spent most of the time listening to 2gd and watching the cats :j

bad hair <

LOL anyone see that on cat randomly fall off the 2nd floor?

Yes i noticed it :D

all of this is so very ambitious. I have fear that this project will simply consume too much time to be relevant.

In a nutshell 30 first mins

- robots instead of human models
- 4 classes with unique weapons
- all weapons stronk (non-tier-like)
- robots have special abilities, such as creating decoy of yourself

I'm intrigued by the class system and the unique weapon design. Should there be more strategic mode like CTF that could create fortress-like depth. In duel match-ups of the classes such as in starcraft or street fighter would be very fresh angle, if balanced well.

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Hmm I agree.. I wonder what this may bring to the scene. if executed well, I could even love it.

They just need heaps of money now to be able to bring it to life before I die.

About the only thing I don't really like are the dipping rockets.

I on contrary like it, would like even bigger drop rate on some alt-fire mode, or just other very similar weapon, as he said that those are easy to make and playtest.

i also likie the dipping rocket system, but i would have normal fire for straight rockets and secondary for dipped (reminds me of q4 napalm gun, which was perfect for campers, flushing them out hiding below ledge height).

It's kind of like Mortar in Xonotic, it feels very rewarding if you hit an airshot with it.

In my limited Xonotic experience, I found I hit way more air shots with the mortar than with rockets or electro. It's hella fun!

Especially bouncing the mortar off the walls or the ceiling and getting a frag just on the fuse. =D

so 2gd is doing a 24/7 reality soap with his stream now? More surprising than what I've seen in the first 5 min of the reborn clip.

Atm there're qualifiers to the biggest esports tournament ever so he has guests discussing them/doing random shit on this stream and streaming the games from the other room on another stream

AND playing Mario Party
\o/

and its awesome! much prefer the laid back setting over anything else when it comes to game casting, even if thats not entirely what theyre doing ^_^

It's lifestyle streaming.

What tournament is that?

TI4 Dota 2

$6.233 million current price pool but increasing by $2.50 for every compendium bought

http://www.dota2.com/international/compendium/

Wow.

It's like watching Big Brother with gamers :D

Their map editor is basically just Sauerbraten. I'm pretty sure that engine is zlib licensed, so they could have just started with that...

Nope, not gonna work. Too many game modes, too many ideas.

I have the same feeling, it is overly complex, need to simplify. They have some good ideas though.

I think it's good to have many ideas at the beginning of the creative process. Over time the excess will be removed and the better ideas will be fleshed out to the fullest. Here is to hoping, anyway. No one wants a cluster of different games, different gametypes, different weapons, different abilities, and segregated communities.

Edit: Then again, he has spent an inordinate amount of time on DotA 2 and that filthy, casual, baby-tier community. Prepare for the worst.

the money has to come from somewhere -> dota2

and i think the 4 different robot types with different physics+weapons will sort itself out. people will go for the most popular one like you said. as long as it doesnt eat away too much time/money developing them it should only be a benefit.

that thing about a 2nd player as a wingman struck be a bit wrong though. also dont care much for illusions, james is playing too much dota2 :P

Why can't we all just play Quake 3 again?

Okay, you first!

Installed.

Who's next?

This is where it gets tricky...

cuz the engine runs on magic and unicorns.

Nufsaid.

Its Rainbows and Unicorns :P

FYI rainbow is magic ... just ask Neil deGrasse Tyson

noone really plays quake3.exe anymore

I'm feeling good about this, personally. Sure there are no guarantees, but it seems like he's really going to give it a shot, and probably avoid the usual traps of remaking Quake / making something no Quake player could like. In any case, this has cured my cynicism about 2GD the dota guy who followed the money and abandoned Quake.

I've always had the feeling that he just did whatever he did because he enjoyed it, not to stay overly loyal to anyone. That, I don't think he gives a shit about.

