Game will be done in approx 3 years?

sooner than Reborn =)

nice, looking forward to try it out!

Dash button => no thanks.

you can consider it as Crouch button which besides crouching has several other functionalities

Not even posted by h1ghlander

He'll be here asap ;D

Why use such an ancient engine? Isnt the new Unreal or Cryengine almost for free?

it is not exactly ancient. It is slowly but somewhat actively developing mostly by one guy.
also it already has all necessary competitive features, so it is much easier to make fully functional, ready to play even competitively alpha version then using other modern engines. renderer update can be done during gameplay polishing

Isnt the Warsow engine based on the q2 engine? Q2 was released in 1997. So this is not ancient?

It's been completely rehauled and does not resemble q2 at all in terms of engine.
Game logic is fairly similar last time i checked though.

Another example is to look at the source engine, it's derived off of the halflife engine which in turn was based off of qw and q2.

Applying your logic: Windows 8 is based on Windows NT. Windows NT was released in 1993. So Windows 8 is ancient?

How will it differ from Warsow gameplaywise?

Core Gameplay is gonna be somewhat close to warsow one with additional features like crouch sliding and different doublejumps. You probably know that there is a lot of whine in wsw community (well not much now since there is no community left) about bad content, bad gameplay/weapons balance and so on. In warxon gameplay will be adjusted based on community feedback during alpha/beta stage. Plus there will be new content, new items, new weapons, new powerups and so on (check out warxon.com/about for example). Also it is completely compatible with warsow maps among which there are some quite good and well suited for warxon. So if you are warsow player you will be able to play the maps which you like

Barely modifying a game that nobody plays. ESPORTS HERE YOU COME.

Warsow needs less stuff, not more.

for example, what you would remove from warsow?

Wall jumping, at least in that it gives vertical speed.

The wsw team has been trying for years to fix it, but it still is broken and always will be. Reason is wall jumping in a very fast paced game is a bad idea in first place. I think it could stay in the form of maintaining the horizontal momentum, but necessarily entirely removing it's vertical usage.

I know it sounds extreme, but remember they also removed the two ammo types. Those two were criticized many times in this site, and proved to be the correct decision.


edit: ok last super pro tip: I think the reason why all those quake clones failed (c'mon it's obvious they did) was that they weren't original. They all just copypasted features from other games, making a weird mash up and hoped for the best. Warsow in particular clearly is a cpma clone, which ended being clearly worse than the game it was based on.
What you want to do is something we haven't seen a million times already. For that you can be original on your own, or have inspiration on something that was original in first place -like tag ("the power of paint" game) with portal 2-, or in something we haven't seen in a while (pk-like teleporters, prey, quake4's grenades on jumppads, q2's king of the server, etc.).

In the end what you have to realize is this: firstly that quake and its clones are unpopular mostly for a gameplay reason, and secondly that the name "quake" doesn't sell on itself anymore. Just take the good bits as concepts, but not the whole games. The core quake game is not a hidden gem.
A great example of this is supraball. That practically is a UT2004 mod, one of those that had little to do with the core game (like onslaught), that was very much original, which we hadn't seen in 10 years and was beloved by the players that played it back in the day. Somehow that idea wasn't used in any other game, they did and now it's clear the only project among this community with any chances of becoming something relevant is supraball, whereas all the rest (reflex, etc. etc.) will be just some other quake clone played by 10 people, forgotten along with other dozens of similar projects. It goes to the point that I don't know if this is a mock thread to all those previous and current quake clones projects, or if it is a real one.

And please don't just entirely copypaste warsow and put it on a server browser or any other gimmick. Re-releasing something without any major improvements just doesn't work. What does is releasing a new game of a relevant license based on the first ones, or at least with a graphics overhaul and substantial improvements on all aspects.

walljumps were quite orignal no?

IMO you are overestimating influence of small gameplay elements on popularity of the game. Also it seems that when you are saying that quake clones failed you mean that they failed among ESR audience/quake veterans in the first place and you are analyzing reasons of it. It is obvious that they failed among quake veterans due to lack of originality but it is just a super tiny part of all gamers possibly interested in multiplayer FPS games most of whom never saw any of Quake clone. So IMO the reason why all of these quake clones failed among broader audience is because they just never tried to get one. There is simply no one proper game among all quake clones existed before, all of them just made for fun as a hobby, just to kill spare time, they never had a real purpose to become popular even though all of them stated it. The only exception is New Nexuiz but the game is so fucking terrible so there is no reason to consider its failure. So IMO to make a successful quake clone game is absolutely doable. All you have to do is to provide solid gameplay, comfortable to play environment, enjoyable and satisfying fights (it depends more on weapons, maps and gamemodes rather than particular features of gameplay), all modern competitive and community features, and spend substantial amount of time (and money) to actually build your community.
To estimate how different warxon from warsow in all small details you just have to wait for alpha release and try it yourself.
PS: I do have Prey-like portals and q4-like grenades =)

Those two are different topics, the detail that is wall jumping and the important matter that is not making yet another quake clone, but I chose to put both on the same reply.

i agree with you that walljumping and the speed is largely what make warsow 'not work' but i think their inability to 'fix' it is because the game is too much of a quake clone.

i think its possible to make a great fast paced game with high levels of mobility, even in the vertical - it simply requires you to design from the ground up with these things in mind.

