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<< Comment #1 @ 18:34 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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nowaynsm

nice nice nice. i try to do it. 1/30 times :0

<< Comment #2 @ 18:48 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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twister

When interviewing the players for the Rising Stars Cup I have asked them to prive a good demo of themselves. So it's from here.

Edited by twister_ at 18:59 CDT, 30 May 2012

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<< Comment #3 @ 18:59 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #2

whoops, i totally missed that. good work. silly my, didnt even see those interviews :(
will just edit my main post and link to this

Edited by Nukm at 19:01 CDT, 30 May 2012

<< Comment #4 @ 19:22 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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twister

By the way just randomely stumbled upon another nice play by baksteen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFr2HrBgGmw

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<< Comment #5 @ 19:47 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #4

i love duel frags like this, creative play ftw

<< Comment #6 @ 20:28 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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rehepapp

he has more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxHT_3NroV8&am...mp;list=UL

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<< Comment #7 @ 20:30 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #6

and more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urL6Zj1J794&am...mp;list=UL

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<< Comment #13 @ 22:20 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #7

DAYUMMM

<< Comment #84 @ 14:54 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #6

ow shit.... this guy... is just so fucking amazing...

<< Comment #8 @ 20:57 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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foctis

videos on this page -> backsteen is my new favourite player

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Edited by foctis at 20:57 CDT, 30 May 2012

<< Comment #9 @ 20:59 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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frs

baksteen is now officially my favorite dueller because of pink floyd

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<< Comment #352 @ 08:37 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Legless - Reply to #9

What about me? :c

Edited by Pink Floyd at 08:50 CST, 9 November 2012

<< Comment #10 @ 21:19 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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Gobotz

brilliant and simple

<< Comment #11 @ 21:56 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

kewl

<< Comment #12 @ 22:18 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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melechesh '

BAKSTEEN IS THE MAN

<< Comment #14 @ 22:21 CDT, 30 May 2012 >>

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melechesh '

Also I have a feeling p0ni will put this trick to good use @ DH, suits his playstyle.

<< Comment #15 @ 00:53 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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2pak

awesome

<< Comment #16 @ 04:36 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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FlashSoul

Very nice! It's now on my list of tricks to master (with wallclip b2r).

<< Comment #17 @ 05:32 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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smreism - Reply to #16

never tried it but looks easy...
i think its harder to do a RJ on dm13 from RA to shaft YA...so you can make another RJ right away..you know ..that place that is a spawn as well.

fkin nice rjs by becky, props

<< Comment #26 @ 07:34 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #17

every of this jumps are easy compared to RA -> RL with one rocket, on dm13.

<< Comment #30 @ 08:53 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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smreism - Reply to #26

you mean to the 25hp with the ledges thingy? ...or directly to the platform? :P

<< Comment #33 @ 09:31 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #30

I meant RJ directly from RA to the platform with rl and 50hp bubble. :)
it's as hard as the rj on ztn from the ground in the middle of MH and RG (where shards are placed) to RA.

Both of these RJs are very hard to do, but they're possible.

Edited by Ffleri at 09:32 CDT, 31 May 2012

<< Comment #47 @ 11:31 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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smreism - Reply to #33

yea, that is probably not in-game material

<< Comment #52 @ 12:12 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #47

true. these nadejumps are master-able though. they come in handy too, for example when your opponent kills you, runs into LG room (or another room), you spawn at RA, take it, take GL, do the jump and u can cut him off anywhere

<< Comment #122 @ 06:46 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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smreism - Reply to #52

yea man, we were talking about those RA to RL platform rocketjumps not beeing ingame stuff. your nade jumps are nice. for some reason i keep thinking you go to dreamhack.

<< Comment #123 @ 06:47 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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smreism - Reply to #33

ok, ui tried the wallclip b2r. didnt work in 5 tries or so. so i guess its tough.

<< Comment #18 @ 05:42 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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mouse*

like a boss quake needs more creative moves like this also more defrag heavy maps

<< Comment #19 @ 05:52 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio :

This garbage would not work against anyone remotely decent, which when you consider the map/game in question is 10 years old, there's a good chance of meeting that very person.

I'll take the jump pad, collect the SG, and the extra 3 shards and have an extra 55 armour and 15 (the move seems to use 15 health and 40 armour) health and not subject myself to being shafted to death in an open space with a lavepit below and optimum spawn rape potential.

Edited by Jamerio at 05:55 CDT, 31 May 2012

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<< Comment #20 @ 06:48 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Horvi - Reply to #19

what are you talking about imbecile? it was against p0ni, 2100+ elo dueller.

<< Comment #22 @ 07:04 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #20

It "worked" becuase it was a new move, as soon as players know it exists it'll be toxic.

And since when does one frag mean something works?

Its possible to frag someone with a pummel, it still does not change the fact that 9/10 you try and use the move it'll backfire.

Imbercile.

<< Comment #21 @ 07:01 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #19

1. Wake up
2. Realize what a failure your life is
3. Troll on ESR
4. Edit post

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<< Comment #23 @ 07:15 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #21

That's a nice prologue for your autobiograhy but I think it needs to be a bit longer.

I'm not trolling I'm making a genuine point, the move will hardly ever be used because its dangerous and you can save 15 health and 55 armour + SG and more cover by going the jump pad or rocket jumping. Not to mention you can't hear shit from so low down on the map.

If your stupid ass wants to do that in game carry on, and when you're LG'd into the lava while giving the opponent superior spawn rape potenial then carry on.

Keep your head up, the dole cheque is on its way.

<< Comment #25 @ 07:29 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #23

"the move will hardly ever be used"

If you actually had more than 30 IQ and re-read your own comments before posting, you *might* just realize you already know many of the answers to your own questions and doubts.

<< Comment #28 @ 08:16 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #25

I did not ask any questions about what I ever said on the matter and I certainly have no doubts about what I said. Learn to read.

If you'd like to link to something you've done in the real world that shows your IQ is beyond a terminated fetus I'll be happy to read it.

Didn't think so....

<< Comment #29 @ 08:24 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #28

owned once again by your own superiority complex

<< Comment #43 @ 11:08 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #29

Didn't think so :)

<< Comment #44 @ 11:25 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #43

:)

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lukee - Reply to #44

(:

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melechesh ' - Reply to #64

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<< Comment #107 @ 19:15 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #69

O_O

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melechesh ' - Reply to #107

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<< Comment #118 @ 06:14 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #108

^.^

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wrong person - Reply to #118

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melechesh ' - Reply to #132

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Joker_ - Reply to #140

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<< Comment #318 @ 16:35 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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Susta1nz - Reply to #167

i like d1ck sandwich.

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<< Comment #89 @ 15:04 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #23

exactly... its dangerous... thats why ur opponent wont be expecting this 90% of time...

why the fuck av3k is so good? because he will push you at ridiculous moments, when ur not prepared... and after his first rocket you know how much screwed you are...

<< Comment #129 @ 07:37 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #23

They are right. You are in fact a moron.

Often on DM13 it is advantageous to RJ to upper level, even if he has a LG, just to not give away yellows and positional control. If he already has a LG it requires a stack considerable larger than his. You will lose a lot of it, but same goes if you dont jump up.

Let's say mega is up and the enemy is at top tier. He can then rain rockets down, do damage and delay you enough for him to take yellows. In that case you might as well have been better off sacrificing the armor to begin with and kill him before he capitalized on his position, and then restack yourself afterwards while he spawns.

It's a situational jump that can be nessesary even against good opponents. Obviously if you have to do the jump up against the enemy, then Baksteen's nade jump allows you to do damage with shaft just like you saw.

Edited by GEKKO- at 21:05 CDT, 2 June 2012

<< Comment #295 @ 16:12 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #23

Jamerio, no matter what people say about you being an absolute moron, that you're on wrong side of mentally retarded and that you're a habitual liar, you do have a knack for making me a laugh.

<< Comment #35 @ 09:59 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #19

to be fair though, he makes a impressive move that at least i haven't seen before on a _10 year_ old map. that in itself is pretty decent wouldn't you say?

<< Comment #48 @ 12:00 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #35

Coming up with something new and mostly ineffective is easy, go and spam nades on some maps and calculate the velocity potential, you'll see hundreds of combinations that you've never bothered to look for before because you've always looked for the most effective things and things like this are not it.

Honestly, without trying, you would probably find dozens, upload a demo of you doing it once against someone, keep the failed attempts quiet and you get to look like a boss.

But the special ones will know the difference between a gimmick and real innovation.

I am one such player, so I cannot be happy for this.

<< Comment #67 @ 13:42 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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2pak - Reply to #48

why dont you play baksteen and show us how a "special one" does it then? :>

<< Comment #100 @ 16:57 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #67

He isn't saying he could, his point is completely different and I agree with him. Things like this are gimmicky and are the sort of thing you can pull off once before everyone is aware of it and it becomes useless. As a method for reaching the upper part of the map without a rocket jump it holds some value, used like it was in this video it can only work once. It's the sort of thing you should practice and pull off one time only, in a huge game, and absolutely stun everyone and maybe win what would become an all time classic game just based on that one amazing move.

<< Comment #103 @ 17:18 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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2pak - Reply to #100

yes but you could say that about every other move in quake as well. if your opponent knew what you're gonna do before you do it ofc he's gonna be prepared and rape you. but the reason why ppl don't play absolutely perfect games is because they make mistakes, they get caught by surprise etc.

there are countless examples / demos of "normally dumb moves but under the right circumstances brilliant attacks" that are far easier to pull off than this grenade jump. i think it's just about the right context; so yea, i agree with your last sentence but i disagree that this move is useless once everybody knows about it.

