1st

Drop da face(y)

WTF? :D

You find it funny? Looks like it was hit by a vehicle.

I don't think so

No this is Cypher's upset.

Hope Cypher signs up.

EDIT: And Spartie!

Av3k comeback would make me cry tears of heppy

I'm sorry but I don't think keeping ins as a regular is a very good idea. I realize it probably saves you a fair bit of money but you really shouldn't compromise on what has made you what you are. from what I've seen the viewing numbers have also gone downhill lately and I'm afraid that's not only because of the summer.

Ouch. I don't mind him. :/

Ins is okay, but I have to say that other casters can spice things up a lot and have the potential to make the viewing experience even better. Why not invite calipt for example? When he was co-commentating, this was a real blast.

see I don't dislike ins or anything, I'm sure he's a good guy. It's just that he's not good enough of a caster to justify having him there all the time. While the other guest commentators weren't always great either it was at least an incentive for me to tune in and kept things fresh. That aspect is particularly important with the abundance of online duel cups going on right now. also I think he goes a lot better with zoot than he does with ddk.

Well, agreed then :)

he's gotta stop trying to be a clown, I mean trolling zoot is funny as fuck, but not with DDK

Also I seen a pic of ins with long hair, looked amazing, no homo.

He should grow that shit out for the stream so he looks good on camera and maybe he'll stop being a joke and be more professional too.

With long hair he looks like Fabio.

and stop saying "that"
that rail
that lg
that spawn
that plasma

Sorry Sub_ but gotta agree with T1E here(#13): Co-casting is a chemistry issue, period. Zoot absolutely knows how to work with ins and gently steer him -- plus he knows ins' strengths(e.g., when Zoot asks him what the non-pov player is doing or about weap acc, etc.).
Zoot also uses an almost "big brother" kind of interpersonal style with ins that makes them unique to other casting teams that can seem kind of generically professional.
ddk doesn't seem to get ins at all or know what to do with him; not even sure if ddk knows just how much time ins has put in duels with amazing players(TONS w/ Strenx alone) and played just about every other ql mod to a proficient degree.

The question really is: Who else besides Zoot can bring out the synergies ins has for casting?

EDIT Sub_ : Sorry I reread your second comment and realize we basically agree that ins does MUCH better casting with Zoot than ddk. So I really wasn't at odds with your clarification. derp me.

haven't seen clipper in ages, i wonder what he is up to.

no. ins is dabes.

It's just ddk not knowing how to deal with him.

Ins is good! sharap!

i'm sorry but i don't think it matters who the guest host is right now.
faceit has oversatured itself already and it's the middle of summer.
you could have cooller/strenx co-host and it still wouldn't hit more than 2k viewers.

oh yeah, quake is dead

stermy signed up !

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erection secured.

now we just need tox and avek as well.

still cheering for you mate!

Stermy training for Quakecon? \:D/

he does, yep

hope he will guest cast qcon as well when not playing

if theres one player that should cast in his downtime, its rapha. no one is as insightful as him

Ins casting is good, he actually says relevant things about what is happening in game.

Ddk is good for 1 match, then he just repeats the same themes over and over and over and over and over....

Zoot is alright, I personally can't stand his no backbone personality. Though his play by play is fairly good and he understands how to work well with other peeps.

The thing i've gathered most from watching too much quake, is that you need to be a player, a good player at that, to even have the slightest chance at being a good caster. It's not like starcraft were you can just say the advantages of each players build and hype up a battle, because everything can change in the space of 2 seconds and you need to be able to keep up with the pace.

This takes immense knowledge....just because player a hits a good rocket and has more stack doesn't mean he's in an advantages position...has so much to do with were the players are, who can get to the next strong point first and the routes they take as well.

On the fourth and fifth paragraph, not really. Joe and wheat are among the best casters of all time and they have no clue about quake duel (at best 1200 elo).

In quake duel what is difficult is playing the color commentator role, but the play by play commentary doesn't require even knowing about the game because of its very nature, as most of what happens is what you see on the screen and all in a first person perspective.

What I'd like to see now is a solid main commentator, better than ddk, and that if there's three people at the studio then use the extra guest too, speaking once or twice a match. For example Tosspot (says what he sees on the screen and does the introductions most of the time), ddk (strategies, lets say 2 minutes out of 10) and cooller ("pffft").

