excellent game to play while smokin some herb

This.

double this

Make it triple and that's the hungarian truth.

make it quad )))

if i smoke before a chess game i think of a move and then find reasons not to do it...but i still do the same move 3 min later because i forgot i thought about it before.
i'm not very good at chess though.

fucking unbalanced noob shit game. if I didn't know any better I'd guess ID software made chess since chess has an even worse map layout than most clan arena maps. the Queen is OP as fuck and serves the purpose of shoving feminazi propaganda down our throats like a giant floppy dick since it's the most powerful character fucking retarded noob lmfap

ps. much luv RIP tupac shakur xxo

Yeah, it definitely needs a map pack, it has been over 800 years for crying out loud.

... kk, i will write a support ticket... chess needs new maps.

In chess your moving ze pieces.

In quake you are ze pieces.

(c) Sir Anton Coollerovf

(c) Sr Antonio Coollier

"Antoine Coolleratzinger" best describes him (c) rapha

Antonionetsky cooleriffanov

\o\
/o/

"This game isn't very well-designed. For starters, knights are too weak ..."

I played chess for school and in tournaments a lot until the age of about 15. They didn't have chess at my high school, but luckily there was a replacement. (Quake)

I am now better than average, but not brilliant. I beat nearly everyone I play, but I'm not playing any regular chess players. I played some icelandic guy (can't remember nick?) from esr a few years ago and he really whipped my ass, however we were playing with timelimits which I'm not really used to.

The netcode in chess is terrible.

the netcode in chess is weird

fixed

I don't always make weird jokes... but when I do, they're old.

true, but they are evergreens...

Chess is interesting but boring on higher levels. The comparison to quake is meh.

the graphics sucks but what do you expect from a hundred of years old engine, there are also some game imbalances but I heard blizzard bought the rights to the game and will soon address them.

Like the queen will be a raid boss.

The one with the most timenudge wins. Look at Magnus Karlsen for example. He definitely uses timenudge -5000 since he knows what the opponent is doing 12 steps ahead. IMBA as fuck

would be super addictive and i would quit gaming for it if i had the brain power to play full games out in my head.

chess? yess.
its fucking overpowered drug made from the wood.
http://www.chess.com/members/view/iavoal#games

chess champion of my primary school 2 years running, fuck all of you :)

challenge accepted

I must break you.

elo?
fide ranked?

I don't know - but I was LAN proven

go show match vs the pavel guy in this thread

no way, been inactive for too long :(

it's like riding a bike

and then realising you gotta put the stabilizers back on :(

[+]

demo or it didn't happen, noob!

nice one mate you must be well good @ chess innit

1v1!

WOULD RATHER POKER OR VANILLA DUEL K THX

I play chess since I was 5 years old, though nowadays I rarely got the chance to play it. Anyways, that was 22 years ago, so chess is awesome.

I play it here sometimes:

www.chesscube.com

I played go for about 6 months and ended up quitting because it's absurdly frustrating and time consuming.

It isn't "difficult" but getting to a decent level (lets say 1d) is something we western people can't do.

So basically you got raped then in order for your mental health issues to deal with it you blamed it on some murky genetic thing related to where people are from, despite most of the top ten players of all time being from the west.

http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?title=Top...f_all_time

If you were a sprinter then you could at least blame it on the fact that your genepool was not boosted by the slave trade.

In this case, you are probably just another sociopath on the internet.

what. Stop projecting.

Also....."I played go". Go is not chess. Chess is not go. There aren't dans in chess.

This is a thread about chess, so for you to talk about an obscure two letter game from asia that was not highlighted cos you saw a beautiful mind is not my fault.

I am not familiar with the ranking system in "go" so I had no idea you were referencing this...

yep, owned.

"btw my peak was 10k, so you can say I failed miserably at it lol"

"I think it can be realistically done, by brighter people than me though"

Indeed.

haven't you met people that are smarter or more talented than you are? Should be fairly easy considering you didn't finish high school.

I did finish high school, that is why I know intelligence or talent has nothing to do with whether you finish it or not as the definition of intelligence and talent is both relative and subjective to the task in hand of which you have not defined.

If someone wrote a bit of AI to give that answer to your question, they would probably be called a genius.

