plus hypno plz :D

The infinite wall jumping is kinda cool. A little op but at least its fluid movement in a UT game.

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well :D

was more a reference to probably the best 4v4 CA player in europe, aka "ph" (german player) =)

his nick was originally hypo, then changed to phyo and finally ph :)

"The best 4v4 CA player"

Sounds like an oxymoron to me. I call bullshit on you and ph

Your failjoke doesn't even work.


Fail.

hmmm watched it

i'm a bit sceptical.

1st: infinite walljumps. Warsow tried it in the very first versions of the game. Was OP, devs nerfed it.

2nd: still the same UT dodge technic. Dash; stop; dash; stop; dash; stop. No fluid movements like strafe-jumping. Maybe the old hardcore UT fans will like it, but i doubt that the quake players will sacrifice strafe-jumping/bunny-hopping for this.

i'm a bit septical (c) hortless

sceptical

fucking typo :D

skeptical *

=)

Both spellings are correct

I know. I just think it looks better with the k.

Your mom looks better with the d.

funny thing is that in a language only a few people know K is the first letter of the word "dick" so both work, hehe

ok

feelin a little sepia today

One thing to keep in mind warsow vs this is that there is no huge speed. What you see there, is pretty much the extent of how fast players will move unless the base runspeed/dodgespeed is modified.

I am not a fan of heaps of wall jumps like either game, but you can't simply go "it did not work in wsw.. so it wont here either".

It might, simply because that is about the only movement mechanic the game has. You can't go 900ups then fly off walls. In addition the ut devs are not huge fans of air control - which puts it under the thumb even more.

2nd: still the same UT dodge technic. Dash; stop; dash; stop; dash; stop. No fluid movements like strafe-jumping.

If they fix the whole dodge/wait/dodge/wait/dodge/wait thing then I would be thrice as excited for UT4

I agree on the movement. The game is really nice with cool and interesting weapons and such but the movement have always been inferior to Quake. Making so many dashes looks and feels bad, they should just increase the movement speed and let you jump by hitting jump or make something different.

I hate UT movement. There's no fluidity to it.

this. my god how can you possibly put this movement in there again. it's so horrible. A pain to watch, and worse to play.

they will put it in again because the hardcore UT fans will whine if they dont.

Its a shame because it really is a bad movement system and nobody wants to change it because its been around so long.

Most UT players on the forums are convinced that UT dodging is what makes the game unique, forgetting that its also what makes the game boring, slow and jerky.

Seriously, it looked like clumpy garbage right off the bat.

it's always the same here... anything that is not quake live movement is shit. there are so many fps out there with quake like movement. why don't you just keep playing these unpopular games?
ut is a different game with different movement - deal with it.

i'm happy to see different people making new deathmatch games with different approaches

i played ut3 recently and im feeling ut3 is more fluid than this prototype :<

with Reflex i have boner

but with this is just... meh

cmon man, UT always had awesome weapons and shock rifle is the coolest gun ever

aggree, but dat movement ;<

will play it if it will be good enough with a lot of players ;p

I'd love to see a more fluid version of UT's movement. Definitely one of my gripes with 2k4. I like the dodging but how it was executed always felt weird.

Absolutely no idea how they could make it better though. I'm not looking for more strafejumping etc. played enough q3/cpm.

I loved UT2k4 but I played it again recently and man the movement really sucks after playing Quake for so long. hard to just sit there and go fast-slow-fast-slow-fast-slow

Walljumping isn't a bad thing, it depends then how the maps will be etc, the problem is the fluidity as many people said, and that's also what I don't really like about UT, once you're on the floor you're kind of "stuck", the transition hurts.

Respawn even did a better job in Titanfall (YES OMG UR KIDDING RIIIITE??) in my opinion, because they added bunny hop, the good thing is that you keep your momentum once you're getting speed, also if you pair it with walljumping/running which boosts your speed it's pretty cool

calling that clunky, floaty, sh*tty movement "pretty cool" is massively overselling it

The bunny hopping. Learn how to read please. And floaty because it's a freaking jetpack, clunky and shitty because well...


That's your opinion huehuehue, but that's not the point.

Why walljump if you have a jetpack? I mean...yeah it looks cool...but...jetpack, man!

In their logic you can't fly non stop with it it's mostly to boost your jumps!

haha! I guess the rocket fuel needs time to...regenerate? x)

Flight in QL makes you a sitting flying duck anyway, I guess it's for the best.