Cooler: pfffft, what!!!

Joe wasn't a good quake caster. He's a great caster period and he was with 2gd that's why he sounded and looked like a great quake caster, but he really had very few hints of what was going on. When he had to cast with someone else and take a more prominent role in the casting he just lacked the knowledge and lost confidence, even his tone of voice was different and sounded pretty much confused. When 2GD was into casting was just the whole package, funny, nice voice, smart, good knowledge of the language and fresh view on quake duels, bit egocentric and an asshole at times. You just needed to add a sidekick with great chemistry with him who knew his shit on a professional level to grant high standards most of the times, filling the voids every now and then and just bounce off and follow 2gd's lead. And that was just perfect for Joe to shine in the quake scene.

tl;dr he's a professional who had GREAT chemsitry with 2gd and James was indeed 2gd so it seemed like joe was a great quake caster. But he wasn't.

this

Pretty much agree. It seems so few people appreciate how good Joe and Wheat were with Quake, more than half the comments I ever read about them are along the lines of "didn't know much about the game". It never mattered, they made the game exciting and come across better than any other play-by-play commentators Quake has, it's only 1% of delusional elitists who would denegrate what they did. I can almost guarantee, that to any non-regular Quake viewer, they seemed great.

I actually don't think color commentry is difficult, I think being good (genuinely good) at play-by-play is harder, especially when combining it with hosting and carrying a show. Color commentry has only a few requirements, game knowlege (which hundreds have), intelligence and good English (or whatever the main language is going to be). The only hard aspect of good color is filtering through all your game knowlege and providing relevant, interesting comments into what's happening and why, in a time sensitive environment WITHOUT killing the atmosphere of the game by descending into some kind of lecture. This is hard in Quake due to there being few moments of downtime between action.

There are no good main commentators in quake unfortunately, plenty can do analysis, which just goes back to my "play-by-play is harder" comment. I agree you would need to drag someone like Tosspot back to fill that spot if you want to shift ddk into analysis, which I'd rather see as he's perfect for that role.

Also, why are the conversations between games seemingly so awkward at faceit? The only time from recent memory that it wasn't was when Liefje was there.

"There are no good main commentators in quake unfortunately"

u wot m8

want to be next tosspot?

start screaming like 4yo girl, without reason.

Ok. You up for it?

sorry, im the scream maker, not screamer :D

You're not making the 4 year old girls scream, I hope.

only when i take their cherry candys away

Too much.

Sounds like someone is jelly.

"Jelly", enough said.

all my efforts to make it as awkward as possible were fruitless! :P

Maybe you'll get another chance to try.

btw now I'm watching the finals and ddk is throwing one or two analytical comments per map, which are very, very good.

What made 2gd great were the insightful comments and the jokes, which is the color caster role, and I agree there aren't great main commentators in quake left. The best ones left to other games.

imho it sounds like ddk says always the same because:
A) He's always been on stage from the beginning.
B) They show mostly the man in control. Well, after a while there isn't that much to say i believe. After a guy got 3 frags, cycled the map and is again 200-200 vs a 100-75 you kinda run out of things to say and end up repeating urself.

I'd bind 9 cg_follokiller 1 and bind 0 cg_follokiller 0 and after the guy in control got a couple of frags, if nothing had changed stackwise i'd push 0 and show for some minutes how the guy out of control plays to get it back.
I get that they want to show the frags and the guy in control is likely to get them but it gets kinda repetitive imho.

I don't think B applied to 2gd though. He always had new things to say and new aspects of the game or meta-game to analyze or comment on when things on screen got repetitive. And sometimes he'd just talk about something else than the game itself if it was already in garbage time at the halfway point. DDK rarely does the "what player X should've done" type of analysis.

