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"Please note that as part of this change we had to drop the Series tournaments."

Oh come on, just when I started to enjoy those lvl 6 tournaments :<

So how is this ladder gonna work, only one main ladder for everyone?

Series tournaments and Level 6 Cups are something different.

It's a ladder which is open to all, yes. You will receive points depending on how high the other's ranked, etc.

Ok then. Thanks

nooooooo :D I was in round 3 series, already won ~30$ now they gone!

"All players that were currently in series tournaments will see their money credited to their accounts and won’t be able to access these tournaments anymore." :)

das is gut! :D

ql tiers, qlranks elo, and face-it points.
I like standards, everybody should have one :-]

If only id would listen...

Awesome!

Definitely, FACEIT is just a blessing for Quake.
The whole thing (cups, broadcast, commentaries, videos) is ran so professionally. And they keep adding new stuff.
Good job guys.

Now we need more people playing and quake scene is saved!

+1000

1. order by ranking doesnt work? It toggles asc-desc name
2. is there a map list for the ladder?
3. is it bo1 or bo3? or the players decide?
4. how to sign myself up as available? or do you just not see yourself in the list but other players can see me?
5. this rocks!

edit: rbkaif is gay...hes staying in the "searching" list but he never checks in. my search keeps finding him.

6. would be good if you could ignore a player from a search~ or but them to the end of the list after they fail to check in once
7. would also be good if the messaging system has a sound alert so people know ive messaged them for a 1v1
8. the icons (message/challenge/that other one) should have tooltips so its easy to know what the other ones are (only message is obvious)

edit 2: WHO DARES CHALLENGE MEEEE

1. Forwarded it
2. It should be in the rules section once you enter a match
3. Bo1
4. The list on the right is all players who are online, except for yourself - not just people who are searching
5. :D
6. Yes, fixing it!
7. It should have a *pop* sound - like someone throws a nut against your head
8. There is a learn more button which should clear most things up

7. so theyre just ignoring me :(((
8. the legend lists the stuff on the top left. not when hovering players (it seems that 1st = add to friend list?, 2nd = message them, 3rd = challenge them)

2drunk2play atm but will as soon as im sober

well I guess this is what happens when you give a chance to competent people to run the competitive side of things

off to the tdm mobile now !

I really don't think that people will use the ladder if there isn't some sort of cash prize for the winner at the end of the month. Just 100$ might even be enough to make it worth while grinding out pracs on the faceit ladder rather than the usual way. But with nothing to play for, it would just be way faster connecting to the servers as the player base is much larger.

"At the end of each month the top players of the ladder will win prizes and the ladder rankings will be reset to create a new challenge in the month to come"

Will let you know how much soon!

Roger.

If you make it worth while for a guy like evil or some other top player to grind matches, I think you will get a certain activity :>

funny how FaceIT and QLranks do everything and ID guys are just sitting there and updating the game everynow and then.

and ID guys are just sitting there and updating the game everynow and then.

/facepalm

am i wrong ? the ql community been asking for a ladder system in the ql website for ages and they didnt do anything.

Well it's funny how you say they are sitting on their ass and keep updating the game. I don't think you know how much work does it take to keep pushing those updates out, and I don't think you know how small the team is behind Quake Live. You should be thankful they update the game still. Quake Live doesn't make a lot of money for the them, most companies would have already shut it down by this point.

Actually, i do know more than you think, they can easily collaborate with the guys behind QLranks and make it inside the Quake-LIVE site but they didnt, there are alot of smaller stuff that can be added with no much problems which people were requesting for a while now and they are still not there yet.

What is the benefit of QLRanks being implemented into the QL site? I can't think of any. It is much easier and faster to check it through browser.

Yes, no one knows how much work it does take to make updates, because no one has ever seen how mods like OSP or CPMA were developed, which had a typical monthly changelog bigger than a couple years of QuakeLive.
QL has a small team of 2 people, but teams on other community projects usually aren't that much bigger if at all, they also don't make any money and can't even work full time and yet still they produce new working features much faster than professional team at id.
At least it could mean that QL development is organized extremely inefficient compared even to non-professional non-business enthusiast teams, and some of people managing this project should be fired because they are ruining id's business.