On your thread (personality disorders) you said you left high school to work at rare, then didn't reply to anyone who asked you if you finished it afterwards or not. Same in other threads, and we all know you reply to everyone even when they are not talking to you and with unrelated things (see #22 and #31).
Plus you have a record of making shit up for no reason (personality disorders).

Again, haven't you met people that are smarter or more talented than you are? Some phds I've met are on a whole different level than I am, and in lots of activities I encountered persons that had an easier time than me doing and learning things from scratch.
Guess you learn that in Uni, lol.

most people go to school, so they can go to college, so they can go to university, so they can get a job that they enjoy in life that pays a decent salary so they can make a life for themselves. If they are lucky they achieve a start towards this by 23 and come out of it with less than 30k of debt. Many do not and come out in debt.

Its a 4 stage process.

If someone can get from AD by skipping B+C then I would say that person is smarter than someone who needs to spend several years longer and getting in to tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt to do it. Of course it is relative to what he she wants to do, but that is not the issue.

As for making stuff up.... +Ahh the classic imply but never define+

So you didn't finish high school? It truly shows. Also you kept posting on this site in the mean time. It took you days to think something?

edit: As for all the offtopics (more like diversions), the Personality Disorders thread should always be linked every time you post. You are sick.
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2204507

Yes I did finish highschool. I went back and did my A levels a few years later in the evening, and they have been of zero use since.

As for the diversions you say, it is you trying to divert by linking to other threads. I was simply high lighting the sheer number of pathetic attempts you make at diverting things to show. AFTER YOU DID 1st.
http://picturepush.com/public/10315693

You cant even accurately recall how many accounts I have on a website, you are not qualified for anything.

Still nothing about your life I see, no links to your education, no theisis so we can see what a brainy guy you are.

Dont worry, if you say and show nothing, you can carry on pretending you are someone with something to live for.

The irony is, if you were, you would not be hiding behind an alias, sharing nothing about your life like the pathetic nobody that you really are.

never said I'm brainy lol. Actually from your diversions you should see I don't consider myself to be, though I did finish uni like everyone else and in one miles better than what your sheep country offers.

Only thing I'm saying is you have a reputation of making shit up and it is a fact you didn't finish high school when all other people did, so most probably you didn't do it afterwards.

lol stop projecting

name 3 things I have made up with proof and links that I have made each of them up and we can go from there. I have over 18k of posts here, let us see what ratio you work to here.

If by made up you mean you and your little band of gamer retard gaming addicts not believing things I said then I am afraid that does not count given most of you are kinda paranoid and hide behind aliases and clam up when asked to share anything about their life, like you are now...

It is YOU that has a rep of making things up.. Here is a quick reminder with proof.

Go on, lets see what happens when you are presented with a simple task of backing up what you so vehemently claim as a proven fact.


if you have finished Uni you will have various documents online, so I look forward to you letting as all see.

All I read was http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2204507

Are you still bald and fat?

stop projecting.

Its funny isnt it, you talk so much shit, you tell everyone that you had a university degree, then when you asked to backup your catalogue of whiney false claims you resort to the petty little child you are stemmed from all those years of being a pathetic little nobody hiding behind your pc. You cant even hide your flaws when you share nothing about you.

I love putting sociopaths like you under the scope and watch you melt in front of everyone.

You lose. But do try again, always a pleasure stepping on you.

what. You've been doing the same for years, for example you haven't posted your Rare contracts (or your high school diploma for that matter) and there's a whole thread about that. An uni degree is something absurdly common these days rofl.

http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/20...010021.JPG
This is the photo we have of you, so no projection, and you are fat as fuck. Are you still like that?

Its not the same at all, you have shared nothing about you.

Not an name.
Not a picture.
Not an Age.
Not a location.
Not a job.
Not a claim to a job.
Not a uni course.
Not a link to any thesis.
http://picturepush.com/public/10342913

You have shown nothing, not even anything to deny or confirm, because the second you do, the illusion of the internet for someone like you is destroyed.

You are a complete and utter nobody in every sense. But for someone like you, that is still better than what you really are.

Nothing but another cyber tit online with a c drive full of torrents and no id linking back to his real life shit scape of a life.

You are the only one seeking interwebz attention, and most users don't share that info because it is the internet after all. I only put my location because that's my post's context.