<< Comment #106 @ 18:49 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #100

this is highly situational tho. being aware of an odd but possible move by your opponent is not the same thing as expecting him to do it EVERY time. so i wouldnt diminish the value by calling it a mere gimmick. a gimmick would some sort of plasma climb to grenade to rj combo which would be next to impossible to do in a real game. this is very much doable and depending on the situation very much surprising.

ps: i have to admit the fawning does become annoying after a bit. also lets stop saying that this is a new move on a 10 year old map. it isnt. it wasnt possible in the q3 version because of the location of the tele exit. not that that makes it any less creative, the map in its current version still has been around for a while. just saying.

<< Comment #117 @ 05:54 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #100

hiding behind a wall with RL out still surprises people?

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<< Comment #125 @ 07:02 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #117

full of win

<< Comment #126 @ 07:22 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #117

Retarded much? Who would consider a move thats been used since the start of quake a gimmick?

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Joker_ - Reply to #126

a newbie

<< Comment #127 @ 07:34 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #100

same thing i replied to jamerio[and he didnt reply because he knows im right]...

av3k, one of best duellers atm, is know for doing totally stupid things, like pushing you with sg when ur stacked like hell... yet, hes top dueller...

you know, theres this thin line between stupid and risky moves... stupid actions will fail, risky will mostly make a lot of good...

doing such jump once in while is more risky than stupid

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vor_ - Reply to #127

The things Avek does are unexpected with little to no warning. A grenade jump to attack someone is unexpected once, but beyond that you can always see and/or hear the grenade there waiting to pop the guy up. He probably didn't reply because you're a spastic, you're the same guy who thought aim can't be trained. Enough said.

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<< Comment #136 @ 07:50 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #133

knowing theres a nade spammed isnt exactly the same as knowing its gonna be used to jump :-)

also, baksteen knew p0ni dont have lg, so it was unexpected+not really dangerous for baksteen... i just won whole argument, with my awesomness

ps. aim cant be trained, otherwise after 10 years of q3/ql there would be only toxic/strenx like players... theres not, sorry to prove how awesom i am... again

<< Comment #138 @ 08:07 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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scowl - Reply to #136

That's like saying football/tennis/tabletennis/swimming can't be trained because otherwise -- after way more than 10 years - there would only be Messi/Nadal/Boll/Phelps like athletes.

Deliberate practice plays a huge role in developing expertise of any kind.

<< Comment #141 @ 08:18 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #138

every person have his limits, and no matter how much he will pracc - wont overcome them... you can pracc to reach ur max aiming abilities... BUT you wont improve them beyond this point...

why there are good and bad tennis players?:> cause not everyone can be good, no matter how much they will pracc...

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scowl - Reply to #141

And which factors determine these 'limits' you are assuming to be there? You'll have to back up your opinion with some actual facts and not only these vague assumptions.

Research in expertise shows that experts aren't better than non-experts in terms of simple reaction times or other basal skills.

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why there are good and bad tennis players?

Because, among other things, some have practiced more persisently and more efficiently than others.

Edited by scowl at 08:29 CDT, 1 June 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #142

are you asking about quake or overall?

overall: good mentality, open mind, physical feats, ability to follow tactics etc etc...[most apply to quake aswell]

Every game is complicated, with lots of aspects... you can neglect bad aim by good positioning, lack of power in tennis by smart movement on the court...

PS. i already proved to you[and many other] that such limits exists, somehow ur to retarded to understand simple examples i made last time... also, you dont support urself with facts aswell, so i dont give a fuck, this thread is about jamerio being stupid.

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scowl - Reply to #146

i already proved to you[and many other] that such limits exists

Lol nope, you never proved anything. You can't prove stuff by giving some worthless examples.

But I remember having the exact same discussion with you before and you never plausibly explained your 'x can't be trained' theory.

The only point you're making is that some people will eventually be better at x than other people. I can't disagree with this.
That has nothing to do with x being trainable or not, though.

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hitsu - Reply to #165

if u find some of the best players in quake worthless then ok.

anyway, for me its obvious the only reason why 2 guys cant be equal at "x" as you called it are personal limitations... theres no other logic way to explain it...

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2pak - Reply to #170

for the medieval people it was obvious that lightning and storm was the wrath of the gods... there was no other logic way to explain it...

what im saying is: only because you cant explain something to yourself doesn't mean that you have "proven" anything, much less by giving a couple of allegorical examples.

Edited by 2pak at 20:41 CDT, 1 June 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #195

first of all, medieval ppl were either christians or naturists[native americans, asians]... so no they did find storms wrath of gods...

secondly, its not logic explanation... my opinion is based on personal experiance, and examples of known players like pavel, rapha, baksteen, agent etc

also, non of ppl who tried to argue with me never provided either proofs the aim can be trained, or other explanation why ppl with long playtime aim worse than some newbs

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2pak - Reply to #200

the bible is full of natural disasters being the direct result of the wrath of god, sodom and gomorrha, noahs ark and so on, but lets not discuss some bs, im sure you know what i meant.

im not saying you are wrong (but also not that you are right) - just that personal experience, examples and abscence of other proof doesnt constitute proof in itself; there may be many other explanations why ppl arent as good as rapha or djokovic besides a natural limit of abilities.

one natural limit i could probably get behind is physical height, i.e a midget won't be able to participate in the NBA no matter how hard he trains (note: this is not a proof ;)).

<< Comment #206 @ 06:56 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #205

the bible is full of natural disasters that never took place, get ur facts straight...

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2pak - Reply to #206

all right, i see i wasted my time

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hitsu - Reply to #207

nope, u wasted my time

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2pak - Reply to #208

maybe, but your time is worthless

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<< Comment #212 @ 08:30 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #210

priceless*

here, fixed it for you :-)

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2pak - Reply to #212

:D thx

<< Comment #232 @ 12:26 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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scowl - Reply to #170

anyway, for me its obvious the only reason why 2 guys cant be equal at "x" as you called it are personal limitations... theres no other logic way to explain it...

You can't be serious.
So you are saying that every single player has trained his abilites in every single task he's doing regularly to such an extent that he has reached his personal limitations and can't possibly improve any more? Is this some kind of joke? Are you even aware of the kind of bullshit claims you are making?

The most obvious explanation why 2 guys aren't equally good at a task is that one of them has put more deliberate practice into it.

You still didn't explain how 'personal limitations' would lead to aim being 'untrainable'. If anything, personal limitations would mean that aim is only trainable to a certain extent.
But for this limitation to be meaningful, you'd have to establish that everyone has (been) trained to his maximum abilities. In Quake, where professional training doesn't even exist, this surely isn't the case.

I'll bet you anything that agent has put much less effort than strenx in systematically training his aim. Rapha just recently had much better aim than strenx on LAN (remember that toxicitiy match?), so even rapha isn't a valid example for 'personal limitations', either.

Edited by scowl at 12:27 CDT, 2 June 2012

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Jamerio : - Reply to #232

Ahh that gem :)

Needs a translator TBH.

Edited by Jamerio at 13:11 CDT, 2 June 2012

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gra!n3 - Reply to #237

I would translate if it wasnt for you :)

<< Comment #285 @ 14:06 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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2pak - Reply to #232

i guess this thread far exceeds his "personal limitation" of excercising basic logic, so dont bother.

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<< Comment #324 @ 09:59 CDT, 6 June 2012 >>

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asus_boom - Reply to #142

talent?

<< Comment #325 @ 10:35 CDT, 6 June 2012 >>

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scowl - Reply to #324

OMG thanks, I totally forgot about all those scientific methods that precisely measure 'talent for aiming'. Awesome post, five stars.

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asus_boom - Reply to #325

You ask why there are good and bad tennis players, i answered you short and precise.The top elite players are only diversed by small special components skillwise which result from their talents and thats how it is in all sports. But it seems like there is no really arguing with you since you only make ironic answers in form of questions. Are you here for annoying and trolling or to talk? If its for the first two : "aha, bye" :)

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scowl - Reply to #328

Even if this was the case -- and afaik there's no way of measuring 'talent' that allows us to distinguish the top2 from the top10 in the world, so it's only an unproven claim --, this point is completely irrelevant in Quake, because professional training which is carefully designed to push players to their maximum abilities just doesn't exist.

<< Comment #214 @ 08:56 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #136

to be accurate, strenx's aim is mostly due to his extra-low sensitivities, he couldn't do what he does with rapha, coller or cypher acceleration. Just sayin'

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hitsu - Reply to #214

his extra low sensitivities, which are getting higher since he bootcamped with cypher and av3k?

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nex1 : - Reply to #218

yes, his extra low sensitivities, which may have get higher but still stays extra low, the lowest between the pros

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hitsu - Reply to #219

ok, lets make an experiment... set ultra low senitivity, and lets see if u can hit 40%lg, 50rail, and decent rockets in a normal duel game :-)

low sens=/= decent aim... it ofc can help you, but wont make you aim like strenx

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nex1 : - Reply to #220

completely off topic...... it is indeed weel known that is not enough to use the pro's cfgs to become pros | ]
that is what i said:
"he couldn't do what he does with rapha, coller or cypher acceleration"
...."he" means strenx

<< Comment #224 @ 11:15 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #222

and they are not able to do same stuff as strenx, because of this accel...

he has his own path, and it works

<< Comment #280 @ 13:06 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #224

by the way: could you explain me how to do the things that someone else do could change a fact? are you able to aim like a pro?