Anyway:

bind 9 "vstr followtoggle"
set followtoggle "vstr follow_off"
set follow_on "cg_followkiller 1; set followtoggle vstr follow_off"
set follow_off "cg_followkiller 0; set followtoggle vstr follow_on"

if you dont mind the console-status-feedback:
bind 9 "toggle cg_followkiller"

imo zoot is the best quake-caster in a long time. and thats coming from a guy who couldnt stand zoot in the beginning.

zoot can do play-by-play with eyes closed, and it would still turn out to be great. he perfected his style, his tone, his dynamic to just paraphrase the ongoing battles. very enjoyable to listen to.

zoot effotlessly keeps up with the pace of a game. so inbetween his play-by-play he does add some analysis. sometimes only scratching the surface, sometimes going deeper. but i never heard a caster whos so good at adapting to the dynamics of a duel.

'no backbone personality' - posted by anon
care to elaborate on that one? im just curious really

Being a quake caster must be a first place contender in the most thankless job rankings.

Everybody thinks he knows EVERYTHING about a good caster/casting, but has not done shit. So big ups to all the casters who provide us with great games!

Sorry but, you don't need to have done anything yourself to comment on whether or not you think someone is doing a good job.

well you "can" but its not exactly productive. Lets say i've never seen a game of football and never played it myself and then I watch a 5th devision game and oh boy, those guys play GOOOOOOD! MAN THEY ARE AMAZING... see my point?

The scenario you just imagined would actually be productive, let me explain. You would be in awe of these peoples ability, having not seen anything like it before, others could then inform you about where you can watch a better standard of play.

But really, I know what you are trying to say, I just don't agree.

"You" can have an opinion, absolutely. Its a worthless opinion that nobody should ever care about, but you should feel free to express it.

The world really doesnt need spectator critics who sit on the sideline, doesnt produce or do anything themselves, and then proceed to critique the things they see. Why should I, or anyone, care? Does their opinion of a situation dictate what my experience is gonna be like? It shouldnt.

Conversation among peers is different. Real experience and knowledge can be shared. Just dont involve the spectator critics, they have nothing to add.

PS: Fuck Yelp. Horrible company.

"Why should I, or anyone, care?"

Obviously, because the whole show is produced to being watched. The viewers shouldnt have to be commentators themselves to be allowed to critic the show. Your logic is seriously flawed...

The viewers are free to say whatever they want about the show. The people behind the show should want people critiquing and talking about it, even if its all negative. Im just not going to care, or even listen to them. At all.

There is no logical flaw, you just dont get it. Read my comment again.

lol in da face of clueless guys flaming ins.

he's got his role, and does it perfectly. if he had to cast alone, it would be a disaster, but he's got ddk/zoot to do the chit chat, so he can concentrate on quality analysis.


seriously guys, learn 2 quake.

haven't watched a faceit in a few weeks, can't wait for this one.

rooting for tox
love seeing his hater's upset

oh yeah plenty of tox haters around

Already looking forward to Autumn Cup with Sinister, Fuse and Delirium.
Still gonna watch this one \o/

nice

Go Facey!

hail to da facey!

seeing people playing fuse and delirium on the qlranks stream really makes this cup seem more boring than it is, the maps are just zzzzzzzz

l2duel

what does that have to do with the fact that seeing mostly the same maps over and over and over and over and over and over and over again is boring?

on a regular map people play with a high degree of precision and thought. many players have almost fully fleshed out their play on such a map. in the end, its merely details that decide the fight.

very enjoyable to watch for people who notice all the small things.

on a new map however, people are just in the process of exploring the possibilities. im not saying that is not entertaining, but its far from the skill-level that regular maps can offer.

rofl ok

just felt like providing a contrasting perspective, dont take it personal

demon cypher stermy twister fazz baksteen p0ni matr0x

not that bad for a summer day

oh yes p0ni, the most boring playstyle ever arrives

agree. imo toxiq plays the same in ql. both tox and p0ni play like the old version of strenx. and thats not a compliment

Pick lg, rail and go from one item to another. Make damage in between. WIN!

well seems like theres another element in p0nis style:

camp/hide for 3 minute before the end

just because u saw his ztn game a few minutes ago? :P naw, I think there is more to that that meets the eye. cooller said once that he didnt know how to counter p0ni style because he is so efficient in what he does.

i dont find p0ni style boring per se but because it is so predicatable at times it takes the joy out of watching im play. but seeing him play vs player that are the sorta opposite of him is fine: like p0ni baksteen, p0ni ash, p0ni pavel. and so on.

well yeah. no doubt hes incredibly good at what he does (shaft/position), but i dont think this style really works well.

whenever ash got in control, poni was completely helpless and just relied on his aim. obviously it works out sometimes, but often it doesnt, even with his kind of aim.

i just dont see that special talent in him that made cypher/rapha/cooller champions in ql: the out-of-control play

Totally agree on the last part!