You need a strong cost-benefit balance as a structure. Quake has high vertical mobility for example but a significant cost through rocket jumping.

i dont agree. theoretically you can even design a game where vertical movement is gonna be your primary movement. its not about warxon though

You can design it but will it be any good? Making vertical movement almost free reduces the meaning of position and hence reduces depth quite directly, you would need to add alternative sources of depth that aren't obviously impossible to add to a more 2D game.

well, i think its more than that. to a certain extent cpm suffers from the same 'issue' as warsow - though its not a big problem. due to high rates of closure, players often end up merging. cpm doesnt have a problem with it as players have no where near the same instantaneous agility as warsow. the very thing that allows players to get up in each other faces so easily is what stops them actually killing each other. what you end up with is a long-mid range meta that is very 'anti-warsow' in principle - you stand off with your EB/LG, playing very passive and with little mobility other than to extend or go defensive and close range engagements that involve getting point blank and spamming rockets or plasma.

I don't remember seeing that happen in CPM, the weapons were comparatively a bit deadlier than Warsow's so errors tended to end in deaths.

you don't remember rushing someone with rockets or something similar? of course it happens - its just in the nature of the game - fast moving, manoeuvrable targets in enclosed spaces are harder to intercept in time. i wasn't looking to diminish CPM; as i said its not really an issue because like you say, the weapons are deadlier and there isn't the instantaneous agility from dash meaning that once you are close, you will usually end the fight there.

lol

Ask someone who speaks good english to do the website writeup, you're trying to make a good impression here...

lold

have you tried militia? you might get gameplay ideas from there

With all these new arena shooters being made p0rt should really consider remaking militia into a standalone game.





















Kappa

Good luck I suppose. But I can't stand the cell shaded graphics. It looks exactly like warsow only with weapons and movement being slightly adjusted. And crouch sliding? Meh. Pass :>

What can this game offer that others can't? What makes it special?

it is made in russia

DAAAAA

Prepare for disappointment.

You've been ESR'd

I'll buy the game when you're finished though.

there's this game called quakeworld out there, it's still played and loved. copy that game entirely(weapons, movement, physics, etc)

add double jumps
balance the weapons(don't balance them too much tho --> see quakelive)
do not add a rail gun either

call your game qwakeworld 2.0

put it on stream and profit

nobody wants a warsow 2.0, but there are a few people who would like to see a quakeworld 2.0. nomsayan

gl

goes with the engine

the title just rolls off the tongue

I'm always down for new arena fps games. Looking forward to seeing more.

You've got heavy competition right now

Reborn
Reflex
Rekt

Warxow

I'm losing track here

egd

don't forget QL 2.0...

You might be interested in adding:

Telos
Nex
Doom 4
UT4
Freefall

and about 5 other crappier looking titles:

Chroma
Deftgrinders
Tesseract
Trigger Spree
Ultimate Arena

All of these including the 4 you mentioned are arena shooters in development (last I heard). Shits getting cray

lol took me a while to realize this wasn't a troll

my brother's name is in fact Warxon Willis


























:D

Warxon weapon update



ps. how do I embed videos

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGxoYMTk_wA]

thanks very much

Can anyone explain the point/function of that pink plasma gun that kinda scouts out the map? Seems very odd.

Yeah I have no idea. Its movement seemed random too which was weird.

Might have been a good idea for the dev to talk over the video and explain each weapon as he demonstrated them

it is like homing missile when enemy is closer than 500 units

So you have to activate it within 500 units of an opponent and it will follow them along the walls until it reaches them?

Or can you activate it very far away from them and it will explode when it is 500 units or less from them?

it will explode when it will hit enemy and you dont have to activate it.
Also once you are within 500 units of enemy's FBL projectile it's gonna be really hard to avoid it

Maybe as neeple said upload a video of it in action? So it goes along the walls until it's within 500u of an enemy, at which point it homes in and explodes? And how long does it stay around? can you escape them? I'm imagining a map full of these little fuckers...

Hopefully they are quite hard to get ammo for.

yeah, sure, but right now its gonna be the same quality

in qfusion you set weapons respawn delay in gametype scripts. FBL is the only weapon for which you can set its own respawn delay which is by default is 45 sec. so it works like small powerup. also its quite fun when its combined with quad =)
right now fbl projectiles lives for 12 sec

It could be quite interesting to use to control the map, kinda like a mobile prox mine...

and what does FBL stand for?

i like the snare drum gun

ultrono!

no matchmaking = gg

is this the new p0rt

I think it is. Who would rip off two dead games and have the nerve to name it WarsowXonotic? This goes beyond trolling and stupidity.

fuck me i hope so

i like the weaponsounds, gives way more dangeorous impression than the wsw ones. that not-gb design is a joke though to any1 who knows its origin.