<< Comment #310 @ 11:30 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #224

"he has his own path, and it works"
no, he has the only path that keep him in the high players tier; without his good aim, he couldn't win, and reach the level he reached; so, to keep him high his only way is to constantly outaim the opponent, even sacrifying the movement fastness or comfort, that still would be useless for him, considering that his playstyle is based on the aim, definitely not on outsmarting the opponent, keeping control, better positioning, better timing, more fastness, etc..

"and they are not able to do same stuff as strenx, because of this accel..."

not really....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bG8lqZoUwM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n0ZeavgQsQ&am...871629900E

Yes, his opponents usually doesn't aim as well like him, but that is because they don't want to use such a low, unfittable sensitivity; rapha wouldn't be so fast running around the map, so reactive; cypher, for example, has an accuracy only little lower than strenx's one, but with his sens could aim like him for sure, and still having a better timing/nerves/map positioning choices.

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hitsu - Reply to #310

you obviously know shit about strenx gameplay...

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Jamerio : - Reply to #127

Know you're right, or I think you're so stupid and behind my ability you would take 30 replies to convince and I'm too busy today?

Av3k does NOTHING like those gimmicky nade things, your comparison was not valid, but you pretend like it was.
If you want to spam nades from low down where you give the opponent several seconds warning then be my guest.

I lol at the influx of 0-12 months accounts on ESR from people pretending they are experts cos they played quakelive for a year and think they know it all.

you know shit compared to me.

<< Comment #149 @ 09:03 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #147

1. it is valid, go watch av3k matches, he takes very calculated risks, just like baksteen did.
2. it worked, and not once but at least twice... that says more than 1000 of bullcrap comments you can make... in right situation [no lg, no rockets] it will work against anyone, just because of pure stack advantage and suprise effect...

ofc mr super street fighter pro, who didnt play quake for years knows better, just because he could be top dueller if he want... sadly, as long as u dont prove how good @ nowadays quake you can be, noone will take you serious...

also, my experiance with quake is irrevalant, as i did play other fps games before, for long time, and i did quite good... smart ppl like me[unlike retards with attention problem like you] will always get quickly into any game...

<< Comment #160 @ 11:11 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #149

backsteen only got those kills because the move (in this exact situation) is new and unexpected and the amount of times it cost him kills were not shown.

Now that people know, they'll be ready for it and its easy to see and hear several seconds before it can possibly happen which is just want you want in a duel...not

You imply a lot about Av3k but unsurprisngly define nothing about these apparent examples you try and hide behind which I'm pretty sure are not like this.

Edited by Jamerio at 11:13 CDT, 1 June 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #160

baksteen got this kills because he was aware of weapons his enemy had... srsly, plasma isnt the best weapon to use against any moving target...

now even if ppl will know this move, if they have only plasma and mg they still wont be able to counter this jump...

i assume poni had shotgun aswell, but it still doesnt make too much differance, even if u got p0nis aim...

now i could make some examples of crazy avek, but if you are as inteligent as you pretend to, you will agree with me: it was good move in given circumstances... copying it in similar situation will also work

<< Comment #128 @ 07:34 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #100

Well if he has enough of theese small gimmicks they cant prepapre for all of them :p
The beauty in the move is that he applies instant preassure to the one above since he has the right weapon for the situation.
One of the movies in the top shows him do it on iddqd like 3-4 times in a row :D? he is around 2k duel elo.

<< Comment #153 @ 10:02 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #128

also used in correct situation this nade jump is better than rj, because you can shoot immediatly any weapon you want. you can't do it often, but in the right circumstances it's a very cool move to throw your opponent off.

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amOKchen - Reply to #153

thats kinda what i meant with instant pressure :>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #35

But here lies your problem, you're impressed and limited by your own knowledge but you still think I should be impressed by it cos you are.

You have not seen it 10 years ago becuase it was not possible 10 years ago or anywhere close to that.

Now you've exposed yourself as someone who doesn't fully understand the actions of his accolades and admiration for something, but still think other people should be impressed by waht you did and this is a large portion of the internet.

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Bluder - Reply to #101

i guess you didn't insult me enough the first time so you had an other go.
sure i have 'exposed' myself and you are great, there you go... feeling better?

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Jamerio : - Reply to #105

Yeah kinda. You see it as bad now, but you'll think more the next time you talk about something and hopefully put a more solid point out there.

No pain, no gain.

<< Comment #116 @ 05:48 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #114

Ah yes, an other victory for the king of nerds in a argument only he perceived as an argument.
better make a .gif animation fast for later use! the prince of forums should never be ill equipped!

<< Comment #148 @ 08:56 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #116

I didn't see it as an argument as your initial perception of what was being done was greater than it was stemming from your own lack of knowledge but misplaced belief that you were right.

I just pointed out you were so wrong and so convinced of your actions that I felt it was worth highlighting cos it happens a lot around here and only when people are made to realise the error of their ways on things they are sure of do they improve.

<< Comment #175 @ 13:37 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #148

Ah yes, i was very "convinced"... only a true hero of teh internet can over exaggerate something that most others would call a pretty laid back comment into something spectacular that need to be fought and won in a forum... if these things gives you joy and gets you trough the day i will gladly give it to you mate.

<< Comment #40 @ 10:20 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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random99 - Reply to #19

Listen to this guy, he demonstrated his superior tactics at esr lan.

"ouch gg"

<< Comment #24 @ 07:26 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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madbringer

Quickly becoming a fan.

<< Comment #27 @ 08:00 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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zoot

Holy fuck.. these vids of Baksteen that are being posted.

I'm also becoming a huge fanboy..

<< Comment #31 @ 08:56 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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smreism

if he turns out good on lan, its gonna be really nice games. hes got brain i think. i cannot tell for sure because i�m just mid skilled at best so i don�t quiet see it.

<< Comment #32 @ 09:28 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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c1

n1 but not sick
sick is doing nade + rocket jump and gain over 20.000ups or sth like that

<< Comment #34 @ 09:49 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #32

for me the sick part is finding a new, cool but also useful jump on a duel map that has been played for years

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Weird ' - Reply to #34

and you think this is... hmmm funny :)

<< Comment #38 @ 10:18 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #36

can you elaborate or just want to down talk?

i guess you want to say that it is not useful? i think its a neat way to get to rl when you dont have rockets for example. not sure about combat situations when the surprise advantage is gone once people expect it, but i would still think there are certain weapon / hp / time left scenarios where it could be a good option

Edited by Nukm at 10:21 CDT, 31 May 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #38

my favourite part was iddqd_ru taking an unexpected rocket to the face, as baksteen's RL did not need to reload after what he suspected was a regular rocketjump

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Weird ' - Reply to #38

it's ok in usefullness although jumping up because you're out of rockets isn't really the best reason for doing this move.
Just saying that it's not new...

<< Comment #53 @ 12:20 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #49

well thats always the reaction you see when something "new" being posted. but ofc its (almost) never new, as in world first. its just that its not commonly known and thats why it should be shared.

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twister - Reply to #49

Feel free to post a demo of you doing it before him.

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baksteen - Reply to #56

funny thing is he said he saw someone do it in q3 in 2004. all versions of dm13 in q3 had a diffrent teleporter exit spot so he's trolling

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<< Comment #73 @ 14:20 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #70

ROFL

<< Comment #75 @ 14:24 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #70

:DDD

<< Comment #78 @ 14:26 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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frs - Reply to #70

ahahahaha

<< Comment #82 @ 14:41 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #70

where did he say he saw someone do it in 2004?

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baksteen - Reply to #82

i played some duels with him some minutes ago. then he explained me how he saw someone else do it in q3 round 2004. when I told him it was impossible because of the teleporter exit he was like " :/ "

Nice try Weird ;)

Edited by baksteen at 15:03 CDT, 31 May 2012

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h8m3 - Reply to #87

you're lying cause you're jealous he gonna win dreamhack

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Weird ' - Reply to #70

I nade jump on other ppl's nades all the time as well m8....
anyway if someone wants to go through all my demos to see where I did a similar jump in ql he's welcome...

Edited by Weird at 15:57 CDT, 31 May 2012

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #94

Ok, I'll do it.

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Weird ' - Reply to #102

got an ftp I can upload it to?

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #111

I'm sorry, I thought you were joking :c

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dansen - Reply to #94

doesnt nade jumping on others nades do more damage? similarly to how enemy rocket splash does more damage than your own?`

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Weird ' - Reply to #184

interresting question.... I don't actually know.
I would assume it's the same damage but perhaps doing it on other ppl's nades is more prone to slight misstiming -> more dmg... but not quite sure.

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dansen - Reply to #186

it's got nothing to do with timing.

duck and rocket the floor beneath you get less than 50 damage.
get a rocket beside you from the enemy probably results in 70 damage.

i'd assume same goes for grenades.

Edited by dansen at 03:14 CDT, 2 June 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #197

i think the reason has to do with the fact that you are 'untouchable' by your own projectiles

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SenT!neL - Reply to #184

in q3 it works just like the rocket splash: max. 50 damage from your own nades, max. 100 damge from enemy nades
I don't think they changed that for ql

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T1E ' - Reply to #192

they actually changed that in ql

for rocket splash: max 42 on yourself, max 84 on the opponent

for gl it should be the same

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SenT!neL - Reply to #196

ah ok, forgot that they reduced the splash damage. the self knockback was increased though or wasn't it?

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GEKKO- - Reply to #70

I'm afraid its something much more sad and pitiful.

Being a bitter person that just wants to be proven right and better knowing than everyone else at all times, is not the same as troll.

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twister - Reply to #36

so much envy in one post.

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Weird ' - Reply to #39

heads up... I don't envy people.