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blame it here :p

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...#post64950

https://forums.unrealengine.com/forumdisplay....Discussion

holy shit are they censoring "bunny hopping" on those forums?

You don't want to be close to a movement mechanic that would be fluent.

playboy bunny? :P

what the hell...

awesome :D

there we go, the sluggish ut movement. shit game stays shit.

Does the game come with sea sickness pills?

Always lol'd at the akwardness of UT's movement compared to the smoothness of Quake. Reborn feels smooth compared to this, that says it all.

disgusting

Yay

looks horrible.

clunky chunky laggy movement game.

Looks like shit that weights 2 tons.
I already can smell the game.

gotta admit, visually it looks really nice

Crysis is outstanding, visually is in his own league, but the rest didn't work out well

I've read comments of some UT die-hard fans you can be 100% sure that many of them dream about the next UT being like in the video, they love it.

It's amazing how this whole forum tries to shoot new UT in the knees just to make it as disabled as it possibly can :DDDD
Bunch of faggots, gl hf :DD:D:D:D:D:D::D:DDDD

i'm fine with ut movements, but i must admit that it will not gather big community :\

call me ignorant, but that looks pretty awful to me

ignorant.

it's bliss

its funny how he has fluid movement at the walls but whenever he hits the ground becomes super clunky
put jungle textures on the map and imagine an ape, with tiny legs that perform poorly while running but elegantly jumping from tree to tree with strong arms :D

on the one hand im happy that this aint all overexicted spacealien movement of cpma and warsow again but actually follows some sort of physic and gravity.. but then again i cannot see me playing any game that has no sort of proceeding movement system (atleast accelerating bunny hopping) but instead looks like im playing a drunken, one-legged person..

maybe someone likes this, but i would have prefered a little slowed down version of xonotics movement system which is both easy and fluid + walljumps

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...e-movement

"Don't mess ut and quake, ut have its perfect movement system. "

last comment.

:D :D: :D :D

Even COD4 Promod is more consistent movement wise than UT and the elitists won't give it a try, they won't even try new ideas because the ideas come from other communities, they act like UT is their baby so don't you dare to fuck up their game, I read comments on another board and that's how this shit is, if the game will fail, they will still play it and if you ask them why only 50 people play it they will give you the reasons, EXCEPTED THE MOVEMENTS.

Funny how they need explanation to why you should be able to gain speed while jumping (special boots and shits), when I play games I only care about what I can do and can't do, because it's a freaking game, I don't need realism, logics from real world, even simulations aren't 100% representative anyway.

I really enjoyed playing cod4 promod. It was awesome. And the movement for such a game was fun.

and thats why imo cod4 promod players could try Quake and stay there ;]

Agreed, cod4 promod movement was fun. That's where I learned to circle jump before I switched over to Quake.

I would imagine hardcore fans of other communities think the same about Quake.

im tired of modern super realistic shit.

I want very fkin unrealistic game, only in this way shooters can be much more awesome.

Of course they do!

Yeah lets make fighting games as realistic as possible too right? I mean the most popular fighting games like Street Fighter, Marvel, Mortal Kombat etc are known for being realistic right? A realistic fighting game would fail horribly cos it would be boring as hell.

Who got this retarded idea that games should be realistic, oh like all Nintendo games right? For some reason this stupid notion is only put forward in FPS.

So who cares that bunnyhopping and rocket jumping aren't realistic, I mean we are playing a damn GAME aren't we? which is supposed to be, you know, FUN ??! X_X

I wasn't talking about realism....

Oh well let's be devil's advocate, i see a lot of ppl here mentioning "speed this, speed that" asif they were 24/7 100% of the fkn time at 800 ups, rofl :) ....
For sure i will more easily understand ctfers about the "clunky movement feeling" but please.

Seeing zbot line: "they act like UT is their baby", pretty ironical from the Quake community (at least a big part) aka everything that is not quake 3 or a 95% look alike copy is TOTAL garbage :) ....Gooby plz.

While i can still understand the "lack of speed" for objective reasons for very speed oriented gamemodes (ctf /race and so on) i have a big problem in Quake live... the close combat moves, u feel like a paraplegic bunny only able to walk on the ground and bunny hoping with absolutely no aircontrol midair. You just feel like a sandbag thrown in the air with no possibility to do anything to correct your trajectory/avoid any midair projectile.

