SPaRT1e yarr k1ng!!

2ez for gerppa

agree, but im think so that k1ck will show nice game for sure. d&p has easy line, as always.

Demiurge... the news caching sucks big times =]

unless you made an embarrassing edit, in which case you have 5 minutes to fix it

1 minute would be enough I guess. But since there is no way to actually see what you just edited with that new thing, it's kinda pointless anyway =]

if you click the actual post, its 15 seconds or 0

definitely not 0 sec =)

show me your best runs motherfuckers !:D

k1ck, gunzoids or d&p - hard to predict the winner

let me help you, D&P.

they have the best lineup out there. also, impulse rocket jumps like a boss.

>DDDDDDD

he is also very good with taking the jumper pads. :D

oh calipt u little cutey <3 <3 <3

drugs and porn playing with 2 defs???

Wow, great 1st map. CTF is much more entertaining than TDM.

Good Job Zoot

Go Gunzoids! \o/

Disrepute and vor are also streaming http://www.own3d.tv/lvlup#/live/74

no l1nkin :(

Why twich stopped?

pc problem, now it's fixed and working

CTF? More like stupid name championship. (Eindhoven Hookups vs. Drugs & Porn in the final)

Awesome though, something I can watch live and not in the middle of the night :)) Thanks levelup <3

The Party LIVE with JeeSports: http://www.jeesports.com/news/detail/PC/Quake...e-Coverage - Exclusive content

followkiller 0 plz @stream

couldnt agree more.. with all the constant switching you cant see how people play, what their tactics are, how they build up, defend, attack, control areas and powerups... most of the game is lost really... its a problem in tdm but not so big as in ctf..

i really cant believe after so much time were still watching games in such a stupid way...

Experienced casters explaining tactics on the fly and what's fun about watching freshspawners running around?

What's the point of pov switching all the time to defenders collecting health and armor or due to mid chase?

In Q3 CTF @ GTV followkiller was always off, a much better experience to watch and nobody ever complained.

you miss a lot of good action that way, example= flag carrier gets killed, he respawnes you don't know what happened or see the action/missing the scrimmage and the resulting cap/return

King Daves headphones are broken again...... All he can hear is "impressive"

really good casting by Zoot. He's really the man for casting in Quake now.

2GD/ZOOT would be pretty great.

go spliff! :D

nice tune

gunzoids! :)

awesomecake

QLStats from this tourney!

zA guys are THE men!

Wat? :D

For all hard work you all have done.

Neither of us is really member of zA :). Thanks anyway!

no weird??? :<<

don't have a ctf team :(

I did offer!

From what I have seen so far its been an exciting tourney, its a shame I had to decide between watching nvc and disrepute or zoot but I will be watching the VOD's either way.

http://www.own3d.tv/live/74/Level_Up_TV__1___Quake_Live_
Disrepute's stream. Looks very choppy to me though


and now into some numbers/trolling. Right now there are 224 and 136 viewers in each stream respectively, not even comparable to Duel's 8500 from last week.

pretty sure they arent aiming for high numbers on streams on this event =PPPP

probably, but at least that should end the "CTF is viable on DH" argument.

i really dont like the idea of dreamhack anymore, if what u are making them out to be is the correct one. imo, dreamhack and theparty is about the same thing: sustaining player with a LAN and tournaments.

after all, dreamhack was to begin with only about the LAN experience, but due to big audience both online and on spot they have evolved to something more. still, doesnt mean they have to turn their backs on their routes, only because the opportunity has presented itself.

i mean, how many of the 15k visiting dreamhack do u think aim for top1 placement i tournaments? =PPPPPP

it's true Dreamhacks, Quakecons and other LANs are a bit weird right now, with separate sections and all that. Thing is those are the biggest ones that still feature QL on its "Pro" tournaments and also are the only opportunities "we" have to advertise the game, hence it wouldn't be nice to lose them because of lackluster CTF or TDM tournaments.

I know this CTF event peak viewers will be a lot more than the current 450, but even 2000 it's terrible. As for TDM there's the experience of the last 2 tournaments at Dreamhack, which is probably the reason why that gametype won't be played in the next one.