Not even czm and jibo (phds) publish their accomplishments and proof of them here, or you for that matter and there's a whole thread about how you got caught lying for years. Moreover after reading your posts (including the one I'm replying to) it's hard to see if you finished high school or not.

so, are you still fat? Diversions everywhere.

Here YOU<<<<< are bringing in my education and work.
That is YOU talking about my life, not the other way around.
http://picturepush.com/public/10343674

You only say it like that cos it fucks you off I talked about making a dime from gaming while sorry sacks of shit like you threw a big chunk of life away thinking someone was gonna pay you millions to play quake and it all blew up in your faces and now you send your days whining that it never worked out.

So what if its the internet, what harm will it do if you tell anyone your name, age, location, where you work and what and where you did a uni course.

Millions do it on facebook and linkedin everyday, people with FAR MORE to lose than you.

CZM has told plenty, we know his name, age location, he studied at princeton, then went to caltech, think he is now doing his phd in europe.

That is information. You have and continued to provide nothing, just sorry unconvincing excuses that all trolls like you share in common.

YOU DO NOT FOOL ME.

Insert next unconvincing answer...

Prostrated in bed fatty? How are your 3 business going on? You know, those that are written in such an informal and childish way it seems a scam....or that you didn't finish high school.

btw I won't read ESR this weekend so don't consider it your interwebz victory if I don't reply in the next days

Just got in actually, nice to see you thinking about me in bed though.
Or just dreading what will happen to you later....

Nice one on avoiding critical points again AND TALKING ABOUT MY LIFE\WORK again and favouring more petty deflection to share nothing about sad ole you.

Do not forget to pretend to be asleep when you dad pops in to use your bottom as a fleshlight tonight, its friday night, your bottoms tight, and daddys gonna pump that shit all night!

There are many 1-6d players in Poland.
Do you think you can get 1d (master rank) in 6 months in any decent, competetive game? How can you play quake?

I think it can be realistically done, by brighter people than me though. A friend of mine is on the verge of it on that time, but being on a club and taking classes over the internet (it is a very addictive game).

From my little interwebz go experience more than 1d (which is still amateur by their standards) requires years and really studying the game hard just to get to second dan, and 5d or more (7 or even pro level...which there are 9) is something only few devoted asians can get if trained since childhood. That's why my goal was 1d and settle because I know I won't surpass that in my life, but failed to even get there and haven't played since that. I'm probably around 20k level now.

edit: btw my peak was 10k, so you can say I failed miserably at it lol. Maybe I'll give it another shot someday, perhaps.

We need chessquaking.

old
-edit- man, got all nostalgic now, used to love some of these, especially quakerally, on my 486 :c

The good old days. :<

If chess was like quake, every time one players king got taken it would spawn randomly on the board next move and have a point system instead.

Obviously it would suck and it does so in quake too.

Round based play is a much better design allround and its quakes demise that it did adapt fully to that realisation.

You lose much?

yes, I used to play against better players, constantly losing, hoping I would learn more.

In hindsight it was probably a mistake, I should have found some players of equal skill to play against. This is on the other pretty hard the way ql is currently structured. Yea, I know your trolling.

awesome game, i really liked it, even competed on some amateur tournaments where i won a moedal and all rofl, but when i learned that to really improve you have read books and memorize openings etc, i said meh i play chess for fun fuck books.

... so if u play quake for fun aswell, ... where are the quake books?


... i have a financal plan for esr (memento_mori :D ) ... release a quake book! ... i cant see nothing else but profit ... i am already throwing cash at my screen and it won take it! WTF.

I like chess when you are not sober. Then I have an excuse for sucking.

I really have little experience with chess and I don't tend to play it.

There are indeed similarities between Chess and Quake, but I guess that's also true for games like StarCraft. I've always considered Quake CTF as a mix between chess and football.

I watch a lot of games analysis nowadays, pretty fascinating if you ask me. I've uploaded an exemple here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqNtANGMLs

You can get a free trial week here if you wanna see more vids:
https://store.chessclub.com/customer/account/create

sc2 is more like poker in my eyes.

comparing quake to chess is rather unfortunate. but... play some chess

true dat.

I'm not a chess pro or anything but I've read a bit about it and it seems there are some similarities between those two (speaking of duel 1v1)

if you have even matched opponents there's always a solution and running speed for example can be neglected, so it becomes a game of position (and not moves) + weapon choice and threat

but I doubt quake has anywhere near the depth, it's been played by the best bots (deep whatever) and those have been beaten too with the experience of hundreds of years of games

Chess is a good game among competent friends, otherwise kind of boring.