Yeah, I don't think he's doing this for the sake of loyalty. I'm just pleased that he's doing it, and that he hasn't forgotten what made Quake great.

I always told this. Different class with different skills! But need good balance so it can work in 1x1, not just in team mode. Need Quake + dota/lol game. Ofcors we don''t need BIG OPEN MAPS and crazy speed. I didn't like Shootmania and other games like Tribe etc becouse of this....
Imagine, one players can pick Semi-aircontrol CPM like movement player, other semi UT/WSW walljump player and so on. Hard to balance, but it's possible.

i am not sure if diffrent robot classes we be interplaying. I understanded james, that 1 type of robot will only play same type of robots. Having said that i guess it could be fun to play interrobot classes, if this was also an option. I wonder what class would come on top if "defrag" class and "cpm" class would play each other.

I didn't listen to show yet, just red few comments. I would love to see fps + dota/lol game. I would like to have option before match to pick some few skills (etc, make you invisible for 2-3 sec, or use big jump once in a minute, sprint for 3-5 seconds and so on..) ,or ability to pick different guns in match, etc you are picking RL , one player have 150 dmg, with big splash and lower speed, other have 90 dmg , but fast speed , one player picks LG, have 15 dmg but without truelighing option (lg trailing) and other 9 dmg but without trailing.

I think this can attrack kids, not just few thousands 25+ old fps players.

There was some discussion of this in the other thread: http://esreality.net/post/2596093/reborn-live...pid2596257

I'm hoping that they don't try to balance the classes against each other, but still allow people to play inter-class matches for fun.

yes no balancing fuck shit, that comes later if there is a necessity to do so.

The skill choosing could be done something like it's in RPG games. You'll be given X amount of points you can spend on different movement mechanics, items, weapons, armor and weapon stats etc.

So for example 2 players have 25 points. First one picks silent walking, aircontrol and strafejumping which costs him 2+5+2=9 points and now has 16 left to spend on items, armors (max armor limit?), weapons (pick a weaponset from a bigger list) etc. The other one wants walljumping, strafejumping and crouchsliding which costs him 3+2+3=8 points and now has 17 points left for other stuff.

And to balance this you can just change the amount one feature/item costs so you couldn't have all over-powered things together (for example air control is pretty overpowered so it costs more but this means you'll probably have to give away from armor/damage points or can't buy as many items due to lesser points).

And the more there are different weapons (basically steal them from every possible DM game) and items (steal them from every other game so we could have 3 second invis, smoke grenades, 3 second no damage walls etc etc) the bigger the possible variation of different strategies. Would be interesting just to play around and see how different combinations work.

Edit:

By this he could basically pick only movement physics for 25 points also, but it wouldn't be optimal.

yeah, I like it. We need something fresh and new. Such things realy attracting new players.

Sounds like cod:ghost

looking good James. Now make shit happen!

watched first 20 min of vid, I am happy about what I saw! But I would give chance to play different classes with each other. I know it's insane to balance it, but...
reverse jump is sick, love it!
ps. james if you reading this, please please make Q4 teleports ( you can shoot ..) and leave movement speed like in PK. Best way is to make few types of teleports.

Honestly I liked a ton of ideas I saw, but it doesn't look like this can actually turn into a fully fledged game. What I DO see is that it is a hotbed of great ideas and experimentation, which can lead the inspiration of another game.

that is weak bro. ofc it can turn into a fully fledged game it can be all we want it to be ... just fucking no unicorns and shit, okmaybe 1 for biber loving teen queen :***

I just really want to try it. Hook me up with some beta (alpha?) testing!

I dont see any answer to this so I ask here if anyone have noticed it.

How will the different robots work in tournaments? I mean in matchmaking he said you picked one robot and you will get matched against another player, playing the same robot. But what happends in the finals of a tournament if the players play different robots? That could be really unballanced. Or will there be one specific robot for competitive play?