I don't care about Q3 modders, but you honestly can't say QLRanks or QLPrism or any community project in Quake Live did more than the QL development team.
Yes, they do work hard and they do amazing, we must be thankful for QLRanks and all of the other community projects. Without them QL would be much worse. Or even dead maybe.
But do not disregard the work that SyncError and his team is doing. They are doing lot. Yes, they get paid. It's their job. But they don't just sit on their asses, they are constantly try to expand and improve this game.
They do have different priorities than the community. And to this, the users usually react like: "id is never listening to the community, blah blah, they suck." In fact, they implemented a lot of changes based on community suggestions. Certainly not every, and some slow, but they did.
You got to respect them for the work they are doing.

Yes, they do work hard and they do amazing

LOL

syncerror is a map maker. why you say he is a developer? id team is very bad and only make changes 2 or 3 years after requests. they also only work during week. most developers work 24/7 all the time. i agree that the current devs should be fired and make id look bad.

It's good that you quoted something I said about QLRanks and other community projects.

I don't care about Q3 modders

So you decide to just ignore the argument that when small community team is faced with the same goals as current QL dev team, the community does 20 times more work, and all in spare time and without any monetary motivation?

you honestly can't say QLRanks or QLPrism or any community project in Quake Live did more than the QL development team.

I honestly can say that they have done infinitely more work, because QL dev team didn't actually do ANYTHING in the areas that those projects are involved. They do SOME work maintaining and bugfixing QL in general, but it's very tiny amount, and they don't deserve to be praised for it.

But do not disregard the work that SyncError and his team is doing. They are doing lot. Yes, they get paid. It's their job. But they don't just sit on their asses, they are constantly try to expand and improve this game.

By a comparative measure - NO. They are not doing a lot. They just sit on their asses most of the time compared to other dev teams. And trying or making effort is NOT something that deserves credit, so it's not important at all what they are trying to do, what matters is only what they actually have done, which is almost nothing compared to what other people have done in similar situations.

You got to respect them for the work they are doing.

Why? I don't think they worked good enough to deserve respect. You cannot respect everything by default. Why others work their ass off to earn respect, while id is allowed to just sit in office, eat donuts and almost don't work at all and still earn it? I think saying that we got to respect them is a huge insult to other teams who actually have accomplished some big goals to become respected.

So you decide to just ignore the argument that when small community team is faced with the same goals as current QL dev team, the community does 20 times more work, and all in spare time and without any monetary motivation?

I ignored it because I don't care and I don't know about Q3. I didn't say you were wrong, I just can't answer that point.

I honestly can say that they have done infinitely more work, because QL dev team didn't actually do ANYTHING in the areas that those projects are involved.

So by your logic, if I make an origami boat, I did infinitely more work than QLRanks did, because they don't actually do ANYTHING in the area of paper folding.

I think saying that we got to respect them is a huge insult to other teams who actually have accomplished some big goals to become respected.

Umm... that's not how respect works. Then, by your logic, we can't really respect QLRanks either, because that would be a huge insult to great minds like Einstein, or if we stick with just Quake, John Carmack. Nope. You gotta respect EVERYONE who's adding something to Quake or the world or whatever.

Mate, I agree that we should be thankful to id and respect it's team for what they've done. But. Not for what they've been doing now with QL. The most bright analogy should be SC2, which has it's playerbase constantly supported by improving and improving and improving, until, sometime soon, they'll reach quite a balance and harmony, as in SCBW. Yes, they got more devs, dedicated to the goal atm, but what stops id from hiring beautiful minds of ranks/prism devs? Maybe even some kind of part-time collaboration would've helped?

What stops id from implementing defrag arena? Youngsters coming to QL don't know shit about it, but afaik it's quite addictive, hence - more accs sold yearly, more money for id.

What stops id from hiring Joe Goss to promote QL? Even their whole franchise of badass hardcore FPShooters? Ever seen his ARENAS series, or 'GO PLAY' ad? Somehow our respectable id team doesn't give a fuck, instead they have sync and probably another one and a half men woking days and nights on bugshooting range (scoreboard glitches still being intact by jan-feb 2013). Oh yeah - they're thinking over including moar characters into the model pool, also pink skins and poneys. 'No Joe Goss, no prism, no ranks, thank you. we have new map rotation feature up your ass'.

So by your logic, if I make an origami boat, I did infinitely more work than QLRanks did, because they don't actually do ANYTHING in the area of paper folding.

Yes, in the niche of amateur paper folding. And they did infinitely more work in the niche of ranking players. There is no such thing as small or big work by itself, it is always judged in context of who is it for and how it affects them. So therefore, with your Einstein example, Einstein earned respect of all scientific community and generally people who think physics is important and QLRanks earned respect of QuakeLive fans, and you with origami boat earned respect of yourself and maybe a little bit from few friends who you showed it.