In close combat, u can perform everything u can do in quake (on the ground dodge +bunny hoping) if you wanna + quick dashes (dodges) + wall dodges and so on .
About that, being able to do exact same thing than in quake + complementary solutions to fight/avoid enemy shots i never see any quake superfanboyq3oricallda-bs say: "oh well, for sure ut feels clunky for high speed move for sure, but i reckon for close combat, there are more dynamic solutions, it's cool". Although it's basic truth.

So once again a lot of fanboyism and narrow minded action going on, period.

"they act like UT is their baby so don't you dare to fuck up their game" , still smiling at that tbh, it's like fkn hospital is mocking charity, lmao.

ps: before u go retardly apeshit at me without any kind of objectivity: i play quakelive, i like it, and i sincerly and objectively think UT should really inspire from quake on several aspects (mentioning it countless time on this UT forum even, just check some of my messages ;) . Though UT is extremely fun and awesome, so is quake, it's just different type of game providing different kind of fun, but lots of quakers are way too narrow minded to only envisage there are other games as fun as quake.

If you allow me the analogy, u guys sometimes look like Formula one fanboys saying "rofl Rally racing is so bullshit, u can't reach 300+ km/h, u guys run in the dirt + mud haha so shit, we so good, we so cool, you suck lol !!!1!"

Thanks god all quakers are NOT narrow minded q3 diehard guys. I will prefer to talk with those i think =) .

I aggree with you. And you also said that UT should inspire from Quake in several aspects.

And imo proper mix of UT and Quake with more of UT could be awesome. And really I love UT weapons, like shock. I dont like multi rocket launcher ;P

air control? so maybe cpma? :D

in Quake live... the close combat moves, u feel like a paraplegic bunny only able to walk on the ground and bunny hoping with absolutely no aircontrol midair

do you know what bunny-hopping is?

Seeing zbot line: "they act like UT is their baby", pretty ironical from the Quake community (at least a big part) aka everything that is not quake 3 or a 95% look alike copy is TOTAL garbage :) ....Gooby plz.

Quake community? I'm not even a former Quake player, I play it, but I'm from other games.

After trying all FPS games I've played I haven't refused listening and trying out interesting ideas other people can bring, and since you are French you probably know Nofrag, and if you do know them, you would see how much most users there are FPS hardcore players HOWEVER they wouldn't stay in one position and refuse to evolve to something different, this is my philosophy, I couldn't care less what people on ESR want, if I had to talk for one community it would be Nofrag, because I share what many people think there.

You are also quoting my lines as if I am preaching for everyone here, be careful about that, if you have to disagree with me then make sure it's clear it's about me only.

Also don't even talk about other elements of UT, what irritated me is the behavior of people regarding the bunny hopping, who gives a shit if it's total bullshit in the end? The point is the lack of will of UT fans to listen to different ideas, you are smiling when you read my sentence, but please do you even cringe when you read many posts from UT fanboys? Because I seriously do, refusing to try something new, yes many Quake players here are like this, and it's total cringe worthy, if you also read my posts sometimes you would see that I'm sarcastic when many Quake players on ESR talk about games or things they never tried and make a conclusion out of it, they also jump on a bandwagon many times.

Sigh.

Oh and thank god not all UT players are like you, at least the ones I know.

I was speaking more about the general behaviour of "quake fanboys and attacking" your reply more than yourself (its author).
I may have quoted you wrongly, that's possible yes, because i guess like you, i dont remember everyone nickname and content of their messages =) .
At the end, it doesnt matter much because a lot of quakers are actually q3only guys, not even me saying it, but some quakers themselves =) ... Also this very site is also known to be "quake or nothing". When u read some quakers opinion about anything else than quake3, it's kind of an allegory of bias judgments totally out of nowhere.
Though, if i got you wrong, my bad then =) .

Yes, i very much cringe at that, at your turn you have no clue of how i react to some UT retards. I actually mock some every day actually (and i'm not alone in UT'ers doing that) :/ ... So at your very turn, be also aware of what you are talking before doing so (basically reverting your argument to yourself here). Click on my nickname on UT forum and you will pretty much see what kind of person i am.

Here are some of the last post i made: https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...#post64182
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...#post61902

Also, not so sound like pretentious of anything but trust me, if you knew me a bit more, you would sincerely wish more UT players would be like me =) .

Ok, you are right about some points you've made, I am sorry I judged your reaction a bit too fast, it also made me rush into some conclusions, which I criticize a lot :)

I will try to follow your interventions in the UT community a bit more for sure.

No problem, i think i also have taken a bit wrongly your answer as an "example of a majority representing the ESR population" and i was wrong.
Lets let the quiproquo die here and lets move ahead, i sincerly think both community/franchise could learn from each other i just wished, certainly like you, some ppl would be less narrow minded and retarded sometimes, sadly, i dont think it will ever gonna change soon =( .