GB model is just blank

FBL weapon in action

Thanks for making a video to explain it.

Is the weapon itself not incredibly over powered?

Is it possible to escape the ball and how available are they to players?

it is overpowered, that's the point of this weapon. it's not supposed to be on every map and as i said it spawns not like other weapons, only every 45 sec. So it's more like powerup

Escaping it is possible by hiding behind the wall otherwise even if you are moving very fast, projectile is gonna accelerate to get you. Acceleration itself though is not so high so it might be possible to fool it and get out of 500units radius of its visibility, I'm not sure

The weapon is inspired by Ball Lightning

Well in that case it sounds pretty cool.

I've been interested in the idea of a duel game where the item control is over powerups instead of health and armours.

does it ever run out of power? or continuously float around the walls until it hits someone?

if the latter then you need to change that to like a 15 second life span or something

it is 12 sec

appreciate the effort, but this already looks dead

doa

change the fucking name, how can you get hype with that name? c'mon, it's like you misspelled a word and used it as the title

Yeah I agree. Even if the gameplay turns out to be completely unique, everyone just thinks its warsow gameplay + xonotic assets right now.

Create your own game identity man

right now everyone is supposed to think that "its warsow gameplay + xonotic assets", just to better recognise what it is. Latter there will be little of xonotic assets and new name

for how long have you been creating this game ?

i dont like this LEGO graphics on this game.

Warxon = Warsow+Xonotic ? no thanks i dont need that

Where do I preorder?

Alpha is gonna be available soon for free. You can still donate

cool, where do i donate?

on website warxon.com

Whoa, this game is almost as good as Warsow.





... sad.

warxon, warxoff

huehuehue

Short demostration of portals

why do the characters in these dm games have to vocalize some lame grunt/sexing sound every time they jump? please stop this.

Ughhhhhhh WHY Ughhhhh Ughghhh ahghghgh?

Dead game incoming in:

3



2



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But it's not even out yet!!!

Yes, don't waste any more time.

Looks too much like Q4, so RIP there.

Aircontrol with a bit of Crouchsliding

"huh? huh? huh? hah?! huh? huh? hah?! huh?"

Winz won't be playing warxon :p

recently announced “Warxon” which I still doubt is legit as the idea behind it is even more stupid.

winz owns

Looks cool and fun imo, cant wait to try alpha

Play video.



Close eyes.

Sounds like a sea lion having sex.

We need quake servers and quake 3 to come back with the mods.

QL is tedious with the map rotation.

No one ever suggested and/or tried this before.

r u sure?

yes, very much

twitch based fps are dead.

FFA with bots on map Fuse

I know it's freedom of speech and all,. but esreality is very negative by and large.

Not really. But you know, Quake does that to people. Makes your skin thicker.

I joined esr before I knew what it was like. In the beginning I didn't see the abuse, the open hatred. In the early days I fought it, I tried to be a pillar of optimism amidst an otherwise overwhelming tide of negativity and doom-saying. I gritted my teeth and complimented people, I dished out [+]'s when I felt like it, I gave movies 10/10s. I just wanted to share my love of Quake with the community. But bit by bit, as slowly as the development of Reborn, yet as surely as the demise of Quake, the negativity crept in. It tugged at my mind, nagged at my soul. I battled it, by Cooller's railgun I tried! But dark and seductive, frightening and powerful, on came the thoughts. I found myself replacing friendly replies with sneering and mocking ones, optimistic ones with blunt and pessimistic ones. I began to laugh with the mob at the yet-innocent newcomers who, like I had once, tried so hard. My fingers tap at my keyboard automatically, spewing out cold and cutting comments where once I might have been warm and friendly. I'm compelled to point out stupidity when I see it, to laugh at the esr trolls, to cut down anyone who makes a frag-movie, to contribute to 1000+ comment threads berating the QL devs and pointing out the obvious mistakes they've made, to point out what I would do better, and most of all laugh at noobs with low elo! I've written this reply in a last-ditch attempt to save you from this horrendous ordeal. crunkus, be strong, be positive. Neglect to point out stupid comments, do not attempt to win rambling sub-thread arguments by reductio ad absurdum, feel just as free to voice appreciation as criticism. Do what I, and countless others, could not.

Yeah, that was all bullshit. esr's not really that bad, is it?

i applaud you for the effort but cpm movement didnt attract many peeps for warsow + its the same old graphics all over again. your target group is a fraction of the people here and new players will dodge this anyway because its so ugly.

modern engine + nice textures + vq3 movement without air controll + steam integration + good comunity features like ingame ladders, matchmaking and so on = winner
i know this cannot be done by 1 person. but i cant see anything else going anywhere