Kamsky-Svidler, World Cup, 2011
26... RE2!!

Russians are into quake dueling and chess, coincidentally.

Say it loud: "I'm red and i'm proud!"
Tudum-dum

Nice. Is this from a high level game? The mate seems actually quite simple.

Kamsky fought in the final battle for the world title and not a single time. Svidler is 6-th times champion of Russia. Both won lot of super-tournaments.

The mate seems quite simple IF you knew the Re2!! idea ;) Without it Qg3 would be met by Kc6!

Started playing chess at the not-so-tender age of 13, after having devoured my father's "Josè Raul Capablanca's biography" copy,or whatever the name was.

I got hooked since that very moment, and still am.

Thankfully my parents were generous enough to share and sponsor this interest of mine, buying tons of books (I currently have a bit more than a couple hundreds), lessons with a Fide Master, sets and magazines.

I could not think of anything else, kept playing games in my head, drawing diagrams during classes, and getting my handsets seized by the usual closed-mind overzealous teacher.

Competed till the 16th birthday, reaching an elo of 1900, and the title of under18 provincial champion, beating my master in the process (only once,to be honest).
Not exactly a world record, but not a shabby premise either.

Was it perhaps the lack of competitions, or the dull chess enviroment I grew in?
Real life events perhaps, or harder classes?

Who knows: I can't recall why, but I stopped playing competitively at some time.
I still play some random blitz games on the internet, or read a book before sleeping but, to me,chess is ultimately dead.

Let's face it: it's not the Fischer era anymore.

Chess isn't an unexplored world anymore: with the rise of computers and their incredible calculation strength, chess has started losing its mistery and thus its beauty.

What we see these days are the last straws of "humanized chess": doesn't matter how Carlsen is creative, or the new prodigy kid that will come, it has turned into a memorization race, and the penalization of personal research.

Ideas, strategies, concepts have been quickly declassed: I sometimes give Ninmozwitch's "My system" a read out of pity. Poor guy.
The game has already been won at home, thanks to super processors elaborating new theory, new valuations, spoon feeding teras of information to the modern chess professional player.

To cut this short, in my opinion chess is a fascinatig game that puts both players to the same level, which is only worth playing at amateur levels, in order to be able to understand the depth of professional games.

If you'd like to read a detailed comparison between chess and quake (with examples) I've already written about this time ago: http://www.esreality.com/post/2137064/#pid2137533

This is exactly how I've perceived chess after adolescence and I think this mentality is quickly becoming the norm for such games, which is truly a shame.

So you feel that in this day and age, chess doesn't have the place in gaming society that it once did?

chess used to be not only a sport, but an art.

quoting Fischer: "Chess is life" (sad to realize this was said less than fifty years ago)

It used to be a marvellous display of mental prowess (even if Einstein used to mock Lasker for "wasting" his time and mental efforts in such a trivial way), have a look at Morphy's games, when fianchettos were considered bad and so forth.

Morphy managed to win games against the best players of that time in such a brilliant, effortless way, without having his thoughts bastardized by machines telling him what the best theoretical moves were.

The fancy thing is, Fischer (arguably one of the best players ever, if not the best) was shocked knowing Morphy didn't think more than a couple minutes max for a single move,no matter the intricacies of the position. Everyone is actually, and that's why he's such a legend.

He accomplished destroying the whole world chess competition single handedly, innovating and revolutioning the whole chess gamestyle,whilst having minimal to none knowledge of openings, endgames and so forth.


That is what chess used to be, and it is to me: a mental friendly challenge between two people with the same knowledge, on even grounds. Pretty much like a quake duel.