Peace =) .

;)

Your comparison doesn't hold up, since speed is only one factor in movement. Painkiller is faster than Quake, but that doesn't make its movement any better.

Rally is supposed to be fluent and skillful isn't it? I recon that's one of the reasons people would enjoy it.

UT movement is more like if the rally driver would miss curves, use the wrong gears, break at the wrong places, put in back gear and start over, aka its not fluid nor intuitive.

see zbot, that's actually what i'ma talking about:

"UT movement is more like if the rally driver would miss curves, use the wrong gears, break at the wrong places, put in back gear and start over, aka its not fluid nor intuitive."

That's just random, nothing more. The fact that's indeed a "stop and go" mechanic doesnt mean at all it's "not intuitive or fluid", it's just different of what you're used to/prefer.
Where i will easily reckon quake tend to be more fluid on a general matter, it has also it's counterpart in another aspect.

Lets talk about curves yes, where in quake u just can't change drastically direction without also drastically loses speed and be dragged in the direction of the movement with inertia. One could compare that with a car with shit brakes and bad direction handling and that it would induce predictable trajectory and easy shooting-spot prediction.

Not seeing you talking about all the other movements possibilities UT gives you while in a fight in addition of the quake ones, nor the fact that while being midair you're like a sandbag on rails without any possibilities of changing direction.

You're always hitting the bad things on other games (sometimes rightfully so, i would even go your way for some) though u seem to also not being able to see the good points this mechanic (here the UT movement style) can offer you and that is an interesting concept.

I play quake and UT for different styles of fun, the fact i prefer UT for this aspect and quake for this aspect, doesnt make me say one is shit or the other, or just because i dont like feeling like a sandbag in a mudpool in close combat in quake that this "movement mechanic is dull". I just appreciate what both game as to offer and trying to make up with what i dislike or what i would like to be better in each franchise...

Your point is mute. If you are up in the air, open for easy rails, that means you made earlier mistakes that got you in that position. Oftentimes even pro players will miss those rails though, since you might have a fraction of a second to hit it

My point is mute? Sorry to say so but yours is as much if not more.
It doesnt change the fact of the drastic speed loss at lets say 90° turns (not even mentioning bigger angles). You 're not, again, giving your opinions on all the other dynamic options/alternatives UT offers regarding Quake ones.

You also perfectly know that the fact you did a mistake or not to bring you in a bad situation is not a valid answer.
You could say lets set rail dmg to 150 instead of 80: wtf its way too much? Learn to dodge, u brought yourself in that wrong spot or could not dodge it, your fault.
You still can't lift a finger to, i dont know, avoid a projectile coming while midair or to avoid a collision from a flagcarrier coming at high speed, of god knows what.

I dont think I can convince you of how terrible this movement looks. There will always be small groups of ppl that are into horrible stuff, such as child pornography (not saying UT is like child pornography, just an example).

So we will let the failure of previous UT titles speak for itself. Q3/QL is the game ppl still play 15 years after release, despite id softwares constant failings and horrible business decisions in the last 15 years.

And i can't convince you of how terribly biased you can be on some points ;) .
You still after 3 times, insist on the bad point and not answering what i myself point out being good in UT and think is quite embarassing/ could be worked on in Quake.Np. Sry for the look alike "insult", but sry mate you' are jamerio'ing =( .

There will always be small groups of ppl that can't see further than the end of their nose and think that "because they dont like/understand, it's shit or ... "horrible"".

Failure of previous UT, ahhhhhhhhh you SURELY know how much Epicgames sold UT games for each iterations and you are also able to compare it with all the Quake iteration sells, ofc you have both the official numbers of how many games were sold, im not doubting that at all any seconds.

We could compare the population of all the UT iterations and all the quake iterations, i'm also sure you know the precise numbers and are able to provide them to back up what you seem to NOT PULL OUT OF YOUr A55 at all, nope.

Watch me say "I told you so" when the new UT fails to build a competitive community, like countless arena fps and other fps before, because they don't understand what is good movement and weapons programming. As I said, there will always be a minority that are into "freaky shit"

Give it up, Lw)f. :D

The problem with 99,99% of Quakers is that the only thing they will accept is Quake - and nothing but Quake.
Any game that is not the EXACT same as Quake is not worth playing.
And if the game in question happens to be a 'threat' to Quake, it must be put down, humiliated, ridiculed and viciously attacked as brutally as absolutely possible.

