tl;dr

German politics

Yeah, they all are faggots except ani and 1 percent of winz

That much!

1% too much imo! ;p

and mzk

lol ctf

#tdmpickup

he is right, i hope mute comments this thread so i can embrace him with plusses and hugs

stupid enough to try and have a meaningful conversation with mute, whines about it on ESR.

you should've known better.

there is indeed no reasoning with the pathetic ones that call themselves admins.

I'm not quite sure what exodus is actually trying here.
I had a conversation with him last night and I was trying to be as helpful as possible.
But for some reason, exodus isn't able to be polite and calm or even to hold a normal conversation.

Feel free to read the log: http://xurv.org/files/30.Mon.%5Bexodus%5D.log

I was really considering an unban. But since exodus isn't the smartest guy, that case is closed.

Best regards,
smove

It's nice to see your double standards are still in place, with the words coming out of your "friend" you sure are able to set a great example. Then again you never showed how to do that did you.

just need to make this clear,

i was never permabanned on the pickup, i was just banned every other day.

as far as makie goes, he's still perm'd. also, conan was never permabanned as well.

since you're so happy to post logs, http://pastebin.ca/2460302
here's the reason i get banned, being falsely accused of "bashing" newcomers. Of course a normal reaction to being falsely accused is enough reason to get banned.

Your double standards have no boundries.

Hey, making a quick rare post! very likely my last on this topic!

I really didn't feel that saying "exodus , we're trying to make the channel more welcoming for newcomers :p no bashing pls" was rude at all. It was mainly in reply to:

[12:05] <[eXodus]> [23:31] just like the previous times
[12:05] <[eXodus]> [23:31] i get the flag over
[12:05] <[eXodus]> [23:31] 0 support

During that period especially we were trying to make a big push to attract newer friendly quakers from publics and make the channel sufficiently pleasant for them to actually want to stick around, as unfortunately and as we all know, quakelive CTF has a massive problem with its image due to a small minority who think its funny/awesome to call newer quakers retards/disabled/etc.

So literally any time i saw anyone say anything along the lines of "I had no support, shit teammates, blah blah", i was trying to just steer it away from that topic and onto something more positive, thats all. I was doing it absolutely constantly during this period.

At the time of this log you had actually only just been unbanned and were pretty much on "trial" to see how it worked out. Ironically, it was mute who actually unbanned you but he has clearly lost patience with you since (based on his comment at the top of this thread).

This is all kinda old news now though as i said to you! I had totally forgotten about it. Lets not forget the most important thing... ! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

So literally any time i saw anyone say anything along the lines of "I had no support, shit teammates, blah blah", i was trying to just steer it away from that topic and onto something more positive, thats all. I was doing it absolutely constantly during this period.

Please explain to me where i'm saying anything bad about my teammates, i'm explaining to them what mistakes someone made, is that bashing? Also, where am i calling anyone disabled/retarded or whatever, well except for you after your ignorant and insulting comment about me bashing newcomers which still you have not explained.

Edit: Oh and since when is Cenobit a newcomer, he's only played the game for about 10 years.

It never occured to you, ctfpickup admins, that the problem with ctfpickup beeing so empty and unattractive is because of the admins themselves ?

It should have. Because I suspect you're getting nowhere in terms of pickups going and have to face an ever decreasing playerbase as opposed to tdmpickup. And all that despite working so hard on getting these 'trolls', banned such as makie, esdf, conan, exodus, etc.

I have played one pickup on friday night and that was the first pickup I had played for months and I hadn't joined this chan in months to that point. When you know that ctf is my home-gametype it sounds pretty weird innit ?

Your admins politics have been ruining the ctf scene for years now. Period. Players like makie, conan, exodus, etc. have been the only ones sustaining the ctf scene when quake 3 was dead and what do these quakelive newbies do ? They literally shit on these players that kept quake ctf alive.

Screw them and screw ctfpickup.

But that's exactly what we did on #tdmpickup. There was strong accent on moderation and we've served lots of temp-bans for people who can't stand playing with newbs (and even 2 perm-bans which are currently in place) or just like insulting people randomly.

CTF attracts more people (it's also active on publics whereas there are virtually no TDM publics and we have problems with recruiting new players) so you can get lots of players if you only make the place comfy for them.