Objectively speaking, chess never had a real "place" in gaming society, except for the fischer-spassky propaganda during the cold war.

look at games from carlsen or nakamura, the games are won seldomly in the opening, often in equal middlegames with fighting spirit ...

kramnik is also a player to look on ... same is true for caruana ...

it's true you don't see so many non mainline openings nowadays ...
but still carlsen, nakamura, kramnik play non mainline openings against 26xx opposition which is not too bad ...

it's true the internet destroyed club chess ... it's sad ... if the internet wasn't there, many many more people would come to the club and play ... now (competetive) on the board chess will soon face the same fate as lan parties and will be a thing of the past ...
maybe this process still takes 20-30 years, but it will happen

I am currently inactive, but I might play soon again ...
but it's sad you don't know what to look forward to, not many people, especially not the good players come to the club evenings ... there is no good mentality in chess clubs, noone wants to reach anything, only few players go to tournaments, many just play their teamchampionchip and that's it ... and in chess many people can't respect other players, even if you try to correct them after they lose to you, they cannot take your help, because they feel that they are superior players although their elo is more than 200 points below yours ...

The thing is, when you say "opening" you don't really mean it.
I remember Ruy Lopez lines being theoretical till the 35-40th move line, for example.
(edit: in normal tournament games, at the 40th game mark, you get an adjourment of the game and you're free to analyze the position with a computer or with other people)

The point is, these "equal middlegames with fighting spirit" as you put them now are simply a natural consequence of heavily theoretical lines, where both players are already accustomed to their themes, ideas, and positions.
It used to happen before as well, with the exception of dozens of standardized moves on both parts.

Sure, they're still thinking with their own heads, in the same way a shootmania player is spamming rockets and winning rounds. The analogy isn't flawless, but you got the idea.
Raw calculus skill isn't an exclusive of Carlsen (despite how impressive he is, he's a beast) or nakamura, it happened before and will still happen, that's granted.

When was a new move in a deeply theoretical position introduced nowadays? You can't remember? Me neither, honestly.
And even if it was found, it wasn't a human discovery.



Playing non mainline openings isn't exactly a wrong move: quite the opposite, when you consider that sometimes the only difference between an elite GM and a strong one is the amount of theory memorized.
Furthermore, I could mention Fischer playing (and winning) with the Alekhine opening (notorious for being horrible, according to theory) in the '72 world match against Spassky, who wasn't that low in comparison to him, elo-wise (and Spassky actually used to cream Fischer until the 3rd world match game, so he's a better example rather than the "weak" "26xx competition" you mention).


But yes, i ultimately agree with you, especially when you mention the mentality in clubs nowadays,and the whole sportsmanship thing.
Envy has taken the place of admiration, unfortunately.
Money, instead of glory.

you don't have to play the ruy lopey mainline if you don't want to ...
for example after Bb5 you can just play Ng-e7 as nakamura did against dominguez just two days ago, you can also play Bc5 lines against Bb5, you don't have to play Bb5 as white, you can play instead Bc4 or the Scotch, even the king's gambit is played by the likes of ivanchuk or grischuk sometimes, there is also the vienna game.
You can see kramnik playing the pirc against smeets who is rated 26xx, you see carlsen and others play this, carlsen also played the benko-gambit against aronian or the alekhine against topalov, both with success ... maybe on 27xx level these openings might not be playable, but below they are and I am pretty sure more normal moves like Ng-e7 gainst Bb5 spanish is even playable on the highest level ...

it's true chess has to do a lot with memory, I know a lot of uncreative players who always play the same openings, they know exactly when to move which pawns, if they attack, just take the dragon players they know exactly what to do in the endgame, because they know the dragon pawnstructures inside and out ...
they do they standard exchange sacrifices, not because they are thinking of it themselves and thus create something unique, they more or less just copy paste the moves they learned in their books ...

well there are not that many novelties and many novelties are somehow aided by a computer but nowadays you don't get really an opening advantage anywhere with perfect play for white ... so sometimes the players analyze 2nd or 3rd rate moves with the engine and if they create some material imbalance and still maintain equality they analyze these positions and play it and their opponents will have a hard time to find the right moves because they are surprised and not prepared ...

but it's true the more I know about chess, the more I find out it's all about opening theory ... the more you know about the middlegame plans, typical pawnstructures and plans for the endgame, the more likely you are to win ... many players know the attack patterns in the sicilian inside and out, know exactly when to move h4, g4 and in which manner to advance the pawns ... and there are many many players who repeatedly over and over again go for these same structures and always play the same positions, unable to play anything creative themselves ... and they are pretty successful with it ...