<< Comment #65 @ 13:28 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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c1 - Reply to #39

I said its n1

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twister - Reply to #65

..what makes you think I was replying to you?

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c1 - Reply to #66

it looked like for me

Edited by c1 at 14:27 CDT, 31 May 2012

<< Comment #37 @ 10:18 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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random99

Add me to baksteen fan club \o/

Edited by nex.hr at 10:20 CDT, 31 May 2012

<< Comment #41 @ 10:28 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Teen Queen '

Nice to see fresh tricks after so many years on this (over)played map.

<< Comment #45 @ 11:29 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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ax!on

very nice. is this now officially called the "backsteen nade jump"?

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mouse* - Reply to #45

i think that would be legit just like u get strenxed on t7 u get steened on dm13

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<< Comment #169 @ 12:56 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Joker_ - Reply to #119

and you will be mouse*ing everyone on aero :D

<< Comment #46 @ 11:29 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Joker_

Nice one, but i am so shitty at quake compared to anyone here that i dont need to do this jump in order to get raped. They will kill me by thier own.

<< Comment #51 @ 12:12 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Horvi

interestingly the only 2 people didnt liked it the two biggest attention craving idiots the internet ever had to endure. mr. "im the best on 60 ping" weird and esr's royal fool lamerio....

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<< Comment #58 @ 12:36 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #51

You still angry from geting raped?
http://www.esreality.com/post/2266817/#pid2266817

As for being a fool, you imply the only 2 people who did not like it are me an weird. The move currently has some support from like 8-10 players most of whom I would rape from my skillset 7 years ago and all of which weird would rape now yet we're supposed to get annoyed by the numbers aspect?

In which case, I guess that makes quakers inferior to HALO cos they says so.

There's a reason why you have an account here that was reg'd in APRIL 2012 and its cos you're new and clueless.

Edited by Jamerio at 12:39 CDT, 31 May 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #58

No, you are the clueless troll. In what will prove to be a futile attempt to prove otherwise, I invite you to reply to one of the recent comments made by Baksteen himself regarding this sublime nade jump.

<< Comment #63 @ 13:24 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #60

Invite Accepted...

You mean someone who did the trick is going to offer an impartial view on it?

Nice idea, while we're at it, lets do away with jury's and judges and let's just ask the defendants to write their own judgements.

You keep getting punked in public :)

<< Comment #68 @ 13:45 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #63

"You mean someone who did the trick is going to offer an impartial view on it?"

Dats Rite.

punked in public? whatever turns you on

<< Comment #76 @ 14:24 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #68

His view is not relevant as anyone with a clue will know 9/10 its a stupid risky move that will get you killed 9/10.

You can spam nades and bounce of them on any map and get crazy cool frags, this is nothing cool or crazy, you seem offened I am not impressed by your kamikaze gaming solutions.

<< Comment #80 @ 14:34 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #76

you really don't realize you are by far the worst quake player of this site, and that we all know that and disregard every single thing you write about it.

<< Comment #83 @ 14:43 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #80

When you tell people your dreams they never come true.

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melechesh ' - Reply to #76

No, I'm just surprised at the retarded arguments you are inventing out of thin air in order to keep this debate going.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #88

I'm not inventing anything, if you accepted my accurate assesment of how useless this is instead of pretending to like it because it gives you an opportunity to disagree with me we would not be here.

We both know its never going to become a common thing in a decent players toolbag, so why pretend like its the best thing ever when you can do this and more on any level on a variety of spots.

<< Comment #104 @ 17:23 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #99

"its never going to become a common thing in a decent players toolbag"

It's becoming painful to observe the rational jamerio inside you, dying to get out.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #104

Its not.

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melechesh ' - Reply to #115

Precisely. I'm glad you understand.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #139

Understand what?

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melechesh ' - Reply to #143

That its never going to become a common thing in a decent players toolbag.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #145

It won't becuase....

A) When you're down below you can't hear or really see what's above on the top platform.

B) You give the opponent several seconds warning with SFX of the nades.

C) If you bounce of fthe nade upto platform you run the risk of being knocked off and down into the lava, while opponent has optimum spawn rape potential and positional advantage.

D) you lose out on at least 40 armour (55 with shards) and 15 health, the smart money will go up the jump pad and collect the SG on the way.

e) Most good players won't come out to play without an LG or RL.
A RJ is more controlled, quicker accurate.

dm13 is a low scoring game of cat and mouse among good players. No good player will start playing a lotto unless the game is over or they know they can't lose.

Those are 5 constructive points, you've not put any.

Edited by Jamerio at 09:17 CDT, 1 June 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #150

Exactly, I agree... that was my point. The fact that it will be used only rarely is one of its strong points... nontheless it's fun watching you waste time arguing with yourself.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #151

"The fact that it will be used only rarely is one of its strong points"

Yes but I have already come up with 5 bad points based off 1 of your apparent good points, you're treating the game as lottery, willing to take big risks in the hope it pays off.

I'm not arguing with myself, the move is a bad move to make that will get you killed more times than it will get you frags.

Your short sighed nature into the game is well in sync with your 10 month membership here>

The icing on the cake being you still think you are right.

<< Comment #158 @ 10:45 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #156

That was a rather empty, last resort, comment, even for your standards.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #158

this coming from the guy that thinks the moves best aspect is its element of surpise when the opponent gets a VISUAL and AUDIO que 3 seconds before it happens.

Too hilarious. you'll run out of solid counterpoints long before I do.

Edited by Jamerio at 11:30 CDT, 1 June 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #162

No, the move's best aspect is the fact that, as I thought you had already realized a while back, it will be used sparingly.

Carry on tilting at windmills.

<< Comment #164 @ 12:33 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #163

It doesn't matter how often you use it, the risks will be there everytime you do. If they are not, you're probably going to get nothing from doing it.

Its funny how your continued accusation that I'm somehow clutching at straws when the reality is every counterpoint you make I steam roll over it with a very credible reply.

You're the one that's run out of ammo becuae the move is a bad one and you still don't get that.

Edited by Jamerio at 12:38 CDT, 1 June 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #164

In that case, you might as well stop posting on ESR. There is a risk of you coming off as a retard every time you do.

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<< Comment #173 @ 13:29 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #166

I take it you've given up on your game talk after running out of valid points on the related matter and calling people retards on the internet?

You can try again if you want.

<< Comment #174 @ 13:32 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #173

No, the game talk is still the centrepiece of the conversation, I just wanted you to realize how flawed your logic is, sorry if I hurt your feelings.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #174

I'm the one that has pointed out the flaws in your logic everytime.

You've not evolved your point any further instead preferring to take time out when i crushed waht I suspect was your final attempt here...

http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650

But do carry on then, if you can....

Edited by Jamerio at 13:42 CDT, 1 June 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #176

Why do you crave arguments? You have already recognized twice that the move will be used rarely, and everyone else in the thread has recognized the potential the move has. You just fail at connecting the dots.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #177

Why do you crave arguments?

I dont, you're just at the tail end of your argument and cant further it so by accusing me of being argumentative you hope other people will think my very valid points are less valid. It might work on #4chan.

You have already recognized twice that the move will be used rarely.

Yes And I have already pointed out that everytime you use it there are plenty of negative points about using it that ultimately make it a bad move. This is where you stopped trying to evolve your argument and resorted to name calling, which usually means you've run out, now you're just repeating what you already said and I responded to here.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650

, and everyone else in the thread has recognized the potential the move has.

Lying now aswell are we?
Actually there are at least 3 people who recognise its not in this very thread. All of which range from known TDM players, to pretty decent dullers to bafta winning game designers.

You just fail at connecting the dots.

Is this like when you lied and said everyone else recognises the potetial and you ended up looking a liar?

Edited by Jamerio at 15:04 CDT, 1 June 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #178

That's a rather ambitious attempt at avoiding having to admit defeat, I suggest you retrace your comments. You will be surprised when you realize just how early on in the thread you were wrong.

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<< Comment #189 @ 18:22 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #179

Its quite cute you keep repeating the things that happened to you.

Your last attempt at making your point was here...

http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650
(you've been unable to evolve it)

To which I replied and shot down, since then you've ducked, dived, repeated yourself, called names and even lied (see your above post) in a desperate attempt to reclaim your brusied ego in anyway you can, apart from the topic in hand.

I'll leave you with one final quote to remind us of your laughable credibility...

"and everyone else in the thread has recognized the potential the move has"

oops

So not only have you been unable to evolve your point, but you've allowed me to sign off by showing you as a liar too...

<< Comment #190 @ 18:27 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #189

Just because you ignore the facts, and consequentially reality itself, it doesn't mean you are in anyway correct, at least not outside of your own brain. Basically the story of your life.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #190

You have already proven yourself to be an unrealiable liar in this very thread right here....

"and everyone else in the thread has recognized the potential the move has"

oops

So I regret to inform you your opinion on this matter has been sadly revoked as you already hung yourself out to dry.

Even if I was wrong which I am not, it could be argued its my opinon and I have the right to think that. yes? YES???

But there is no excuse for lying and you tarnished yourself with that brush for a short term gain that's now come back to haunt you.

Edited by Jamerio at 18:56 CDT, 1 June 2012

<< Comment #193 @ 19:16 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #191

The fact that you cling on to what is obviously a generalizing comment regarding the % of users shows that you are having a mental breakdown.

<< Comment #199 @ 03:51 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #193

Not only are you a liar, but you're one of those liars that then tries and justify it.

Also, embarassing yourself further by then accusing me of having a mental breakdown because I correctly pointed out your false lies is even funnier and really does show you're nothing but one of those angry nerds whose cant stand it when he comes off second best and will do anything to try and appear in control rather than bum himself out with getting his ass kicked.