It seems like he is adamant for robots to fight other robots of the same weight so maybe he is intending for weight class tournaments.

Like a light tourney, a mid tourney and a heavy tourney.

Seems like a shame and I assume everyone will just play light anyway.

I hope he at least allows mixed classes in team games.

Ah now I see, that seems pretty cool.

the way I see it, his game is just an engine and a matchmaker. you paste whatever mod/set of rules you want on top of it, be it vq3, cpm or whatever. people would all play reborn and have that workshop making easy money but would still be able to enjoy "their" game and hop into another mod seamlessly

one robot = one mod, I think he'd be pretty hard to balance those to fight in the same arena

I assume there would be a regulated set of mods/classes/robots though that he could balance

I cant see it being good for the game to have it split into a huge series of mods/bots without any core robots that are "official" in some sense

So while servers will be able to host their own robots with their own rules and skills and whatever, official servers and tournaments would have to use the "official" robots

I dont expect him to try and incorporate and balance every community created robot into matchmaking or something

finally, someone that gets it.

I just dont understand why ppl comment in ESR before seeing the whole video while trying to carefully understand everything :P

I just dont understand why ppl comment in ESR before seeing the whole video while trying to carefully understand everything :P

Serious or trolling?

its not a shame, if i understand it correctly ... some robots will be more of a "defrag" style, others "cpma" and others "vanilla".

So basicly robots are a diffrent naming system for diffrent mods instead of saying we have race, cpma or vanilla. Which i like since it brings a fresh take of the same principle to the table with broader potential to mix up everything.

its not a shame, if i understand it correctly ... some robots will be more of a "defrag" style, others "cpma" and others "vanilla".

If its like this then I agree, that would be cool. But I could swear he said a few weeks back that he was planning for light, mid weight and heavy robots

If thats true (which I'm starting to think its not) then it would be shitty because heavy vs heavy duels would be totally boring

But if its the way you described (which on reflection I think it is) then I dont have a problem with it

light = noob friendly: easy movement, few guns, not need to pickup them and so on.
mid = for more skilled games
heavy = for skilled and pro players or others who wants real challage.
it's not like heavy means, slow big robot...

nah I know, I interpreted it wrong when he talked about it in his stream a few weeks back

I think you're wrong ;D. By heavy robots it probably means slower but with more damage.

it's 2 in 1 :)
light = PK style movement and few guns = low skill :D
medium = CPM style movement with lower damage = higher skill :D
heavy = VQ3 - slower , but for pros :D

No I'm pretty sure the plan is that, the heavier the robot, the easier the movement. And vq3 movement is certainly hard enough already that it won't be for noobs.

How I can see it is that the lighter robots will be the ones harder to master so they'll probably be where all the quake fans will endup playing and it'll probably be the highest tier in the game.

But then again I hope CPM style doesn't become the popular one. I think the best 1v1 arena was always vq3 style :D. Takes less mechanics but way more thinking and strategy and stuff. I don't like CPM because of fastswitching and air control which is really hard to play on mousewheel weapon switching :D

I am sure, your english are far away from mine, so I believe in your words :))

have to respectfully disagree here, it's a lot easier to win games in cpm without having top notch combat skills, because the armor system rewards control a lot more than what you see in vq3

i'd say strategy is more important in cpm, whereas the balance in vq3 leans more towards perfect execution

I can't really speak on that matter but I'll trust you on this. My cpm scene knowledge is far too close to 0 to have anything to say other than speculation. When I think about cpm I see people running and spamming around the map for the entire game and it only just feels like a clusterfuck to me. Maybe it's because it's too damn fast for me to grasp xD

in cpm 200 / 200 is more health than 200 / 200 of ql / vq3, in vq3 if you have the wrong weapon out it can be more punishing than in cpm.

on a side note on this you said in your previous post:
> I think the best 1v1 arena was always vq3 style :D. Takes less mechanics but way more thinking and strategy and stuff.

