op iz low elo tard lol

i tink u true trololo

Funnyb keep changing nicks to new one purley becoz of eLo. INFA 100%))))))))))

since the very first day actually.
QL always had their own stats on players profiles.

Not sure, I'd say about ~2 years ago when QLRanks was made.

I was never in favour of the opinion that stats are a double-edged sword, I always thought having some sort of ranking is way more beneficial and just a few sore losers can't deal with it.

Recent months have proven that the game outside of tournaments is just an elo hogging parade with people threatening to SUE QLRanks and id software and everyone seems to be more and more concerned about their rank.

Maybe I was oblivious few years ago but I honestly think there was much less drama regarding elo and stats.

It was more the shift of power on ESR from the Americas-centered pub CA retard (post-raythenoob demise and after CooloutAC stopped posting frequently when he was put on probation and we didn't approve all of his posts, choosing to either delay or downright delete the batshit insane and illogical walls of text), but the demand for retardation left a power vaccuum causing the angsty Euro schoolkid to step up and eventually prevail.

Hence, more Euro-centric retard threads being made, once the tsunami that brought all of the official QL forum rejects and perpetually-banned onto ESR collapsed on itself, with the lawsuit thread a prime example: you encountered at least three people in their mid-teens (from France, Germany and Poland iirc) with no clear grasp of "due process" or "commercial law" intellectually debating with you by calling you names related to ponies (I guess they haven't learned "satire" in school either).

history of retardation on esr throughout the time would be an article i'd gladly read and plus.

Oh wtf! How did I miss that lawsuit thread?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2413750/qlranks-com-issu/

Because he doesn't mention the possibility of lawsuit in the title (which is additionally mis-spelt, and not due to the character limitations of thread titles either) and it looks like another shitty whine thread that possibly may have been hijacked by Jamerio due to 222 replies for a thread with a non-issue?

Yeah the search actually came back with the thread. Just read most of it and damn. I think they out-retarded anything on the qlive forums to date.

ahaha, have a + sir :)))

pony weirdo is right, elo fucked this game

cause none of yours go above 1350 elo

i beat u with handicap 50. no, wait, i beat u with my pc turned off. no, wait, i beat u without having an account

stats and elo becomes a problem when you let it.

They should simply remove the chat function in-game.

No chat, no whine, no obscenities, just quake.

or just allow chat visible between friends

would certainly improve the faceit finals

ELO is pretty chaotic in a game where one mouse click can change the outcome of the match. Makes more sense in a game like Chess.

Seems like rapha und cooller are pretty lucky with these one mouse clicks :>>

:)

this

its not an extremely accurate way to use a rating system from chess which doesn't include:

ping difference
different maps
spawns, etc.

ye, irish/british warpconnections and german lanpingers should insta be -200

:*

looking at the top ranked players it looks pretty accurate to me

I dont think thats a valid argument. Surely one mistake decides games in high level chess, between equal players.

You do have a point though.
The argument for ELO not mattering should be the amount of luck thats affecting the games outcomes.
My opinion is that QL doesnt have high enough luck factor that ELO system is not viable, but its purely subjective.
I wouldnt use ELO to determine the best player or anything, theres too much luck and other factors for that.

Chess moves can take days. Mouse click in Quake happens every other second.

One mouse click is an exaggeration.
Most pro matches in chess have usually short timelimits / move afaik.

Well, Blitz Chess is most similar because of its pace. Blitz Chess ELO doesn't necessary reflect vanilla Chess ELO. One mouse click might be an exaggeration, but it's certainly not too far fetched. A direct rocket, grenade or rail could change everything in a match. It might lead to a 10 frag spree, for example. Ultimately Chess isn't analogous with Quake because there are turns. Quake would be really silly if you could only fire in a certain order.

I think ql-rankings led to a more hostile dueling environment, because people think, that they are entitled to win over an opponent with lower elo, which leads to more flame and whine. Many people also don't understand, that elo varies greatly (probably around 200 points) and therefore should be considered a highly relative measure of skill, as what many don't seem to see it - they don't see it as a measure of outcome expectancy, which it is, but rather as the future outcome of a match itself.

and when they are losing to a lower elo player they feel they are underperforming and they get even more frustrated which leads to rage,anger and so on =)

Exactly and I actually wouldn't exclude myself from this, because it's my very own experience with my own feelings during games, but it gets better fortunately.

im not exlucing myself too
i was angry once when i lost to u cuz u only had 1500 elo and i had 1700 =)
quake skill cant be measured by any stat
there are too many variables which change outcomes and we are all human so its natural to try to comfort our ego by using imaginary stuff
but what i did was lose a lot of elo on purpose so i stopped caring about it helped me a lot =)

This was very well said.

i agree with you and like you said i just want to highlight that people are to blame if they fail to understand how to read rankings, not qlranks itself.
Under certain conditions and analyzing Elo score in a statistical view, i think it can measure skill in quake (i'm talking about duel, don't know how team Elo works).

i love elo, i mean, i gotta fight for something nowadays :(

Fight for making flights!

lol bronze medal don't even talk to me diamond420

i dunno, I was playing some clan arena the other day on another account ive had for the past 3/4 years and some guy put up an elo filter thing and started bitching at me cos my elo was only 1000~ and i had to leave etc ><
i just thought "clan arena... with elo..." this is the game type i play while dinner is in the oven or something or before i head out. to me, since q3, this was always just the fun gametype where messing around was the given.
I remember the old q3 servers which were just dm6 nonstop and everyone just seemed so happy flying around killing each other. barely any chat or flames, just ya know - fun.

now though - "WAAAAAAAA BALANCE TEAMS WAAAA MY STATS WAAAAA ELO WAAAAAAA" and im just sitting there thinking "these people honestly give a fuck about their standing in quakelive public clanarena"
my theory is the new kidz are f'n pussies and stats and elo have a very very very negative effect on young male gamers. in every game ive played with elo i have found the communities to be absolutely toxic and i just feel embarrassed that im playing the same game as them :s

elo shouldn't belong in friendly matches, especially pub, random play.

lolca should only be tracked in 4v4 private (password protected )server matches.

oh and the constant stream of new accounts for stat farming >< fucking hell, what a bunch of no life nerds they are

my elo on dm13 = 1300
my elo on aero = 1700
on t7 = 2000-2100
on ztn = 1900
on tox = 1880

cooller elo:
Sexy = over 9000
Fitness = over 9000
Real life elo = over 9000

haha :>

my elo on ztn = 800 :)

would love the option to turn off stats for myself (i dont see my stats and other peoples stats, other ppl can ofc view my stats).
a simple script would do that job, too bad i have no idea about programming/scripting

Just turn off the elo script in prism..

elo=stats?
i dont use prism (heard ppl became banned cause of it?)

and its not the same when smbdy says: "just ignore the stats, dont look at your profile"

You are certainly not banned for qlprism.

Stats are ok imo.
The only problem is the chat, and also force shuffle and auto-balance in every team mode servers.

ESR needs a feature: hide posts from <2000 elo noobs, turned on by default.

gl reading up to two new posts a week then

you couldnt see your own posts then

Wow, you figured that out in just 3,5 hours!

sorry for having life beside esr

/thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4c77EVWm-A

bronze noob

The attitudes actually been there since ql started with its dumb stats+leaderboards. Its only more noticeable in the dueling people now with qlranks.

Yea I miss 1999-2002 also =/

The shitty attitudes started around 2006 with the Walter generation.
This is when the attitude that duel is the only gametype and quakers stopped helping/teaching other quakers.... Although it wasn't so bad in Q4. Streetrunner and a few others were always nice and willing to help.