The more you try, the worse you look. You're already in that position now where you're not even talking about the game anymore.

You started calling names and stopped trying to evolve your point about 8 posts ago....

then you lied,
then you tried to justify your lies,
now you're playing the mental health card.

Anyone else wanna see how far I can push this guy?

<< Comment #201 @ 03:57 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #199

It's amazing how you are capable of trying to pull off this elaborate charade instead of just accepting that you were wrong in the first place.

<< Comment #204 @ 05:10 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #201

I wasn't wrong.

I put up much stronger points than you while your last attempt to evolve your reasoning for the move ended many posts ago, to which I replied (Comment #164) in a construtive way, to whch you then respodned with name calling, lies and claims of mental health.

From there you've been unable to further your point on the related matter, other than somehow telling me it is, and that more people think so, even though most of those people have accounts here from little over 12 months ago and are unknown.

<< Comment #216 @ 09:27 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #204

Just because you are incapable of grasping the simplest of gaming concepts does not mean I should 'evolve' my points.

<< Comment #221 @ 10:34 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #216

Ah that old chesnut :)

<< Comment #223 @ 10:43 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #221

Giving up already?

<< Comment #226 @ 11:54 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #223

In your previous reply you said.....

"Just because you are incapable of grasping the simplest of gaming concepts does not mean I should 'evolve' my points"

I think most people took that as you as giving up, not me.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650

Do carry on then.....

Edited by Jamerio at 11:54 CDT, 2 June 2012

<< Comment #230 @ 12:13 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #226

The more conversational tricks you try to pull out the bag, the more you prove that you really haven't a clue about the thread's topic.

<< Comment #233 @ 12:31 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #230

You folded. Not Me.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2268176/#pid2268176

I already replied to your point 24 hours ago.

Carry on if you wish...
http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650

<< Comment #234 @ 12:37 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #233

I "folded"? This isn't some poker game. It's simply a matter of accepting or ignoring the facts, and you excel at the latter.

<< Comment #235 @ 12:49 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #234

Facts?

*Everything here is an opinion. There are no facts.

FACT!*

Only one of us has refused to evole their point and its you.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2268176/#pid2268176

FACT!!*

Edited by Jamerio at 12:51 CDT, 2 June 2012

<< Comment #236 @ 12:54 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #235

Once again, for reasons best kept to yourself, you take refuge in a fantasy world where you are in a perpetual state of being correct.

<< Comment #238 @ 13:09 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #236

I'm in a fantasy world for saying things here are an opinon and you're deep seated in reality for saying its a fact?

lol.

The only fact is the more I push you the more amusing you get.

<< Comment #239 @ 13:19 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #238

Pretending you are "pushing" someone when you are really being forced by your own ego to have the last word is lying to yourself.

<< Comment #240 @ 17:44 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #239

Pretending I am pushing someone?

Let's have a quick summary of what I have done to you shall I?

1) You stopped trying to evolve your point over 24 hours ago.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2268176/#pid2268176

2) You told a lie and tried to imply to ignorant readers I was the only the one who thought the move was ultimately shit and useless. At least 3 other players have said as much and most were here about 8 years before your nooby little quakelive bandwagon ass came here.

Comment #178

3) You tried to say your opinions were facts. They are not facts, they are an opinion.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2268349/#pid2268349

4) You tried to accuse me of having a mental breakdown when I FACTUALLY pointed out you were liar. (that was lovely BTW )

http://www.esreality.com/post/2268349/#pid2268005

5) When asked to restart your attempt at debate at the topic on hand you said....

Just because you are incapable of grasping the simplest of gaming concepts does not mean I should 'evolve' my points.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2268349/#pid2268246

Which anyone can say to anyone about anything, luckily most people have enough pride in them not to play that card.

6) After saying that to me, you then accused me of giving up, which is hilarious given you've now avoided trying to evolve your point for over 24 hours, but feel free to have another crack of the whip.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650

And what have you done to me?

Nothing. I am still calm and in control and happy to talk about the point in hand, something you gave up over a day ago and instead tried to pull all your best low end psycho jargo tricks in the hope of obtaining a sense of onemanup when you realised you run out of ideas :)

If you would like to continue, here's the link to where you left off.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650

Have fun with all that.

Edited by Jamerio at 18:21 CDT, 2 June 2012

<< Comment #242 @ 18:03 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #240

It's rather hypocritical of you to lie yourself while presenting what you would like to believe is watertight 'evidence' of my lying, when the matter at hand is that you don't have a clue about gaming concepts.

<< Comment #243 @ 18:58 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #242

You did lie, you just try to justify things to youself.

Comment #178 (its all there-inc your laughable attempt to justify it)

"you don't have a clue about gaming concepts. "

If you would like to show what your "clues" about gaming concepts have produced in the gaming world, I'm sure everyone would like to see it.

<< Comment #244 @ 19:05 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #243

Seeing as you like referring people to previous posts, I suggest you go back and re-read your first comment in this thread.

<< Comment #245 @ 19:19 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #244

I did and its fine.

You can pick up where you quit if you want.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2267650/#pid2267650

The more I keep talking about it, the more people will see it and the less surprising it will be so it'll be even more useless and I'll get the credit for exposing it :)

Pretty cool huh :)

Edited by Jamerio at 19:35 CDT, 2 June 2012

<< Comment #246 @ 20:04 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #245

You can't constantly proclaim yourself as victor/winner/correct and expect to be taken seriously. Stop pretending your argument isn't flawed.

<< Comment #247 @ 06:42 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #246

No links to your gaming prowess then?
Didn't think so :).

"You can't constantly proclaim yourself as victor/winner/correct."

but I can am and did.

Look at what I did to you?

"Just because you are incapable of grasping the simplest of gaming concepts does not mean I should 'evolve' my points. "

You stopped evolving your point on a game forum designed to do just that.

<< Comment #250 @ 07:28 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #247

This just shows how you rely entirely upon selecting the individual words, sentences and comments that suit you, and ignore the rest.

<< Comment #251 @ 08:04 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #250

When you refuse to continue the discussion on the core matter which this thread and forum is all about you kinda shoot yourself in the foot.

There is nothing else to ignore, you are the one ignoring the core ethos and point of this forum.

If this was a court or law and you were a lawyer defending your point, you would be laughed out of the courts if all of a sudden you started to refuse to continue and call the other team names.

You're a joke to anyone who isn't a joke.

<< Comment #252 @ 08:15 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #251

No, you fled the core matter by ignoring the move's strong point: its rare usage. Enjoy hiding your inability to retract your retarded comments, ironic for someone so adept at editing them.

<< Comment #253 @ 08:29 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #252

I had already replied to the point you are now repeating over 30 hours ago.

Once I did that, you started calling names and then refused to evolve your point any further.

You seem to think that if a move has a surprise element it has a strong point, yes it does, but not when everytime you use it you generate other risks which would not be there if you did not use it, especially when it involves losing 40-55 armour and seriously risking messing up a pretty tricky nade jump which can often land you in the lava if you do not get it perfect whic his more than possible as I have seen pros mess up much simple jumps., not to mention the several other bad risks by using this.

The cons outweigh the pros. That's what you don't get, and in your attempt to defend the move, you allow me to give it more exposure and ruin its element of surprise even more :)

Its a big loss for you and your crappy move all round really.

The same applies to this.

THIS IS WHAT YOU DO NOT GET and its a higher level of logic that COMES AFTER your point which you REFUSE to evolve becuae you can't.

You want to take stupid pot luck moves probably becuae you can't innovate beyond gimmicks.

Gimmicks do not win games, if they do, they cost you more than they win in the longrun like pretty much everything in life.

Edited by Jamerio at 08:37 CDT, 3 June 2012

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melechesh ' - Reply to #253

'Risk' isn't a magic word you can use willy nilly to avoid facing the facts... Please rephrase your comment without using it. Every game is full of 'risk'.

<< Comment #255 @ 08:50 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #254

Every game is full of 'risk'.

Yes but calculated risks. This move has big risks everytime you use it and the gains are not that great.

It'll cost you more than it will give you over a period of time, so overall, its a bad move.

You've gone back to the point you made over 30 hours ago, you can't evolve your point anymore. I can.

I WIN!

Edited by Jamerio at 08:54 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #256 @ 08:57 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #255

I'm sorry to rain on your parade but this has to be your most retarded comment yet... either that or you are consciously lying for the sake of it.

<< Comment #257 @ 09:08 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #256

You've stopped again once critical mass is reached.

You think I'm retarded for not advocating moves which will do more harm than good just becuae they might work from time to time.

Even if they do, they will still do you harm more times than they do you good. Its just a fact.

I'm not lying either, I thnk you just have trouble accepting opinions which eclipse yours and you don't have the bus fare to counter them.

Its feels a bit like refusing a baby milk its goes Waaaahhh!!!

Edited by Jamerio at 09:17 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #258 @ 09:20 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #257

There are in fact countless scenarios where the move will pay off, you are just too short-sighted to see them, instead preferring the usual Forum Wars.

<< Comment #259 @ 09:34 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #258

Until you detail those points you can't expect people to take your word for them.

If you want to think things and not share them and keep them among yourself, I think you should lock yourself in your bedroom and talk to yourself in front of a mirror.

Not join a public forum where the opposite culture is encouraged.

Edited by Jamerio at 09:35 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #260 @ 09:45 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #259

There are videos in this thread showing several frags using the move, as well as reaching key items without RJ. How blind can you be?

<< Comment #261 @ 09:49 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #260

There are videos in this thread showing several frags using the move.