If you respect anyone, then the word "respect" is devaluated and becomes meaningless - you can just drop it, because everyone is anyway respected, and it would make no difference to mention respect or not when talking about a person or group, because in both cases the same amount of respect is assumed.

Yes, in the niche of amateur paper folding. And they did infinitely more work in the niche of ranking players.

Now tell me where I said that id did more work in THAT PARTICULAR area. I was speaking overally about Quake Live. Never mentioned ladders or rankings.

It is pointless to compare overall work done over many years when you are pursuing very broad goal like developing whole QL versus work done only in few months with an intent to do one specific thing.
You have done more work pooping throughout your life than Einstein have done writing his relativity paper. So what?

Nope.

It's more like a company has been building a building for 3 years. Then some of the residents come together and make internet available for the whole building in just 2 weeks. Are they awesome? Yes. Is it good they did that? Definitely.
But don't the guys who built the building also deserve respect? They were hired, of course, but they spent 3 years of hard work to make the building. They did not make internet connection available, because they focused on other things instead, like making ramps for the handicapped, and so on. But the residents of the building wanted internet, and a few guys who could do it, stepped up and did it.

I respect the company for making this building for us, and I also respect the few residents who made internet available for everyone in the building.

I however don't respect people who moved in for free, but complain about stuff, how the building doesn't have a jacuzzi yet, etc. (I don't mean you, I have no idea if you're Standard or Premium or Pro, but many people don't pay a dime, don't do anything for the community, but keep complaining how much id sucks. Those people don't have my respect).

Also note, I used the 2 weeks in my example figuratively, I know the guys behind QLRanks put a lot more time into making it.

Obviously, the work that they have done to build whole Quake Zero / QL platform and get it running is a great accomplishment and deserves full respect. But that was, like, 4 years ago.

When QL opened for public, it was not even nearly up to standards defined by competitive mods like CPMA, but people still moved in, because they were enthusiastic and believed that with professional full-day working team at id, making QL the best Quake game ever is just a matter of a little time, and opening the game in unfinished beta state is just a way of making development more flexible by testing various ideas and incorporating community wishes.

Up to this point, there is no problem. Everyone is looking forward to great Quake future, id is promising to deliver it, they actively communicate with players, players actively discuss the game and make suggestions, and all is good.

But then it all starts falling downhill. id starts making stupid decisions and focusing on things that no one cares about, simple features promised to be done soon take many months to be implemented and bugs take years to fix, support is nonexistent, id completely shuts down all communications and stops talking about QL development, they deliberately decline offers to make new maps and run new servers from community, then they "release" the QuakeLive (promising huge promotion and delivering none of it) and pro/premium subscription model that had close to zero playerbase for years and the problem was entirely ignored and by that point the only real positive thing is finally cooperating with community mapmakers to get small stable flow of new maps into the game. Then they introduce the map rotation to artificially force people to buy subscription, at the cost of separating playerbase and severely hurting overall players activity. And still, feature-wise, QL after 4 years isn't up to par with old Q3 mods in many regards, most of id's initial promises aren't fulfilled and from both players and business perspective they are headed in totally wrong direction.

I give full credit to id for building the QL. But how they handled its further development since opening it for players is simply abhorrent and I simply cannot make myself respect their poor job on that.

Well I for one do like the map rotation. It's basically means that now every map is free, you just have to wait for their turn. Even though I am a Premium user, I didn't get to play a lot of maps because Premium servers were empty. So now with the rotation I get to play awesome maps, and I love it.

And if you look at QL 4 years ago, and look at it now, it's so much different. They have come a long way. Now you may not like where QL stands now, but you have to admit they have done a lot of work, even if it's towards a different direction that you would like.

even if it's towards a different direction that you would like.

I think most of the issues come from that for Esreality's residents. QL isn't developed (mainly) for the competitive crowd but for the many, many times more numerous casual crowd.

QL has very little features designed for casual crowd. There is no proper tutorial, training maps are very limited, stats are poor, too little achievements and no in-game display of them, no interface for demo recording/playback, no easy config presets, etc. And id never indicated that anything from this list was ever a priority.

Well I for one do like the map rotation. It's basically means that now every map is free, you just have to wait for their turn.

That works only for people who are okay with waiting few months for their favourite maps. Also, with map rotation it became enormously slower for games to get running, since half of free people bought subscription and essentially if you are either on free or premium server, only half of previous playerbase is available to join (except months when most popular maps appear in the free pool, which happens not often for most gametypes).