Well, we won't miss you Quakers in the upcoming UT.
The Quake community is so tiny, it doesn't make any difference whether they decide to play the new UT or not.
Let them fester in their own elitism until the Quake community dies out.

the problem of UT fans is that that they will accept only UT - and nothing but UT.

UT community is even smaller.

you need about UT+Quake community multiply by 10...
to have good playerbase...

both are minorities, the main thing is to attract casuals and keep them to he game.

I consider myself an UTer.
I also play Quake. I accept Quake.
Certain things from Quake could be implemented into UT fairly well.

Most people voicing their opinion on UT in this thread are quakers that barely have played UT. It clearly shows, reading their comments.

Both communities have their sins.

I dont wanna make UT quakish.
I would like to inspire from Quake a bit to make somethings in UT better.

And what's q3/ql in your example? A car that can only go round corners in 1st gear while painkiller and all the other games with aircontrol are the racing cars built for speed.

Painkiller? you are joking right? to my knowledge the only person that consider PK a legit game is Fatal1ty

What's the matter, your metaphor not working for ya anymore?

It is working, it's just that I can never convince you UT fanboys that the movement and weapons are deeply flawed, and the reason UT failed as a competitive title and esport.

No, my friend, I'm on the same page as you, UT movement is shit. You're not on the same page with me that q3/ql movement is only slightly less shit.

UT movement is still a lot better than Titanfall and such horrid titles. What would you consider a FPS with good movement then?

Anything that builds on aircontrol, not exclusively but for an fps to have flow it must have a mechanic for maintaining momentum, not just gaining and destroying it.

After reviewing some old UT videos I dont think movement look THAT bad compared to games like Titanfail and Call of Dookie. however, the weapons look way too gimmicky

But then you look down on this



why?

something about Painkiller just feels wrong. The maps are muddy and ugly. The weapons are strange and hitbox weird. the movement is too fast and jittery

So you think that most FPS movement mechanics are shit, and the exception is Q3/QL.

Then why are you even here anyway?
The ideal shit for you is Q3/QL and nothing else can be on par, at least as good/interesting or "Oh blasphemy" better.

Why are you even here?

Your presence doesn't make any sense, because you won't come here to discuss about new possibilities you're just here to trash talk and bring your negativity.

Nothing is going to progress with your mentality, so again, why are you even here?

Oh yes, your only concern is to vomit here like many people, keep going then.

I just feel like sometimes developers are afraid or something to use Quake-like mechanics in their game, cos they're afraid they will be percieved as a ripoff or something, but sometimes you should use what works best, thats all

Have you played titanfall? The movement does feel smooth.

Have you played cods? The movement feels exactly like quake3 does, 100%.

Have you played painkiller? Movement doesn't get much smoother and with more freedom than that in a 'main' game (this so cpm doesn't count), which is more so than quake3.

'Quake mechanics' are used to this day in games, but changed in ways that improve them for accessibility. That you haven't bothered to try games since quake3 and that most nowadays don't follow it 100% doesn't mean they are 'bad', just like strafe jumping (moving head left and right while constantly jumping to gain speed) isn't inherently 'good'.

If anything a problem would be if games were all equal, or if most players stayed in the same forever and think everything that isn't what they do is worse or is 'killing' it.

edit: and btw UT-like movement is not 'bad' but different. The thing is you are not comprehending its appeal, which is that every single time you move you are doing trickjumping. You know like when jumping around in ztn nailing the wall clippings for the first time, that's how UT feels every match. Maps are built around those constant tricks as well. Some might not prefer that way, but doesn't mean it is bad. Also if there's something that the UT series does right are the weapons, all of which are awesome and combo within each other, so I don't know if you played any of those games you are so strongly opinionated about really.

That was beautiful. I miss PK's movement :(

Aww man I loved it too. The bad thing about it is the actual engine/game though. Damn buggy, glitchy and fucked up. Also initial ramp up to cruising speed is too slow I felt.
Put it into a stable CPMA-like engine, make the first jump like a decent circle jump speed wise, have cornercutting, ledgegrabbing, rampjumps, doublejumps, no instant stop when hurt, non-broken rocketjumps, etc.
Make cruising speed somwhere between 800-1000ups, being able to pass that by rocketjumping, but having it decay back.
Daym I'd LOVE that :3

Obviously it removes strafe jumping skills, but makes learning the movement much easier. And there's still a learning curve to be able to maintain top speed at all times, do all them tricks etc.