I think dumb players should be able to win too. I am not saying cpm is for retards, each player develops different styles after all, i am just saying that doesn't matter how much you know about the game strategy / tactics that if you didn't train mechanical skills it will be helpless at most situations. This happens in real sports, i am pretty sure that cristiano ronaldo or messi aren't smarter than any of us, they just have incredible techniques and physical condition cos they practiced them more than anyone else. You see many people relating quake to chess and that's plain wrong, even if they are fine motor skills they are your own movement and that's why you have different handwriting than the rest of the people.

In my opinion Reborn is leaving behind a little bit the pure deathmatch to introduce aspects of other games like LoL, dota, hawken, etc... It gets closer to pokemon or card games than real sports (your style is conditioned on the character/robot you pick instead of developing your own withing the standards given by the game). Execution goes before tactics/strategy and these just appear when two players are about the same level.


but again, this is just my own opinion, probably influenced by all these years playing basketball. And despite this wall of text i wish the best of luck to this project, the fact that i am more of a reflex guy doesn't make me anti-reborn.

define skill :b

both light and heavy will have its pros and cons, and i belive it will have its reflection in player picks. if dev team manages to balance them well, the game will be awesome purely because of this role playing aspect.

imagine voo playing light robot, flying around the map like a bird, creating amazing angles for crazy shots, against heavy, position based gameplay of rapha.

I was asking for this and would love to see this, but as I understood, different robots = different game/rule set.

maybe its both. Maybe the game will release with light, mid and heavy robots that act just as they sound (light fast and squishy, heavy slow and tanky) and these will be the choices in matchmaking right out of the box.

And then on top of that people can make and mod their own robots that can have different movement styles/rule sets and run these on their servers.

who the fuck knows, gonna wait for james to confirm. I like both ideas anyway

as far as i understood, while making games only for certain class will be an option, mixing robots will also be possible. thats why he wants to balance the robots as much as possible.

its kinda fun and exciting, because different robots will fit different playstyles and players.

Just skimmed through it again and he says "you CAN search for other robots of the same class" so yeah youre right.

Apparently I did not watch this video very well first time round

I do remember him saying he wanted light vs light, mid vs mid and heavy vs heavy only a few weeks ago but I guess he changed his mind which is good

Implosion rocket is magnificent

how is it? its basically a reversed rocket jump

instead of "climbing the wall" you can just shoot the floor like with the primary fire

wow!

wow as in incredible stupid coment. this negative rocket sure has some nice tactic options

I was more thinking about the gun in combat

Pulling 2 enemies in with a secondary and then finishing them with a primary would be sweet

I remember doing that a long time ago in a game called Gunbound.

what was it like?

The game was fun. If I recall correctly, only one of the classes (or "Mobile") had such an ability. It was this one :

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Gunbound/Mobiles#J.D.

Honestly, I haven't really found a video that does it justice. The best I could find was this shit :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW_jbb_Z-F0

I played Gunbound Thor's Hammer back in 2004. At some point the versions changed and it went to shit. I guess the game's popularity dropped too and there were not enough left when youtube caught on to post good videos.

I imagine it would work a lot like crylink in Xonotic, you can get speed by shooting the projectile in front of your feet and you can do rocket jumps from ceilings too. You can be very creative with it.

I made a video example of the "ceiling climb" thing, you'll see it at 0:18
https://www.dropbox.com/s/poi1jkxq336djbg/Tricky.wmv

pull projectile in front, push projectile in back (rj)...same effect

Implosion for control, explosion for damage.