I like both gametypes more than duel actually, but duel is the only viable one for big events.

definitly agree, duel must be the core of quake at "offical e-sports" tournaments. even so, that shouldnt stop teammodes from appearing at less serious events, as long as theres a large enough community to sustain.

imo, it doenst need to be high in applications to be "successful". just look at the qw tourney at DH 2010 (or whenever it was), 50 people in the audience that are making sounds for 500. ofc, supporting a small community as qw's wont be progressive in the end, but its stuff like that which makes DH =PP

as for The Party i can only hope they choose to make another teammode tournament that can bring the more "casual" community together, rather than the super seriouses coollers.

I've seen rapha playing some cups with less than 100 folks watching the stream, what does it say about duel? Not much, I believe.

it doesn't say anything because you are comparing apples and oranges. That probably was an online cup.

Fact is online viewers prefer watching duel over ctf and tdm, and by a huge margin. Add to that duel requires 1/4 less resources to be present in events and it ends up in being a way more healthy mod to pick for the current "big 3" (quakecon and 2 dhs).

As for other events such as UGC or "the party", I hope they feature ctf and tdm, even to the point of not including duel.

No, unlike you, I'm not comparing the numbers, all I'm saying is these numbers aren't very relevant.

Are u comparing this event do DH?
I still want to see CTF at DH with a prizepool TDM had and CTF right before SC2 starts with 1h delay and we will get the same amount of viewers TDM had.
atm im enjoying the stream and so far the games are more interresting then the last DH TDM ever was.
I agree to duel is fun watching aswell. But watching same players over and over again for every event is too much for me atleast.

yeah, so far games have been much better than in all TDM events last year.

I also see some potential for CTF, but reaching TDM is simply not enough. Duel still brings at least 2x viewers, it's way easier to organize, without begging people to attend and all that, but even it struggles against other games that might take its spot.

Hopefully CTF gets a second chance with better prizes, for example UGC. If it works then it might earn a spot at one of the big 3 (which were like six 2 years ago), for that it would have to surpass tdm by a wide margin, and also duel considering how much more effort it requires to organize and host in comparison to duel.

In short, the only problem with CTF is viewers. I think TDM had 3 chances and it didn't end up well in comparison to duel, so it's only up to CTF and also to Nations TDM, which is the other team based gametype that could be somewhat successful in one or two LAN events.

Yep nations TDM

IMO the TDM community dropped the ball on the TDM tournaments last year. Some of it rallied for the TDM tourney at DHS. But when it came to the followups at QCon and DHW they scattered and we mostly saw incomplete rosters and obvious mix teams of duel players and for the most part, lackluster games as a result.

It's hard for people to take it serious when the teams turnout is that weak. All respect to the people who did rally though.

HoQ Leagues had how many, 46 teams trying to get in? CTF didn't even fill the 40 spots available. CB OC has 51 registered TDM teams as of now.

So are you sure that TDM community dropped the ball on tournaments?



QC was in NA, announced late and still few Euros went and won, Americans just don't play TDM. (and games were good, just hard to get enough teams there)

DHW is the bigger of the two DH editions because all those 15 year old school kids are all at home in Sweden. Doesn't mean it's the better term for foreigners with work/school schedule to come to that cold country.

TDM at UGC please? Announce NOW and not 1 month in advance? Please?

TDM is more active but way less spec friendly- CTF ftw

Every single one in the event is high on weed. Sounds like THE party.

Indeed, i just got back from there and they were already talking about going to the coffeeshop tonight after the tourney... but yeah it's Holland, make use of the oppertunity while it lasts! In 1 month there will be new regulations that prevent foreigners to fetch weed in NL.

bloody nubje.

Brackets:
http://challonge.com/antecqlctf

Main post really lacks it.

I don't like how there's a ~20 minutes break between each and every map. That's really annoying and completely ruins any feeling of excitement.
The admin(s) should force teams to play their matches more fluidly.

well, 20 mins in CTF are kinda tiring, but ye, 10 minutes is more than enough

drop powerup is retarded. ql ctf is slow.

Spart1e MVP

Configs?
Photos?

Next games today (Sunday) will have a very tight schedule with games close together, else we won't make it.

It starts at 9.45 CET in the morning and will run to about 14.00 CET in the afternoon.

Enjoy!

im already awake. bring it on, bitches.

It was great meeting all these friendly quakers, too bad I had to go this early ='(.
have fun guy today guys! <3

no single blunt on the stream....damn thats fail!