(and weapon design/balance in PK was also fucked up)

ESR doesn't like it SHOCKER!

- This is in early alpha stage. Those are just UT3 place holders for weapons and sound. Core movement parameters and options are still being discussed.

- Other methods of covering large distances will be discussed and tested at a later stage.

- UT's movement will never be Quake-like. There will be several other games to be released with strafing/bunnyhopping when this is finished, let UT be what it is.

Makes me wonder why they uploaded that garbage Video. Much fuss about nothing.

Open community development.

Testing done by somebody who actually knows how to move, therefore better feedback.

when did you become a dick ?

Just generally frustrated about games sometimes.

me too, but I try not to say balant statements like i'm reading lately from you (which seems kinda weird to me), try to be more positive about these new fps projects, after all you're a good mapper and im sure u'll find room inside any of the titles; i might be wrong but i guess u're kind of involved with reborn which puts you in a poor position to criticize the beginning of a new work from epic games, they been in the industry for quite long and there are plenty of games running unreal engine, that ain't chicken feed.

Just lurk and let the people discuss about them: that's always going to be constructive somehow, this new trend of showing alpha videos are simply the proof to the public that they are not vaporware. Don't downgrade yourself to the average esr troll status because in my eyes you're more than a mere gamer.

I'm not actively involved in reborn's game design. I'm just an individual with an opinion which I already greatly suppress in order to not get involved in discussions or offend someone.

- UT's movement will never be Quake-like. There will be several other games to be released with strafing/bunnyhopping when this is finished, let UT be what it is.

So you already know what UT movement will be like then? You're saying "Let UT be what it is"... What is UT then? Is it UT, UT 2004, UT3?

Define UT if you claim that UT will be what it is, I'm curious to know that.

So less than 1 month ago they announce it and they already have a pre-alpha demo? Good pace.

Only announce when you got something to show.

Looks like epic has this point clear ;)

movement is dogsh*t. every fkin arena fps except Quake has this clunky movement. don't try to fix what aint broken and dont try to reinvent the wheel noobs! no wonder UT was a flop in esports

Infinite wall jumps looks like it will give the game much more fluidity. Have never played an ut game, but Im definitely gona give this a try.

On forum they don't like the idea of infinite wall jumps because it could be fun. Seriosuly.

it looks very bad if you compare it to floor movement...

What looks bad and compare with what? :D

hmm... fuck it! ;d

movement on the floor looks so fkin bad, even worse when wall movement is more fluid than floor one LOL :D

still everything looks disgusting :D

Yeah the speed on floor is... there is no speed what so ever.
I don't know, maybe if ut doesn't like strafe jumping, air control, wall jumping, double jumping it would be okay to make really simple movement and just add speed.
Just speed ; _ ;

one guy on UT forums had good idea to make it smoother:

"Smoothing ut movement is easy:
- Let player queue their next dodge while in the air, thus removing the stop-start aspect that is due to the run speed.
- Let the player keep the speed gained from the dodge for the 2-3 steps between dodges. They have momentum, but not in a quake-y way. Just enough so the steps between dodges are faster.
- If you want to get stupid, make dodge not move faster than run speed. This would result in either floaty dodges or fast movement?

The jerkyness stems from dodge/regular movement speed differentials.

Done."

and second post:
"Just to clarify - those are three separate examples of how one could make movement smoother. I guess you could implement all three but only one should be "needed" to make the game smoother.

All three have issues that would need to be worked through but I feel that smoothing out this aspect of movement* is an important step to getting more players. I haven't really been following the movement threads because they are very flamey but had to drop my 2c in this one.

*as opposed to other aspects that are being tackled with mantling - something I would not consider needed really. "

Sounds reasonable. Btw is the new ut gonna be wide open, Imma riding mah tank or more arena based?

ye, it sucks.

really i saw threads like:
- add sprint
- add killstreaks
- add class and perks
- roleplaying gamemode (lol)

and the main thing.

many people still talking that Matchmaking is bad...

At the end of the day it will be ut... sadly : )))))))

@pacman: yes surely theres gonna be vehicles. From my point of View, it's a wonderful thing tbh.
Let me explain why.

Firstly, it's not vehicle gametypes only, nobody put a knife on your throat to play those. You dont wanna play them, just dont.