the project sounds nice, a lot of ideas and it clearly would put a fast paced fps on the forefront again, that's the main idea. people play dota because it's free, it uses steam (workshop, friends list, winter and summer sales, meaning they probably had an account already, just to buy that game at a 75% discount), you have a nice matchmaking to grab a quick game with your friends against people around your skill level, spec (a lot of stats) and replay (every game is available, I think ?) features, an easy way to make maps... pretty much everything quakelive doesn't have

so you take all that, put it in an arena fps game with an updated engine compared to quake, it's promising. will it become a reality ? I don't know. won't the communities be autistic fucks thinking the other robots are designed for retards/casuals/hardcore nerds ? I don't know. will they even drop their current game for more than a few hours at release before creating a thread "welp, it's shit, that's me going back to my game #2gd2btrue #hue" or "msg me when someone has made a vq3 robot and dm6" ? I don't know, but at least the project is moving along, it has some fresh ideas and should have the right advertisement. worst case, it doesn't happen and your current game is still there.

https://www.youtube.com/user/2GDReborn/

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lol

2GD is a pretty common name haha

Reborn too hahahaha

Amazing ideas, really refreshing to add action rpg elements to fps.

Map editor looks perfect, esp with the multiplayer aspect.

Weapons look interesting.

Ridiculously hard to balance.


Some ideas for team modes:

Maybe players start with 4 robot changes per game, with the ability to gain more through frags/pickups/defences etc. The idea being you have a core team(ie:tf2) with the ability to swap out certain playstyles when the game requires, except with a limit because tf2 turtle fest is fucking lame.

This allows there to be the standard lineup which can be balanced however all playstyles can come into play if needed, would reward people who can use strategy and teamwork over pure skill, and at the top level everyone would be both awesome and use the best strats.

Just please dont let there only be one robot per game, there will always be one robot thats underused because its much much harder to make work OR there will be WoW type rock paper scissors when it comes to lineups.

/faithrestored.

there will be 1 robot type per game, pretty much explained in all the snippets james has shown; like fighting weightclasses.

i can still see them going for certain combinations for team modes though. like 3 medium with 1 heavy and 1 light robot for a ctf mode, or whatever brand new team mode people can come up with

Really hope to see this project go through. We could finally have a new great FPS which is pretty rare nowadays.

funny how he only likes the rocket launcher but the alt fire for that is completely pointless.

wtf is that wing man bs

why does he keep saying "what ive created is..."? pretty sure he didn't create any of it & he's not a 1 man team

not heard/seen anything that makes it seem any better than the other indie games being made right now

He sometimes corrects himself with "I" != "we"

I think Reborn could be really unique by expanding on the pickups. More than just armor/health/weapons. The Robots could pick up robot mods and skills. You could have a mod in which increases your speed by 2% or so, or change your jump height. Like armor, you would have a max, but you gain a percentage on per pickup.

I like the skills, but I don't like the idea of not being able to use them a lot. Clearly they are fun (as shown by James himself using them nonstop). What I rather see is a pickup for the skill in which you have a time limit in which you can use it and players could fight for control over a certain skill.

game looks fine, what textures he talk about???

sure dota guys like to play barbie and dress up their toons in games but open alpha without all that wardrobe simulator stuff would be fine for everyone who just like to play geme +)

also, give bunnyhopping +)

That's about Campgrounds compatibility? ))))

i hope they let different robots fight each other in duel. it'll be like a fighting game.

Breaking news: you can't play Reborn without BST gaming mouse! )))

I don't mind all of that MMOsy shtick as long as it actually attracts players :-D

Yeah, I just want to aim at noobs

I would like to help out with the animation, i even contacted him once about it in a weak moment.

The Question is, would I want to be responsible for the animation when its doomed to be a whine fest.
I just can't picture this going well :)

Don't worry I'm sure there is a kick vote system during the multiplayer map beaking process xD

I don't get? ;(

Multiplayer game development yo! Somebody need to bring this to P0rt's attention.

ramp it up to a 5-7 member full time team development.
release the basic game with 2 game modes and 4 robots.
and take 10 euro for the game.
we could be playing reborn this year.

Don't believe his lies.