Would have signed up


Was one minute late \o/

why thinshaft btw? looks shit imo. use the quake world shaft

i like it a lot, shaft fights are just more watchable, lot less shit on the screen

oh my

leslie (c) ddk

poor leszny :<

stermy still with his classic mistake: playing too defensive

c'mon guise, stop trying to get ins fired and deported to mexico

hey ese i broke into your car

Gave up watching. How can a stream be that choppy? Fuck you twitch, fuck you LoL.

http://bogy.mine.nu/sc2/stream2vlc.php

try this

Cogent vs. Euro ISPs :(

Just wrote a complaint to my ISP

Hi Zoot. My name is Jan. Can we talk business? I am planning to start a new studio located in Belgium. We would like to have you in our team as head caster. We will provide travel expenses and you will get a market conform salary.

OBVIOUS TRAP IS OBVIOUS.

I can see Zoot tied to a bed with a midget sitting on his chest with an icepick.

Zed's dead, baby.

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Now test VLC thing, and I need to say that it's awesome. 1st time on my 50Mbit I can watch 720 quality without any troubles.

Now we just need a solution, how to make it work with offline records.

Some great moments of casting from ins today, enjoying it.

"poni stopped hitting baksteens model for a while now he's been hitting his soul" (paraphase)

"here comes the pokeball" - (when ash tosses a grenade that hit fazz in his face)

fazz's grenade hit ash*

hahahahah

my "baksteen r4p3d" vod collection is getting bigger and bigger :-)

you're such a dick. [+]

how much of an inferiority complex can u have?

oh wait, 1400 elo. thats why

yeah totally.

low score in broken ranking of online game makes me miserable.










HEY WAIT, i dont give a fuck about it [nor your pathetic attempts to be mean]


:-)

YOU talking about pathetic attempts to be mean. haha

and "broken ranking". yeaa. rrright, at least that makes u feel less miserable :D

yeah, belive what you want, even if its total bullshit

Actually, it really is a broken system...




...everyone who beats hitsu is clearly cypher in disguise.

its broken because it doesnt take map/ping into consideration, and is based on all games you have played.


but i dont want to talk about this, you guys are so desperate for rankings, you will take any crap and praise it.

Well then GL at DH Winter m8

THX MAN IM PRACCIN REALLY HARD TO NOT DISAPPOINT SPONSORS

OFMG~! THAT DODGE ON RAILPLAT FORM VS PONI ROX,

!!!!!!!!!!

sick

whos that under the tank?

mmm... the little p0ni that goes with the wind, I guess.

oh now i see. kept seeing gyarados

a fool who dared stand between ash and victory

nice pic

tehurn.com

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sick plays. outplaying the aimwhore :D

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Dat DDK gasp! ->next facey clip

F A C E I T
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also was able to watch lagit in 720p+ for once, decided to stay for the first time in months!!

No LCS today.

That has nothing to do with it. The constant lag is aspecific FACEIT stream problem.
All other games run just fine, even all other QL streams run just fine.

Was kind of tongue-in-cheek.

Just trying to vent my frustration ... although after 6 months why even bother.

http://bogy.mine.nu/sc2/stream2vlc.php
Do this and it wont lag. The quality gets slightly lower, but it's very much worth it.

Dunno for me it never ever lags on my ipad, but when watching on my pc it lags horribly

Ash so deserved that win. His lg push when p0ni wanted to take ra, and also was in the lead, was soo sick! reminded me a bit of cooller.

NA sign ups:

ZeRo4, DaHang, dkt, cha0ticz, vo0, chance, Sparks, FienD, carnage, rey_, apparition_

song?

I don't understand the question.

24 used to do this awesome mini songs of notable singups, where he basically sang every nick in his simple, non professional manner

why no rapha?

summer?

Bible study.