Secondly, it's a wonderful bridge for newbies. New guys coming from whatever games, can learn the basics of UT gameplay and gather some fragpower at their own rhythm. They can still finish 10/50 k/d ratio and still be useful. It's valuing their role in the game even if they arent some frag monster and it greatly helps them keep motivated and stay in the game while they learn a bit more in depth the demanding gameplay/mechanics.
It's an ersatz of ctf. Non frag-oriented gameode.
Thirdly, while they are starting to get some fragpowers, if they decide so, they can move on to tdm/duel (and then most of the time, they realize afterwards vehicles gamemodes are dull somehow.

I used to play a lot of vehicles when i started, so i know what i'm talking about, the "better" i became, the more i started to hate vehicles, to finally play 50/50 vehicles/tdm then 33/33/33 vehicles/tdm/duel to fastly after totally abandon vehicles gamemode and hating at them even. Not to brag too much but several ppl could confirm youthat i reached a more than decent level in tdm/duel in UT and not "noob" ppl.

So, despite hating vehicles gametypes now, i mean sincerly i find this boring...i OBJECTIVELY hope at least sth like ut3 warfare or ut2k4 onslaught will be present at day one for the new UT to allow newbies to jump in easily and possibly move on to the "real thing" afterward.

One thing i really notice now, it's how some of you guys focus on the "not so bright points of ut" and rightfully so sometimes, i'm not questioning that, and totally pass through all the good things or how this or this thing can actually be a good thing if you think more than 5 secs about it =( .... It's sometimes quite "facepalming material" =( .

For me vehicles are ok, more = better. BUT.
even that im not very interested in it.

If you have money and you want to make really AAA game.

But if you want a game done by community, you need to focus on core gameplay and nothing more.

Also it splits community.

Well u focus too much on retarded topics mate, really... =( .
They are some quite interesting topics as far as i can judge, just point those ones instead of pointing out the retarded one.

It's like i would reduce ESR whole topic panel to cmss and zhu threads

"Really i saw threads like:

-cmss to quakecon
-countless stupid zhu's non senses topics
- Wales guys fuc*s sheeps on a daily basis, sry jamjam

Lol esr is random...."

Nah. Forget those indeed non sensical shit and provide interesting topics to, possibly, make some non biased quakers participate to the debate and help.

ye some newbies do a bit of noise with killstreaks, bah who cares? Lets talk more about what matters a constructive way instead :p ?

I know, but don't know how it can make influance on a game.

I dont really care about these threads. I only mentioned it because of pacman.

The only thing imo very bad is that hate for matchmaking. I can't understand it.

I asked here to invite pro quakers to discuss:
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...ve-players


my posts:
https://forums.unrealengine.com/member.php?7586-H1ghlander

my threads:
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...ther-games
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...e-movement
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...e-features

awesome thread by memento mori https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...with-Quake

also somebody from ut/esr forums will put there some good articles/thoughts soon.

Nobody replied to your post clearly!! NOBODY!!

So I will ask again because I am very interested, is it in the projects to make the new UT more open?

From my past experience the maps on UT were actually big, but even larger maps would be sick D:

Open in which terms? Size?

Tbh in UT you got every type of maps, u got Penetrated (that plays very very much like aerowalk) to huuuuuge ass warfare maps with vehicles (like Dusk or Serenity) .

The only way "too big ass" on foot maps were in ut2k4 like goliath for example....

Imo in ut3 the maps are decently sized, but a tendency to be too...small.... :x .

I hope that somebody will make 'new quake' on Unreal Engine 4 ;)

Project Nex should change unity to ue4 ;]

OK, im ok with UT beeing UT . But atleast get that running speed up. They can jump far and on walls, but they cant run ? If the running speed was much faster i would think this could be an excellent option to movement, but as it is now, horrible .

This thread is pretty funny I must say.

You need to laugh at least once everyday :D

Cmon its COOL !
I think Epic will make new UT faster then Reflex and Reborn came out and it will looks better.

Open Tournament Alpha
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...mp;p=27326

I guess good one to try UE4 engine?

well h1ighlander is not really making a case for "us" quakers on those boards.
As much as I love quake or whatever, I'd be embarrassed to post on those boards and letting anyone know I've ever heard of quake.

because... I'm not really a quaker.

MUHAHEHHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEH
(evil laugh)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EfhAFA2yFE

AND HERE I COME WITH THE CHEESY PART

WAIT... WHAT

DON'T BECOME A QUAKER HIGHLANDER, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!

='''(

why not?
is something like dark side of the force... ?


resistance is futile :d

you quake homos aint got the imagination to see how good this can be

infinite wall jumps!

what you're seeing :
some chunky walking movement

what you should be seeing:
CROUCHING
TIGER
HIDDEN
FLAK CANNON

i wanted to see lauke vs gitzzz again some day...