ROFL LMAO

Chimp In Cocaine Study Starts Lying To Friends

http://www.theonion.com/articles/chimp-in-coc...nds,17176/

Another little preview from Sunday morning: http://www.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/531789433?t=4h12m

amazing reborn progress:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orfFpxKVcxE#t=26

wow!

such progress
much wow

Nice house tho. Not bad for a bunch of gaming bums.

Yeah I was rock hard when he showed the kitchen and the bit at the top of the garden

so they are building reborn irl arena shooter? :P

It will be an arena shooter version of this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034032/

So has 2gd finally given up with life and moved permanently to Sverige?

I cant say i like the "skills" thingy with energy etc,dosent belong.
Thought i could trust 2gd :P

Edit : After a few more mins,its World of Warcraft 2.0

Not looking very good so far...
2GD tries to be creative but some things just dont work good in aerna fps...
Different robots with different physics...no thanks

we live in hope, minor /major physics changes are in many games already

I guess...
Reflex:
Hardcore gameplay.
Neat features (matchmakings, mapmakings, laderings)

Reborn:
Casualised gameplay.
Neat features.

What makes you say Reborn will be casualised?

I mean "less vq3 and more dota'ish".
Classes, skills, it's all "not pure", modern, not 1990 ;)

yeah its definitely not sticking to the old formula in exactly the same way and is introducing loads of new things. That doesnt make it casual though it makes it different.

It could totally end up being casual, there just hasnt been anything to indicate that yet.

I like that we have both reflex and reborn though. Reflex to expand upon the current formula, Reborn to try a bunch of brand new shit. Reflex will have lots of tried and true mechanics. Reborn will be more experimental.

If we only had reflex I would be craving something different, if we only had reborn I would be complaining that we dont need a new formula, just a development of the current one. This way I have both. I hope they both are good (reflex already is good)

This way I have both.

If everything will go well for both games!

Yep, fingers crossed.

Reflex vs Reborn is the Quake vs Unreal of 21st century.

Reborns colour scheme even seems to be based on blue. Reflex is red.

Someone could make a pretty tight Reflex vs Reborn image

I agree with this punk xD
Classess in a competitive arena based shooter is a fail from me, all players should have equality of the game and skill to be determined who is better.
But on the other hand, with this you can have a duel tourney more creativly for example 3 classes. First class only tourney, Second class only, Third class only, Mixed class tourney.

Let him make the game, we will decide.
For now, reflex is ahead of the game for my taste.

all players should have equality of the game and skill to be determined who is better.

With the way he is implementing classes, this is still the case. If classes have to face the same classes in duel then the players are on a completely equal footing and the sills will be determined by who is better.

Also pro players would end up being known for their best classes.

Its exactly the same as players having good maps, except they will also have good maps and good classes. If the final of a tourney (rapha v evil for example) is heavy classes on (insert map name) then people could analyse that rapha is really good at playing the heavy class but evil is really good at the map and its an interesting combination.

Adds another layer to the matchup over simply who is best at the map.

Same thing what I said and meant for different tourneys but more elaborate ;)

that works for ctf tho, weak weapons to the crazy physics robots strong weapons to the slower ones

I think that he presents some intriguing weapon and movement ideas. I like the reverse and double jumping energy skill ideas, the rocket launcher dip, the ricochet pulse (reminds me of the ut ripper but with less ricochet distance), the close range explosion and the implosion rocket. The cool thing is that if people don't like it they will be able to mod it and make it better.

http://promo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/reborn/?ref=en_na_fpc_day1

so this is the real reborn? LoL REBORN? well done 2gd

The GD Studio and Talawa Games announce development partnership for Reborn, a competitive FPS game.

http://www.reborn.gg/threads/330-The-GD-Studi...for-Reborn

So Reborn will be a mobile game?
http://talawagames.com/games

Better than nothing I guess.

brb getting my ipad

I didn't know the dota2 studio was still alive lol

+money

veiw into a stinking farty homo skag den.
no thanks.

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