FAZZ VS CYPHER

One of the most entertaining matches in a long time. Well, if you get excited when watching demo and knowing who's gonna win - that is something.

Epic ddk interview: 4k^ddk at ESWC Masters
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x63sat_4k-dd...videogames
(from twitch chat)

which maps vs players are worth watching? (8-0 with whine isnt worth watching)

edit: what does timenudge do?

lol you actually watched uaLaskij vs sothis

I accidentally 10 minutes of your life

no, luckily i was skimming through the stream & clicked to where ti was 7-0/8-0 down, guy raged 20 seconds later

it was a funny rage tho

Two comments above yours.

- "that surely must be it.."
- "yeaa... ok waiitt"
- "oh what... ok that must be it.. waaait"
- "oh is he..?!"
- "ok ok ok"

ddk and ins commentary for for DaHang vs Zero4

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Dear fazz!

Please upload the demo of your comeback vs Cypher to ESR.

Thanks.

Here ya go. http://www.esreality.com/post/2453527/fazz-vs-faceit/

JOHN HILL
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something's wrong there

every time i see chance, i keep thinking: if he had better aim, he would be in the shoes of rapha/cypher today (in terms of lan-wins).

such a good dueller

utube vods demos smth that isnt twitch?

gotta admit that ins and ddk were really good today.

ddk seemed a bit tired, but ins was really good. humour and great commentary overall

Facey will cover Qcon \\\oOo///
Well deserved.

looks like zero4's clan arena 3v3 scrimming with kgb/nemesis has paid off and helped his aim.

36-37% LG :D

John still not over the hill! He keeps rocking!!

But serious does anyone have some sneaky inside information about who is going to quakecon from EU???

80% surely VoO

100% Vo0 he lives nearby :-) And I see him as a dangerous underdog (ofc) :-P

The 3rd player in Stermy and H41's CA team - I'm guessing it will be Tox, Spart1e or K1llsen.

vo0, evil, stermy, (maybe) k1llsen

evil goes, stermy, voo, prolly cypher will show up. americans are cunts, they withhold info from the euros so that rapha dahang etc will win. look at rapha's CA games with his team, they only play 7 rounds, rofl. why do they set round limit to 7? cuz shiterror or whoever told them that's what will happen at the qc CA tournament. just an example

CRY ME A CYPHER :D

VODs

VODs:

EU: http://www.twitch.tv/faceittv/b/433714577?t=0h34m20s
NA: http://www.twitch.tv/faceittv/b/433714577?t=5h13m10s

Who won NA and who EU?

Can't find/acces brackets :>

Thanks.

ash beat p0ni and zero4 beat chance

obama and merkel respectively

PLEASE INS MAKE SOME ARTICULATION EXERCICES.

This. Ins is a decent caster, but he can't pronounce the letter h.

thats a south-european thing

Also "see my finals".

zis is france

Eh ye?

i've always supported you but i've noticed an increase in your misarticulation and it is realy infuriating to have to force the ear to understand you realy. Better say nothing or talk more relaxed, take time to articulate, make some exercices is a good and ultimatly the only way to improve. But thx for the kind insult.

wasnt an insult :D

AMERICAN FACEIT SUMMER #3 VODs with timestamped links : http://www.esportsfrance.com/actualites/30846/

Sorry I couldn't do it before, also I didn't do the european this week but I think they are going to be sorted out by FACEIT themselves...

Ah, also... are there any pictures of _ash somewhere ? Would need it for my news if he wins something again.

http://team102.ru/team/ash/
http://www.esl.eu/cis/quakelive/1on1/ems9_ru_...r/3876142/
http://quakelive.ru/gallery/image/2147-ash-hunter-zloy/
http://quakelive.ru/gallery/image/2178-img-2/

Thank you very much !

FACEIT - EU/NA SUMMER CUP #3 VOD & DEMOS

http://esreality.com/post/2453018/faceit-eu-n...vod-demos/

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lol i quit the stream halfway ZTN because i tought P0ni already won the whole thing

This is great.

ins u have good points in game but your voice is NOT good for casting.

hopewin is a fake player prolly from brazil according to ip (registered as uruguayan)

lol was meant for faceit southamerican cup, mega fail.