"AND, they are hardly going to show the video of all the times it backfired are they?"

, as well as reaching key items without RJ.

"So you're going to sacrifice 55 armour to a get a RL along with all the other risks? When you can just take 3 seconds longer and go up the jump pad. Cool.

How blind can you be?

Its not me that's blind.

Edited by Jamerio at 09:50 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #262 @ 10:06 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #261

That's a rather efficient way of proving that your evidence against the move's potential is void of proof, and that you have no idea about map control.

<< Comment #263 @ 10:31 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #262

Your user account is reg'd in 2011 on THE SITE re: high end quake, that's a rather efficient way of showing how clueless and new you are to the scene regarding a game and map that's over 10 years old.

<< Comment #264 @ 10:32 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #263

I take that as your final childish attempt at having the last word after realizing there is no way you can keep up the charade. Was fun wasting your time though!

<< Comment #265 @ 10:59 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #264

You didn't waste my time as I have the flu and nothing better to do until it goes apart from watch films and troll the web, in fact, you made the expereince of waiting for it to go much easier to deal with.

*BONUS RAGE*

your whole argument for the power of the move was its element of surprise (and you were right) that is why I kicked up such a stink about it everyone semi decent will now know about it thanks to me and my 250+ thread which I'll probably end up taking to 300+ by the time I'm done.

Everybump you make, you ruin the one thing you even admitted this move has going for it. Its a new concept in trolling I have been testing out.

If you want to keep bumping it its fine by me :)

<< Comment #266 @ 11:18 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #265

Wow, resorting to ever more ridiculous reasons for explaining your inability to lose an argument. Just accept it, you have been wrong from the start.

<< Comment #267 @ 11:35 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #266

You're the one who admitted the moves plus point was its surprise element.

I don't see how me spoiling the surprise and subsequently your plus point for the move makes me wrong.

I think it makes me in control while you're torn between wanting the last word and not doing any further damage to the very thing you are trying to defend, which you damage with every reply and have already damaged considerably.

Edited by Jamerio at 11:38 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #268 @ 11:45 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #267

After being proven wrong and extensively trolled in the process, you further waste your time by making less and less sense with this new, rather amusing excuse.

<< Comment #270 @ 11:49 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #268

It makes perfect sense.

You said the moves strong point was its element of surprise, I have ruined that because you kept replying and so the move now has so much exposure people will know what to look out for and think more about it, which Im condident when they do they'll see what I do which I belive is more than you do as the surprise element is the obvious short sighted view on it which you share.

Its actually quite simple.

4035 Hits....and counting:>

Edited by Jamerio at 11:53 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #271 @ 11:53 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #270

Be jelly of a new trick, rant on about how undeniably shit it is, get proven wrong, pretend you've been trolling. You're right, it's very simple indeed, like yourself.

1%

<< Comment #273 @ 11:57 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #271

New trick? Jealous?

HAHA. I can spam nades around any map and do shit people have never seen before, the reason they would not have seen it is because like this, its not worth doing becuae it'll backfire more times than it pays off.

4047 Hits.... and counting :)

Edited by Jamerio at 11:58 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #276 @ 12:20 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #273

So what you're saying is, you're genius masterplan of cunning trolling techniques consists of removing the surprise element from a trick which, also according to yourself, was never going to be used by anyone in the first place. Makes perfect sense.

<< Comment #278 @ 12:46 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #276

Where did I say no one would use it?

Quote please with link or screenshot. Failure to do so = another lie from you...

<< Comment #279 @ 12:53 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #278

I don't need to, it's pretty obvious you're full of shit... however your futile persistence at trying to convince, whoever it is you are trying to convince, otherwise is very amusing.

<< Comment #282 @ 13:40 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #279

You cant even provide a simple quote to things you accuse me of saying. Now you're just flat out lying, AGAIN.

What an utter waste of space to any forum you are.

You sound more like one of those angry kids whose parents bought him a pc and 5 yr subscription to AOL cos they did not know what else to do with him.

You needed therapy and a hug, and all you got was AOL and IRC..

<< Comment #283 @ 13:43 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #282

I like how you jump from one cheap tactic to another as you are ridiculed after each comment.

<< Comment #284 @ 13:58 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #283

Cheap tactic?

I asked you to quote the SECOND LIE you told and you flat out refused. You're the one that's lying about the things I said and refused to post a quote, thankfully, people know what that means around here, its not doing you any favours.

Its quite amazing how much I have extracted from you by pushing you.

Making you tell lies.
Stopping you from evolving your points.
making you tell more lies.
getting you to refuse posting a humble quote.

And the more you reply, the more you damage the one thing you set out to defend.

You're owned so hard :)

<< Comment #286 @ 14:11 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #284

You can't possibly believe the retarded 'defense' you're presenting. Why expect me to? You've already been exposed, simple misquotes won't save you.

<< Comment #287 @ 14:22 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #286

Asking for a quote for a lie you accused me of telling is not defense. Its a perfectly normal thing to do in the civilised world.
Too much time on those little IRC networks feeding off the other damaged goods huh?

It just shows how disconnected you are form reality. This was the point, to expose this, to encapsualte you further.

The only thing that matters to you is having the last word, and you can, but only after I got everything I want from you and ruined your nade move :)

Edited by Jamerio at 14:27 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #288 @ 14:27 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #287

Yes, it's probably for the better if you keep on pretending nobody has noticed how confused and full of nonsense you really are.

Edited by melechesh at 14:36 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #289 @ 14:28 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #288

Whatever helps you sleep and stops you from suicide...

Edited by Jamerio at 14:30 CDT, 3 June 2012

<< Comment #290 @ 15:03 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #289

Knowing I wasted several hours of your life by typing what has mostly been cryptic one-liners helps me sleep just fine! It turned out better than expected when you eventually exposed yourself as a clueless troll after getting 'crushed' by the inertia of your own stupidity, as I rightly predicted. Still, you put up a mediocre fight, with all the over-used 'tactics' and painfully cheap smileys. We will no doubt meet again sometime around ESR... but next time keep an eye out when you begin to notice a suspicious difference in comment length. For fucks sake Jamie, I didn't even read half your comments!

<< Comment #291 @ 15:11 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #290

When you use someones real name it makes you look even more angry and bothered by what they said.

You got schooled. And I ruined your nades thing :)

Edited by Jamerio at 03:06 CDT, 4 June 2012

<< Comment #292 @ 15:14 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #291

bye :)

<< Comment #299 @ 04:13 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #291

why you would remove 'BYE!' from this last comment is anyones guess :(

<< Comment #326 @ 11:20 CDT, 6 June 2012 >>

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donka ' - Reply to #299

this thread must never end

<< Comment #327 @ 11:27 CDT, 6 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #326

I'll bump to that!

<< Comment #61 @ 12:47 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Horvi - Reply to #58

You still angry from geting raped?

i didnt felt urged to reply to that for the very same reason why i dont strike up a discussion with rodents or insects. it would like trying to explain to a line what a sphere is, just different dimensions...

As for being a fool, you imply the only 2 people who did not like it are me an weird. The move currently has some support from like 8-10 players most of whom I would rape from my skillset 7 years ago and all of which weird would rape now yet we're supposed to get annoyed by the numbers aspect?

kind of obvious you collapsed mentally at that point, i want to suggest to put your head below cold water, before you totally freak out and harm yourself.

In which case, I guess that makes quakers inferior to HALO cos they says so.

i dont see anything related to halo in this thread, perhaps you started hallucinating. again, take a xanax or a rivotril if the cold water itself didnt helped.

There's a reason why you have an account here that was reg'd in APRIL 2012 and its cos you're new and clueless.

a funny punchline from someone getting ridicolued by the whole community for the past 7 years and still dont get it.

<< Comment #72 @ 14:19 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #61

Whole community?

Why do you keep assuming the role of spokesperson for the unspoken when nobody knows who you are and you have an account here that was reg'd little over a month ago?

As for the whole "ridicolued" thing I find it difficult to be ridiculed by a slav on a game forum who cant even spell his own insults.

<< Comment #81 @ 14:34 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Horvi - Reply to #72

1. just cos i registered not so long ago doesnt mean i dont follow the site for years. you are everyones clown here, even if id visit esr the first time that would be the first thing to turn out as you keep getting bested intellectually in every thread.

2. Hungary is not a slavic nation.

3. the "discussion" (i.e. educating you about reality) ends here as i spent already too much effort compared to what you worth.

Edited by horvi at 14:35 CDT, 31 May 2012

<< Comment #86 @ 14:59 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #81

1. just cos i registered not so long ago doesnt mean i dont follow the site for years.

You're right, but it doesn't mean you didn't either and if you could not be bothered to reg and account, I doubt you followed it with any real worth.

you are everyones clown here

You are everyone clown in the world and here. See how strong your points are?

even if id visit esr the first time that would be the first thing to turn out as you keep getting bested intellectually in every thread.

Its nice to see when you're not acting as the spokesperson for a site you've been a member for a month, you're now CEO of idsoftware too. You are a big and strong eastern euro, I can tell.

2. Hungary is not a slavic nation.

That's only because you enslaved and raped them in the 9th century. Its slav enough for me home boy.

3. the "discussion" (i.e. educating you about reality) ends here as i spent already too much effort compared to what you worth.

You've not educated me about anything, it was i that educated you about what your people did to the slavs.

But if you can't handle anymore, then that's fine.

<< Comment #183 @ 16:09 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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dansen - Reply to #58

nah, he didnt imply it being you and weird. he said it pretty straight forwardly.

<< Comment #159 @ 10:50 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #51

interestingly you come to the conclusion that I "didn't like it" while all I said is that I've seen it before.