And if you look at QL 4 years ago, and look at it now, it's so much different.

Of course. They don't called it beta for nothing, it was really minimalistic 4 years ago. But still it doesn't meet even those expectations that people had 4 years ago and anticipated them to be implemented in several months.

but you have to admit they have done a lot of work

I just don't see how can I admit that they have done "a lot" of work if it took them four years for things similar to those which were implemented in OSP or CPMA during just few months. If you look up wishlists that came up during beta, 5-10% of suggestions are implemented at most.

even if it's not towards a different direction that you would like.

It's not direction which just I don't like, it's completely absurd direction where they, for example, make awesome new gametypes like Domination and leave them inaccessible so that no one ever plays them, and do nothing to fix this situation which is objectively unacceptable neither for players nor for business of id.

But still it doesn't meet even those expectations that people had 4 years ago and anticipated them to be implemented in several months.

And it never will entirely, because Quake Live's business model doesn't make most of those changes available. It's a different game, people have to accept that.

It's not direction which just I don't like, it's completely absurd direction where they, for example, make awesome new gametypes like Domination and leave them inaccessible so that no one ever plays them

I did play a few through a) a community, b) just joined a random premium server that was populated. Although b is VERY rare, it can happen. Otherwise there are the sampler servers every 3 or 4 months maybe. Still, I love those gametypes.

It's a bad situation, yeah, but I can understand id, they want to create more premium content so more people buys the game. Unfortunately, not enough does, and a large amount of subscribers are not casuals and they don't play these gametypes. Maybe if they made them free, but make like Duel and FFA premium, which would cause a huge uproar in the community, but Duel is like the only gametype that gets played on premium public anyway. There is no perfect solution for this.

Maybe the best solution would be if they made everything free and introduced collectible hats for money.

And it never will entirely, because Quake Live's business model doesn't make most of those changes available.

What has business model to do with, let's say, providing an interface to play demos?

I can understand id, they want to create more premium content so more people buys the game.

Even for this critical business goal, it took then 2 years to implement map rotation to respond to near-zero premium activity. You can understand id, but I can not.

No matter how much of a fanboy you are, you have to admit ID is doing a terribly awful job in keeping QL alive and managing the game in general.

I won't.

Then Ill take it as you havent been around for long.

Well, that is true, my account is not even a year old yet.

A good idea in general is to gather information from various sources before making an opinion.

Guys, as much as we appreciate the fact that you like our work, it's also thanks to the Quake Live team and Syncerror in particular that we can bring you entertainment every day on our platform.

and to me cause i rock

I swear I read "...because I cock".

ins swears he typed "...because I cock" too

i do not hate ID, i just think that a collaboration could have been done.

I wrote many times on the subject. I just want to add that despite all the limits people highlight, there are are people within id software who are supporters of the game. I don't think it's a stretch to say that without them, the project would have been shut down long ago.

Where can I see the ladder?

It's now below the Quick Match bar, and you can click See More to see the entire ladder.

thats how i roll

STILL GOT IT!!!

man up & challenge me

everyone scared to face me so ive dropped down since -_ messaged like 30 people :x

fyi: winner of the first match of the first ladder season on faceit; history books await me

i won the 10 first tbh, then i resetted it, soz4owned

anybody can
insert into match_tbl('ins','cooller','ins',sysdate);

your testing wins aint impressive brah

i dont even.

<3 faceit

FACEIT sort your fucking shoddy website out! I can't see a donate button anywhere and it's annoying the fuck out of me >.<

u can donate to me privately

Overcome your fear of flying and I might just do that! :P

i love flying, i really do

Don't you mean his insecurity about his lack of height?

Are you insinuating that the mans height is directly related to acrophobia? :>

insinuating?

And I wasn't, but hey..

for growth hormones?

now same for team modes (ctf, tdm) and we have everything ql.com could have had.

it couldn't have any of these cool features, id too dumpest)

WHERE MY POINTS AT?

I mean seriously.. I played one game and won it, why did I not get any points?

The Quake community pulling it off again.

QUAKE FOR LIFE SON

SHITERROR TAKE NOTICE, THIS IS HOW ITS DONE.

leave him alone. he's a nice man!

I guess the ladder matches are bo1 ? Maybe you should consider making them bo3, I suppose there's already a specific map pool which is good but one thing I always found frustrating about public duels is how most people disconnects after one map. It's not really hard to find players to play one map but it's really difficult to find someone who is willing to play a proper bo3.
Also it would probably make the ladder more accurate overall.