right now I just play blitz on the internet (icc), just play what I feel like ... 1.e4, 1.d4, 1.c4, 1.Nf3, 1.b3, 1.g3, when playing e4 I sometimes play open sicilian, c3-sicilian or the closed, or against the french I play Nd2 or the King's indian attack ... against e5 I play Bc4, Bb5 spanish exchange, king's gambit ...
same with black ... king's indian, benoni, a6 slav, sicilian, e4-e5 ...
just random openings, after a while playing everything you get basic understanding of the openings, I know that I don't much about details, which is what matters the most in serious play, but this way it's just more fun for me ... and somehow I don't go wrong much in the openings ... it's very rarely I am completely lost after 20 moves, often it's better for me or it's equal ...

you know fischer introduced chess960, the backrow is shuffled there and you get 960 unique starting positions, I think this might be a possible future for chess, in this kind of chess you need much more chess understanding and you can create a lot of moves your selves, but the downside is, the somehow the classic chess starting position is the best, because the development is much faster suits better attacks

I was thinking the chess960 rules could be modified such that the king and queen have to be on the d file or the e file, and the rooks are in the same place as with regular chess. Positions are still mirrored for black.

This allows some shuffling, but reduces the wackiness of 960 positions of which some may simply be bad for black.

However this limits the total starting positions down to a paltry 32 :-/

I thought maybe you could not mirror the positions for black, and this would greatly increase the number of possible starting positions however I suspect this may allow some advantaged positions. Not sure.

What I like about this most is that castling is almost completely normal, whereas it's downright odd in chess960.

meaning you just want to shuffle the knights and bishops...

..and the queens and kings between d1 and e1. Although yeah, if the knights and bishops are in the same place as in original chess this just makes for mirrored positions.

In the case of white and black having different piece placements though, this could make a significant difference.

Probably the greatest post I read on ESR. Insightful and emotional.

try chess960

with chess you can fill a lifetime.

but on some point it can become really boring. you wont be good at chess without studying several books and memorize a lot of moves / openings.

ofc its also a mistake avoidances game.

Sounds like starcraft really

Now I'm actually kind of interested in picking up chess.

I just hope it doesn't go the way of LAN parties though. Sure, it has been around for 800+ years, but computers have drastically changed our world, and continue to change it drastically each coming year.

>.>

I go through periods where I play an fps game, and then chess, then back to fps.

Chess is wonderful since they are always opponents, and the game is completely fair as there are no pings/computer systems to worry about really.

You can get very strong spending very little money if you work hard.

It has a playerbase with a more mature over-all attitude than any FPS gaming community. There's always someone better so it's difficult to get a big head, and even if you are very strong, you can't expect to win every game, only perform at a high level.

Unlike fps games where there are few serious guides, there are a huge number of books written about chess. Plenty are fascinating reads even if you don't learn much that would help you in-game.

Also unlike fps games, it is ultra easy to find and play against opponents of similar playing strength.

When it comes to playing chess on the computer, it's very very easy to save games. There's always a clear reason why you lost that you can find and learn from. In fps games you can watch demos, but you may easily attribute your loss to nebulous factors such as being off your game or the other guy being lucky.

Chess is practically devoid of luck, or rather I should say, it is very easy to view chess as such. In fps games even on lan with identical systems and identical players, you would still have spawn luck. Nothing comparable exists in chess.

Chess, while it lacks the "adrenaline" and "quick fix" of an fps game, has a kind of fascinating mysteriousness sometimes, as you try to grasp the truth of a position or game.

The depth of chess is beyond comprehension. I've had training sessions with some international masters, that showed me that in some positions I felt I understood completely, that I really knew nothing, and I watched them pull moves and ideas seemingly out of nowhere. Then to think that, they end up having the same experience as I do, as the next tier of player after them can do the same, and this goes on for a few more levels.

It's a wonderful game and I wish I wasn't such a quake addict and had the patience to study it the way I think it should be studied.

I like it a lot but I am always around 1400's, shit. I don't have the time to put in to become better. Play once in a while, good fun.

I picked up chess 3 days ago

I'm on my way to the world championships

About computers beating humans,

http://www.wired.com/playbook/2012/09/deep-blue-computer-bug/

:) :)

no way, nooo wayyyyy ... and the comments,... dude, nice link ty :D

chess is shit... cant be played at picmic 16 ... id fix it already.

chess can be played in ascii - mode actually ...
picmic 16 is for babies, ascii is there it's at

There should be a Quake title in NetHack's universe.

Only way to play chess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5TQSKmS3o