I guess we need to ask ourselves what do we expect from a pickup channel. I want to provide replacement for publics, get lots of players who build friendships and hopefully teams will form. So far it's not really working - people are happy with pickups and TDM OC won't even have div 2 this season :)

You'd prefer to have fewer games but with your old friends - that's also fine. But I don't see any reason for them to bash noobs or in any other way make the place unpleasant to be in.

This is especially true in the TDM land where we provide the "skilled" pickup choice (and it's low popularity only reinforces me in protecting the non-skilled as the only choice to keep activity on good levels). Here you have no excuse for bashing noobs. You don't want to play with them - !a skilled and call your friends.

blabla you banned Nined for months you dipshit

just because you're bad & new doesnt mean disruptive behavior will be tolerated

If saying:

i get no support is a permban.

http://imgur.com/K061Kg0

I got another permban for you.

ye like Hayez is a new player - he's a q3 oldschool legend !

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I never had a problem on ctfpickup or playquake.

!a skilled choise has been asked for about 2 years.

Admins of the pickup are taken some things way to personal on some players and are trollin even more than the actuall players. gohann for example. Yes his ban was reasonable but his way back to being unbanned wasent taken seriously. Everyone could see that he behaved well in tdmpickup (and could if he wanted to). And giving him rules and a chance should been done earlier.
Same thing should go with Makie.

Back to exodus topic. "bashing newcomers". Few friends of mine were playing tdmpickup at the time and wanted to try ctfpickup. The players got totaly bashed with names like "tdm scrub" "noob", i told q50 to keep an eye on this. But none ever got banned and in the end, the players stopped playing there.

I havent seen spenzer being banned once for having bad attitude against new comers and other players, like myself. Spamming me egofuck and being a complete idiot against players without binds.
And this were also 1 of the reason my friends left ctfpickup because spenzer and among others got mad with them not having binds.

I have tryed to help out alot and only the moving part to other channel was taken into consideration.
Active pickup players should be admins, not someone that stops playing ctf. Dosent make sense as its a ctf channel. Nothing personal ofcourse.

cool story bro, needs more dragons.

chase more tdm shit

lol @ blubje

maybe we should make a new pickup channel.

too bad that failed like 20 times so far.

for me pickups are about picking up your friends and playing. ever since most of my friends and i got heavily moderated i stopped playing (~cca Jan 2013). well, not mainly because of that, but because of my real life wishes to finish the uni as fast as i can, but it just happened to occur at the same time. later on when i got some free time and did !who to check the topic, i found no one familiar or interesting/fun enough to play with, so i just avoid the channel.

these days even if i play something i prefer the occasional ctf or ca pub game to pickup. games of similar quality, just can quit whenever the fuck i want to without getting banned. if i add for pickup it's mostly cause hanti & me = undefeated p1 def.

edit: oh, and i kind of agree with demon. i don't think it helps for the newcomers to see admins act & react more childish than the players they're supposed to moderate.

ctf community is just too rotten for anything good to happen to it.

The US pickup channel has a simular problem.
I always saw pickups as more organized public games, simular to what Lam described. It is a common phenomen that ctf players prefer playing with the people they know. I don't blame you for this attitude or want to say that it is wrong but I don't think this is what #ctfpickup is trying to be.

as far as i can see, whenever i log on to quake there's a shitload of people on pubs... most of the time at least 2-3 servers are full, like 16/16 full. no idea why those people don't go for pickup.

Exactly, especially all those spectators sitting there wasting their lives away.

Bring back 5v5 CTF FFS!!!!!
Public CTF is alive because its mainly 5v5.
If a less skilled player join a 4v4 game, that game will end 8-0 because its basically 4v3. A 5v4 game will always end with a closer score and will be funnier/more attractive.
Also, most of the maps are big and more suitable for 5v5.
Since that 4v4 change ive seen more people quitting than newcomers.

Q3 CTF was alive with cups running when everything else was pretty dead, I dont understand why is dead now. Well i do, its because 4v4 is TDM with 2 flags.

Kinda agree with this.

Thats the main reason i don't play pick up games,ctf is my favourite gametype and im a decent player but ctf community is shit :(