<< Comment #54 @ 12:20 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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dem0n

I've already done some nade jumps from that platorm to the higher one, though not that one coming off the teleporter, it's a nice move though, the context for using it was perfect :)

EDIT: actually gonna try and see if I can pull that off aswell, it looks really cool :O. Can imagine if you're spawning to RA at first spawn and want to get to rl fast and control the higher ground from there on ;D

Edited by dem0n at 12:23 CDT, 31 May 2012

<< Comment #59 @ 12:36 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #54

Did this, sometimes it works out perfectly. The problem is, though, often when you first-spawn at RA, you don't hear where your opponent spawned. If he spawned at plasma for example, you have insta control of the map. However, if he spawns at LG he will probably run to mid map just as you finished your nadejump up, now things look really bad for you.

Edited by baksteen at 12:37 CDT, 31 May 2012

<< Comment #187 @ 16:34 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #59

Besides the tactical risks, how consistently can you do this move correctly?

<< Comment #194 @ 20:11 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #187

If you practice it you can land it 100 out of 100 times. It may seem very hard at first but I'm sure there was a time where you thought u'd never be able to do bridge to rail.

<< Comment #300 @ 05:45 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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ischju - Reply to #194

yeah with low fps and without pmove it was pretty much impossible :D then pmove cvar got introduced and there u go. easy.

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nex1 : - Reply to #300

what is pmove?

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ischju - Reply to #307

if you didnt have 125fps with ur crappy cpu, you could simulate 125fps movement (as movement used to be depended on the amount of fps you had)

so doing a bridge2rail with 40fps was next to impossible because u werent able to jump for enough. with pmove_fixed u could do the jumnp regardless.

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<< Comment #314 @ 13:17 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #312

i considered myself pretty experencied, but i never heard of that cvar.... :-/
have a plus and a thanks!

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nex1 : - Reply to #312

i've just tried it: there are a lot of pmove cvars, which is the right one?

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melechesh ' - Reply to #312

I remember being incredibly puzzled how I could do bridge2rail blindfolded at the local cybercafe, but could not for the life of me do it at home.

pmove_fixed was the answer! The day I found out, I came.

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nex1 : - Reply to #316

what is the correct setting for 125 fps? pmove_fixed "125"?

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ischju - Reply to #350

I think so, yes. or try simply "1". Cannot remember.

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<< Comment #336 @ 20:15 CDT, 5 July 2012 >>

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Dird - Reply to #54

off RA spawn? i guess youd get raped by LG

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dem0n - Reply to #336

talking about initial spawn obviously, pretty much none goes for the LG off the first spawn

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Dird - Reply to #342

people dont go for LG off first spawn? isnt there a spawn there?...if youre at RA then that end of the map is more likely...no?

LG -> YA -> YA -> RL
or LG -> YA -> RL -> YA

Edited by Dird at 05:00 CDT, 6 July 2012

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dem0n - Reply to #343

there is indeed one spawn at LG but its highly unlikely it happens (many more initial spawns are possible)

and then again, you have plenty of time between spawning -> taking ra -> taking gl -> firing a grenade -> go to the teleporter, that you can figure out wether it'd be a bad idea to take that nade and to make the jump.

So yeah I think it remains a plausible start, but that is obviously strictly to be used under the right circumstances (eg, the enemy has already dropped for the MH or spawned at MH and went bubbles, etc.

If the guy went for rl -> mh -> bubbles, he'll gain an obvious advantage unless you are able to make that jump to rl, giving you plenty more solutions depending on what your enemy plans to do (which is probably then to go get the remaining ya's/lg...)

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Dird - Reply to #345

oh...that time is nothing for me....cant hear shit except shots fired =(

<< Comment #55 @ 12:21 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl

it's a cool jump. I can remember maybe Guard(?) doing something similar?

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megaman3 - Reply to #55

dont know dont care. From now on it'll be called the backsteen jump

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dem0n - Reply to #57

baksteen*

<< Comment #74 @ 14:23 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #71

backsteen

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #57

fair enough

<< Comment #62 @ 12:55 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Teen Queen '

and this only proves how versatile the quake maps/movement can be - 12 years of existence and still new ways to reach certain areas.

As for shootmania...

<< Comment #215 @ 09:15 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #62

again.
12 years ago was IMPOSSIBLE to do that. The map was different.
It is possible only in QL. Just sayin'.

<< Comment #85 @ 14:59 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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hitsu

fuck me with nigger dong, this is briliant...

<3 baksteen

<< Comment #90 @ 15:30 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Memento_Mori '

I was thinking of a weapon like the nades, but that it sticks to where it lands, with no bounces. It would allow this kind of stuff with much more consistency.

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twister - Reply to #90

...like a proximity mine?

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #91

Do they explode after a fix time, or based on proximity (as the name suggests) ?

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twister - Reply to #92

proximity and when you shoot at them i think.

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #95

I haven't thought of this for more than 5 minutes. I just wonder whether something like that could become part of the duel gameplay. I'm not sure I like the mines to stay there indefinitely, as they could make chase even harder, but something that is a bit more consistent than nades, in terms of how they bounce, could be cool.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #96

Had them in goldeneye and perfect dark 10 years ago, they would ruin the game becuase quake is fast, the last thing you want is to tip toe around, you would be better off with some kind of secondary function of the GL, so you could plant a grende and set its timer.

Hopefulyl with some kind of trade off, the longer the fuse, the more ammo it costs you etc.

So you could could potentially place an exploisve when you know the MH is about to spawn, could cause all sorts of mind games with timing etc.

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melechesh ' - Reply to #95

but only upon enemy proximity

they also explode after a fixed time, which is about 60 seconds iirc, and also if the person who fired the mine begins placing additional mines above a certain threshold, which is somewhere between 5 and 10 I think... probably 5 though

<< Comment #109 @ 20:19 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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SenT!neL - Reply to #92

there was also a timed mine in Goldeneye

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hitsu - Reply to #90

dont you think it would slow down the game?

nades are awesum... deadly in right hands

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #98

I'm just pulling out random thoughts. I like how nades are used in this context, but feel it is very hard to do as move.

Edited by Memento_Mori at 02:04 CDT, 1 June 2012

<< Comment #110 @ 20:26 CDT, 31 May 2012 >>

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Daddy_

do that vs me:)

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amOKchen - Reply to #110

your in a new ip range now?

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Daddy_ - Reply to #131

seems so:D

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wrong person - Reply to #110

haha.. I saw u tried that jump, shy unk1nd. but u mostly failed :{

<< Comment #113 @ 02:19 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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filo

nice move man, i am sad we dont see this kinda of sick play more often.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #113

Probably becuae most of the demos here are from pros and they would not waste their time with gimmicks that would get them killed or strip them of armour when they could go up the jump pad instead.

<< Comment #121 @ 06:24 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Anonymous (94.168.176.196)

upload your config baksteen to somewhere plz

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mefajpE^

I always wondered why there aren't any movies showing Quake pimpest play. Not only sick frags, but creative situations sick win/luck moments, 1hp actions etc.

Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoLGGPFwwb8 6:43 onwards
Sick.

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hitsu - Reply to #120

dis is rapha... even the frag that won him the map was luck

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #124

Nope, he's just that good. You can't be always lucky, but rapha somehow always comes with this kind of stuff, over and over and over again. People say it's luck, whereas it's clearly not the case.

Watch tennis dude, the best players are always so fucking "lucky" all the time, hitting lines, doing unbelievable dropshots, etc.

You know... "there's a thin line between skill&luck"

Edited by mefajpE^ at 07:38 CDT, 1 June 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #130

"lepszemu sprzyja szczescie"

i know hes great, its just annoying for me, as im not exactly a fan of his playstyle, thus just for this little moment of flame, i prefer to say hes getting lucky..

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Jamerio : - Reply to #120

Marcel so unlucky with the MH.

Its so annoying when that happens. Sometimes its so close it makes the pickup sound but it does not register and that stings when it costs you the game.

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baksteen - Reply to #144

cg_predictitems 0 noob

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<< Comment #154 @ 10:07 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #152

ouch gg

<< Comment #157 @ 10:40 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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rizzah

nice jumps man, used to do these all the time back in q3 2004

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<< Comment #181 @ 15:45 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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pTOLEmy

lol new?

They were used in 1972 when pong was released. And now you are taking credit for it? Really sad.

<< Comment #182 @ 16:02 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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dansen

EVERYBODY STOP!

jamerio has clarified: this move is utterly useless, and trying it a complete waste of everyone's anyways useless time.

SO JUST STOP!

<< Comment #185 @ 16:15 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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Venser

I guess it can be used to get to the rocket fast if you know opponent is not around. Doesn't have to be just attack move

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Jamerio : - Reply to #185

But you won't becuase you have have very little visual and audio warning becuase you're at the bottom of the map and the move has an alarm bell on it 2-3 seconds before it works by using the nades and its quite fiddly so its quite easy to mess up the nade jump which when you come out of the teleporter, which can put you in lava if you mess it up especailly under the pressure of a real game.
This is much harder than using nades to get RA on ZTN.

You're better of coming out the teleporter, going up the jump pad.

It takes about 2.5 seconds longer. (nothing on a map this campy)
For that you lose ZERO health, grab a SG, replensih your health and 9/10 you'll have an EXTRA 55 armour for it. At the very least 40 extra and have an escape route.

No matter how much of a surprise the move will be, those are the risks you take every time you use it.

I'm not saying its utterly useless, I'm sure of the duration of its use, it will probably cause you more harm than good.