You know what, i think i will keep on trying to help and bring some quake amazing features to the new UT on this forum as much as i can (i hope to not be considered an annoyance by admins because i underline quake mechanics sometimes too much in my examples :D , but always with tact i think! ) .
Then, when the game gonna be released and we will see how it will turn out, i will try my best to raise "fund" with the help of known players i know kinda well and we will do our "own kind of CPM/utcomp" with as much Competitive features as we think are necessary and as much as we can implement. I already have several good friends that are very good coders, to my hopes are decent for that.


I think Epic are not too much into delusion about nowadays sad state of "new gamers". I think this UT will be very popular for newbies, and it's somehow a good thing, i just hope the gameplay will be subtle enough to reward everyone ala Street Fighter:

New guys can come at day one and mash buttons and have fun together but all the highskill guys will still rape them nonetheless.
It's, i hope, the direction in term of skill this UT will go. A kind of accessible, yet skill rewarding Street Fighter Learning curve.

zbot: are you on irc somewhere?

thats why every arena shooter needs matchmating with rating system, ELO based or smth. At least for duel game mode.

competitive MM
casuel MM
unranked MM

but. UTfans seems to be anti-matchmaking guys.

Dunno why you say that ut guys are against MM, not like i saw every topic but i saw a lot of ppl for matchmaking and indeed some against.
The way u always say that, like 100% of the "UTFANS" are against it. No, simply no, clearly not, and if you consider few cod guys or some utfanboys only to resume the whole UT community... well i told you, it's like i would resume the whole "ESR" community to the countless and senseless CMSS and zhu's thread + all the "hey i cheatd but i iz a gud guy nowz, unban plox, ktyty" .
They are the ones making the more noise, still they arent representative of the qulity of topics some ppl can bring on the table :/ .
Dont amalgam too much really, espcially here, u will only make the UT hate bigger, it's big enough tbh ....

generally speaking...
because these people told to me that they are from ut community...


dunno, maybe somebody understand matchmaking as:
- 'instant match' like 'quick join'to server only
- MM like iw.net from COD, which actually sucks dick
- no dedicated servers and no server browser

etc.

Have epic said if they will include matchmaking and ranks or not?

Is it just the fans who are against it or epic themselves? I havent been following the forums for a while now.

me neither, i dont really know, i try to voice my opinion on it as much as i can (to include it) with a constructive model (see few messages below for the related post) and several ppl are all up for that but i dunno on what extent Epicgames is "inspiring" from the community nor their real plan about it =( .

The 2 things that will get me to play the new UT game for more than a month would be

1. better movement

2. proper matchmaking and ranking features

Either one would be great, both would be excellent. But since I dont see them shaking up UT movement very much I really hope they at least implement good matchmaking.

Its a multiplayer game in 2014 for christs sake. Give us MM and a server browser

Well from an UTer point of view, the movement (from what i'm aware of at least) is going in the right direction tbh =) .
The ranking features it was "nicely introduced" in ut3 with sthg similar to quakelive:

-How much you killed ppl with this or that weapon (both prime/secondary) and their ratio
-how much killing sprees/rampage/dominating/...
-how much dble kill etc
-Extended vehicles stats
-Some particular achievements (they dont unlock anything it's just for the sake of saying "i did it")
-A lot of achievements are only viewable ingame
-An ersatz of Elo system....

An ersatz...., why? because it would have been relevant to have one single elo count for each gametype but those noobs merged it for every main gametypes -.-' .
So ye, a warfare newbie that would kill you with his tank would drastically get elo and you, ofc vice versa, even though in a 15min duel you would rape him 50-0 with 25hs ...

Match making i really agree with you, i hope they gonna push it that way (a decent MM system).

I'm a bit worried atm they may listen too much to newbies as they are louder and there are more to speak than experienced players, but oh well, best solution i can envisage is my #149 comment. :p

So what is movement direction?

for me many UT releases have different movement, so which than?

lol, to have one main elo for all game types is so stupid :P
i just need MM and ELO rating for duels, nothing more ;p

Alittle very recent UT3 fragmovie to help waiting for the new UT =) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MIajnYUPt4&hd=1

Nice one!

they talking about sprint in UT wtf?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pysgaHRh80
Design by Committee

loooooooooool that's so it (in a way) :D ...
Have a sincere plus mon ami :D !

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.ph...ggest-fear ;)