<Anhjje> Can someone explain changing the already balanced 7-7-7 LG?
[19:26] <Anhjje> if you change LG, then change RL as well?
[19:26] <dm0> NERF NEW WEAPON
[19:26] <Anhjje> I wouldn't mind the change if anyone could come up with a reasonable explanation
[19:27] <Anhjje> So... why is it now 6-6-6? Was it doing too much dmg? according to who? What was the idea behind nerfing it?
[19:28] <Fragmaster> according to sponge or syncerror
[19:28] <Fragmaster> they didnt do any survey
[19:28] <Fragmaster> or asked anyone
[19:28] <Fragmaster> its like usual, they do what they like :>
[19:28] <Anhjje> So there's no real argument?
[19:29] <Fragmaster> i havent read about one
[19:29] <Anhjje> changed "just because"?
[19:29] <Anhjje> I'm just wondering what was the thought process.
[19:29] <Gangland> i believe to allow new people to learn the game, and give them something "higher level" to work towards
[19:29] <Anhjje> hmm... that LG thing. We should nerf it. ok, why? "just because"
[19:29] <Weirdlittleeye> do you assume there to be an optimal weapon config?
[19:29] <Anhjje> something's missing
[19:29] <Fragmaster> "because newbs will survive 0.5seks longer! lets do it!"
[19:30] <Fragmaster> what else could attract new players?
[19:30] <Anhjje> But why change it on classic
[19:30] <Fragmaster> "lets do damage plums!"
[19:30] <Anhjje> No I don't mind the casual ruleset
[19:30] <Anhjje> it's kinda ok I guess
[19:30] <Fragmaster> sounds like a pinky and the brain comic
[19:30] <Maxtt^work> its changed cos of +forward lg being op :)
[19:30] <dAw00d> <Anhjje> Can someone explain changing the already balanced 7-7-7 LG?
[19:30] <Anhjje> what I wonder is what was the reason to change it in the classic mode
[19:30] <dAw00d> lg too op
[19:30] <Fragmaster> op?
[19:30] <Fragmaster> says who?
[19:30] <Maxtt^work> weird
[19:30] <Anhjje> But is there an argument for it? Who said it's op?
[19:30] <Fragmaster> i havent read about a single balance complaint
[19:31] <Anhjje> I'm not complaining (yet), I'm just wondering why it was changed in CLASSIC, if you change LG then change RG as well?
[19:31] <dAw00d> u will see, that now its more balanced
[19:31] <dAw00d> u couldnt use any weapon against lg
[19:31] <dAw00d> except lg
[19:31] <Anhjje> How is it more balanced if you do less damage
[19:32] <Anhjje> Gangland: it was changed in CLASSIC ruleset
[19:32] <Maxtt^work> tbh against a nab the lg is the most op weapon :)
[19:32] <dAw00d> just try it before u judge it
[19:32] <Fragmaster> yea, but doing 120fps wont change that
[19:33] <Fragmaster> you shouldnt change the balance of the game in order for noobs not to get raped
[19:33] <Fragmaster> you need to fix the root
[19:33] <SmackGyver> they should have reduced the lg knock back instead of the dmg, it was the only weapon that was fun to rush at +back rl/rg cowards
[19:33] <Fragmaster> you need to make sure
[19:33] <Fragmaster> that noobs dont play pros
[19:33] <Fragmaster> that is the main issue
[19:33] <Fragmaster> therefore you need matchmaking
[19:33] <rustyshakleford> ololo
[19:33] <Fragmaster> which has been demand for like 3 years
[19:35] <Anhjje> I'm still thinking that nerfing LG should lead to reducing RL splash as well?
[19:35] <Anhjje> and limiting RG ammo?
[19:37] <dAw00d> Anhjje try it before u pass on these judgements :p
[19:38] <Anhjje> I don't think there's much to try, on paper LG has reduced dmg/secon so LG has become less effective.
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[19:40] <Anhjje> You don't think weapon damage has a huge impact on gameplay?
[19:40] <Fragmaster> and should be ranked
[19:40] <dAw00d> no not this one
[19:40] <dAw00d> as much as u guys are making it out to be
[19:40] <dAw00d> without playing it
[19:40] <pony> LG used to be 7-6-5
[19:40] <pony> and yes its a huge change
[19:41] <`muffin> it was 7-6-5 then they made it 7-7-7
[19:41] <pony> its fckin -15% to damage done
[19:41] <pony> seriously
[19:41] <pony> learn math ;<
[19:41] <pony> inb4 they point out 1/7 isnt 15%
[19:41] <pony> yeah go on :P
[19:42] <pony> 6 per cell vs 7 per cell
[19:42] <pony> = less knockback
[19:43] <pony> = less control over enemy movement = less accuracy
[19:43] <pony> you hit less AND hits do less damage
[19:44] <pony> i have bad aim and this update hinders me anyway
[19:45] <gangland> Strenx having a hard time with LG
[19:45] <pony> strenx will do the same
[19:45] <SmackGyver> ye just lost aerowalk, his home map
[19:45] <pony> its the average players that get nerfed
[19:45] <Anhjje> that's the thing
[19:46] <Anhjje> people with "normal" acc will have problems.
[19:46] <pony> people with crazy LG acc wont care
[19:46] <Weirdlittleeye> ..of course they do
[19:46] <pony> heck they will win even more LG vs LG fights now
[19:46] <Fragmaster> thing is, this change wont help noobs at all
[19:46] <pony> they wont get kicked out of locks by enemy damage as easily