<< Comment #209 @ 07:58 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #202

sound clues + prediction + backing + seconds = alive
fighting sounds + surprise + instants = dead

<< Comment #188 @ 16:54 CDT, 1 June 2012 >>

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adrenal1ne

why is jamerio so jealous of this move? damn...

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<< Comment #211 @ 08:25 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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fuzz

^ :D

<< Comment #217 @ 09:30 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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nex1 :

so:
1 backsteen is a nice player, no one can doubt it;
2 this move cannot be done in q3a, because of the different teleport exit, so it can be done only in ql and since ql; so no 12 years old map;
3 somebody said that has already be done before; confirms? somebody knows something?
4 it is a risky move, that additionally can be useful only in certain circumstances; it will probably never be done in official high tier matches.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #217

1 some of your points are questions
2 others are a statement
3 it's kinda hard to make sense out of it, but here goes.

1. Ok
2. I always though this spawn was from nodm9, but it's not :c
3. Everyone can claim he had done it before without any proof, maybe someone will scout out an ancient demo. Unlikely though.
4. Getting to center map first can be crucial in dm13, either right from tele exit to RL or mid-game, if you're aware of your opponents position. It certainly won't be used a lot, but I wouldn't say that we will never see it.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #225

"opponents position. It certainly won't be used a lot, but I wouldn't say that we will never see it. "

That's probably why he said...

"it will probably never be done in official high tier matches. "

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #227

why are you so jealous of this move? damn...

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Jamerio : - Reply to #229

I'm not jealous, you just made an idiot of yourself by making out the guy said something he did not.

I just wanted to point it out :)

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nex1 : - Reply to #225

4: the point is that its enough for your opponent to have an lg, a rl, a sg or even a pg to make you fall back or even to kill you; so, at high levels, you can use it only if the opponent is fresh from spawn....

<< Comment #241 @ 17:54 CDT, 2 June 2012 >>

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Drexciyian

Q3 released, 12 years later vq3 players discover nade jumps in duels 8))))))))))))))

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<< Comment #269 @ 11:46 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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SIHdW3W - Reply to #241

I have been using this for a while (and other gl jumps in cpm22 as well) and I'm nowhere pro or anything : (

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5knORSN0dw&feature=youtu.be

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<< Comment #272 @ 11:54 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #269

LOL DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT THIS MOVE WILL COST YOU OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND THUS IT WAS BAD FOR YOU? OMG

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<< Comment #275 @ 12:00 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #272

That one is ok IMO.

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madbringer - Reply to #275

Bah, you're no fun. :P

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nex1 : - Reply to #241

it has already been said that this is not a q3 map, it was differnt and impossible in that map; this map is ql only

<< Comment #309 @ 11:13 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #241

"this move cannot be done in q3a, because of the different teleport exit, so it can be done only in ql and since ql; so no 12 years old map;"

<< Comment #248 @ 07:01 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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yank3

totally boring

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yank3 - Reply to #248

also threads like this show me that jamerio really is the one and only on esreality.com

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<< Comment #274 @ 11:59 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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zoot

how does this thread have so many posts..

it's a nice trick that can be used from time to time.

get over it

<< Comment #294 @ 16:11 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #274

Because jamerio.

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zoot - Reply to #294

=/

<< Comment #298 @ 03:16 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #274

I didn't like the move as I felt if you did not have a full understanding of the game it would do more harm than good.

I know lesser gamers would take a gamble on it, so to ruin its one good thing I set out to give it exposure so the element of surprise would no longer exist, or people would think more about the move to come to the same conclusion i did.

I feel I have done a good enough job in wrecking it, but I wrecked it for the right reason.

Hopefully less people will fall in pools of lava for me.

I'm a hero really. But like when batman took the blame for that film with heath ledger it not always seen like that.

<< Comment #301 @ 08:43 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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zoot - Reply to #298

It's not exactly a move that is used every time RA is taken every time dm13 is played.

Therefore your exposure of something that is done so infrequently really doesn't mean shit. People will still be keeping their eye on the player and not crap that's on the floor that they think is being aimed towards them.

This isn't some revolutionary move that will change dm13 games for ever, it's something that will probably continue to be used <5% of the time and it's unlikely that anyone will care about that grenade sitting on the ledge until they've been victim to that move more than a handful of times.

stop talking now please.

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<< Comment #302 @ 09:20 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #301

The frequency of the move is not the issue.

Its the fact that the move is stupid and needlessly risky EVERYTIME YOU USE IT.

And becuase the move is something players will use so infrequently, its a formula which = FAIL becuase players will never be comfy using it 100% of the time and the consequences for failing it are usually hitting the side of the ledge and falling into the lava.

I have seen pros miss moves in game easier than this, what makes you thing the average nobody with 30% less skill perfomfing a move several times harder is a recipe for success?

IT ISN'T.

Why should I be quiet becuase you don't get something you think you do and want to spread your flawed thinking?

<< Comment #305 @ 10:01 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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zoot - Reply to #302

I never prescribed the move to people who aren't competent players.

If one is going to use such a move, then there is always going to be an element of risk involved. Much like there is an element of risk in everything you do on Quake - because you have to take in to account how the opponent will react to EVERY decision you make.

I feel embarrassed reading your posts. You lack such a huge amount of knowledge on more or less everything you post about.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #305

"I never prescribed the move to people who aren't competent players."

It doesn't matter, even a expereinced players will be at risk.

This isn't like any trick move in the game that people ever use in duel. Its much more fiddly and carries a large risk of death everytime you mess it up, and its easy to mess up. BECAUSE<<<< you'll use it so infrequently. CAPACHE?

Feel free to compare it to one if you want?

"You lack such a huge amount of knowledge on more or less everything you post about."

Yet I'm the one with a BAFTA in game design and you're the amateur on a hardcore quake forum whose been here 7 years less than me...

Edited by Jamerio at 11:22 CDT, 4 June 2012

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baksteen - Reply to #305

don't fall for it zoot! just dont reply to him anymore

<< Comment #313 @ 12:19 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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zoot - Reply to #311

lol, yeah I did fall for it..

I totally capache now.

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<< Comment #293 @ 15:34 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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buzek

Probably someone said that before, but I cba to skim through this thread full of pointless arguing:

PINK FLOYD FTW
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F
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F
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<< Comment #303 @ 09:34 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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eburbeck ' - Reply to #293

Agreed on the "FTW" comment - the move got a frag, that can't be denied. I think the take-away from this argument is "assuming you're not an idiot, it's much better to have this trick in your repertoire than to not have it."

<< Comment #304 @ 09:52 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #303

"the move got a frag, that can't be denied."

Yes it can becuase you have no prior idea or data how many times he's tried and failed overall. You're very short sighted and instant result based. OMFG it worked in one game when it was new and the other guy did not even know it was possible. FAIL.

The likelyhood is the move will do you more harm than good in the longrun, so you if you want to add such flawed idea to your repertoire then be my guest.

"it's much better to have this trick in your repertoire than to not have it"

No its not becuae if you do not have it, then at least won't attempt stupid moves for mostly small gains.

Edited by Jamerio at 09:55 CDT, 4 June 2012

<< Comment #296 @ 16:23 CDT, 3 June 2012 >>

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Fr0zzen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvH9E-Y1CpE

What do you guys think about that one, huh?

Honestly i tried this Nade Jump from Baksteen and i got it on my 8th try. And the Nade Jump on this video i posted is impossible for me, I tried it over 50 times. And thats because it takes so much more skill. Nevertheless baksteen did a great job if he figured it out by himself!

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<< Comment #319 @ 18:14 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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[mash]

did this in 1977 when I had no computer.

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<< Comment #320 @ 21:21 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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Dird - Reply to #319

ok grandpa :P

<< Comment #321 @ 05:08 CDT, 5 June 2012 >>

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melechesh '

Bump ^^

<< Comment #323 @ 04:36 CDT, 6 June 2012 >>

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ralph

shit like this was done back in opc promo days in the early days of q3. you nups.

<< Comment #330 @ 17:49 CDT, 17 June 2012 >>

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Jamerio :

http://www.qfpost.com/file/d?g=2NCVOoy6C

enjoy the trix

<< Comment #331 @ 09:45 CDT, 20 June 2012 >>

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mkeiy

lol@jamerio pretending he was ever good enough at quake to make universal claims regarding how it should be played.

<< Comment #332 @ 09:52 CDT, 20 June 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #331

in much the same way he pretends to have won a bafta D:

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Jamerio : - Reply to #332

I did, you're just a victim of gaming and it reminds you of the silent rank it gives me over you in the one area of life you felt comfy in.

Don't worry about it :)

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Jamerio : - Reply to #331

here's me taking a dutch national player into sudden death in duel...
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=920880

I did that with hardly any quake expereince, just natural talent.

<< Comment #333 @ 18:07 CDT, 5 July 2012 >>

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undertaker12

I don't mean to rain on the parade but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f284WO80xg8

<< Comment #334 @ 18:42 CDT, 5 July 2012 >>

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lukee - Reply to #333

the "parade" ended 2 weeks ago.

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undertaker12 - Reply to #334

Cool story bro

<< Comment #337 @ 20:43 CDT, 5 July 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #333

jumpz

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undertaker12 - Reply to #337

I meant to spell it with a z if that's what you're getting at... :L

<< Comment #339 @ 21:53 CDT, 5 July 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #338

but... 2001 wants its z back

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undertaker12 - Reply to #339

Um?

<< Comment #341 @ 23:00 CDT, 5 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #339

lmao at german cant gangsta

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Now that the Higgs Boson particle has been discovered, I think it is time for the scientists to start working on a method so we can finally punch someone through the internet.

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