.

It's just a dumb high-school joke, no offence intended. :)

faceit kinda failed

sell the franchise

Just play it.

Save it?

If you love it, let it go)))

My biggest pointment about QuakeLIVE was the lack of league integration. Really collaberating with the leagues and incorperating them into the software. Highlight pro players/teams right inside the game.

oVERWATCH

how to save quake.

think about this for 1 second. what is the difference between walking in a ring and sparring, and having someone run up to you and punch you in the face?

its that in option 1 you *know* you are gonna get hurt.


steam isn't bad, but sync and his m8s haven't done shit to prevent the rape of noobs and the subsequent raging of the people whose games they fucked.

how to save quake: build time machine to 2001

Don't think it has a save game option. Its a multiplayer game. No campaign mode.