I can't see any team winning p1 against dp

fu draven

:( calipt

Did draven deliberately stand behind the flag's little pedestal so that calipt aiming plasma at his feet can't hit him? This pretty much won them the game. :o

A good shoutcaster would immediately get calipt for an interview and talk about this last attack. Because it was the most intense moment of the tournament so far.

Instead of running away from the microphone. Just saying.

They did talk to him about it.

Meh, I turned off the sound after a couple of minutes of nothing happening; did I indeed miss the only relevant interview of the tournament?

looks like it.

Amazing final map! Close matches, WP DP.

2:2 ,.with every map close, gzd has to go to catch a flight, def win for DP,..

worst ending possible :(

similar to your mom walking in when your jerking off right before the climax

LMAO@schedule
LMAO@not played final map

great final anyway, ggs both teams

You mean LMAO @ Quake players thinking they can delay / reschedule what and how much the fuck they want.

Finally something showed them.

Of course this won't change a thing, we'll get more delays in the future, people don't learn from mistakes.

I can think of one game in particular which annoyed me the most when it was 3 maps and they wanted breaks between map and at the third map they said 'rokenpause' and it endedup they didnt ready up before 20 min... Afaik we didnt delay in our team (or only for good reasons and not a consequent amount of time). We even accepted to ready up quickly without warmup to play the final. We were so rusty :(

Still sucks that the british guys had to leave...

how terribly anticlimactic

It was on par to be a great lan event, then shit ending ruined it.

someone explain, what the fuck just happened with the finals?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2246553/antec-q...pid2246914

what a joke.. no flights the next day?

Guess they've not got monday off and gotta get back to work etc.

So sad that all the delays and way too long breaks yesterday, with the admins apparently not even trying to speed up the tournament, eventually ruined the final.

But you gotta wonder why the hell would anyone book a flight for 15CET when the tournament is supposed to end at 14CET? That's an overoptimistic idea either way.

This is what I get for actually watching ctf AND enjoying it. NEVER AGAIN :(

Dont be like that :(

do some online CTF cup for thegdshow :)

You would even enjoy tetris on stream if dave is playinkkk!

that would be pretty damn hilarious indeed :D

i feel dirty, we won the tdm map but lost the ctf ones today :)

u shitnubs lost p1, fo pls.

fucking gerpa put some bad drugs into deus drink and he passed away. were all sorry he didnt die live on stream.
ps fuck you for not starting a flame here this is boring as shit to read

Are you drunked?

Only watched the finals (or first part of it) and it was great, definatley prefer ctf to spec over tdm.
Remaining maps should be played on the GD studio, this way it'll get the viewers it deserves.

lame

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_d...ak_c#t=27s

Thank Blad3 for the great event, think everyone had a blast and seen/played some great games. Thanks calipt/sol4r/xtro and all the other guys for coming, hope we can do this again later this year or next year!

And big thanx to streamers, they did an awesome job throughout, really enjoyed watching the games (big minus tho for cg_forceteamModel)!

Thanks for everyone making it possible: mainly BlaD3 and zoot! I really enjoyed myself this LAN and I think it could've gone as well as any first time LAN event can go, so I'm looking forward to another event. It was nice meeting so many people of the scene; I think we all had good fun playing the games and having a laugh. GG's and WP to all teams that played!

http://postimage.org/image/5kg2am6nr/

JUST CAME HOME

PAIN IN THE ASS THAT CASE

ALMOST DIED

WTF

EDIT: ahahahahaah that pic :D

haha i felt your pain, i took a taxi cos i cba'd carrying it any further :D

I had people helping me to carry my stuff to the trains :P

was horrible experience tbh :)))

ololol

i hope to see more pics on this level of hilarity!

nice tourney tho, it really does show that CTF is so much better for viewers,even tho the monitors were awful ,.. awesome games, many wtf/lol situations , loved it, shame for the final to end the way it did :)

MORE OF THIS; WE NEED MORE CTF LAN TOURNIES aaah

monitors were fine imo

it really does show that CTF is so much better for viewers

Yep, I'm sure all the 200-400 viewers really enjoyed it...

I dunno if it's lack of interest or lack of advertisement for the tournament or both.

The viewer numbers were very disappointing, the coverage wasn't as good as we're used to from duel and TDM and as you can see in this thread, no discussions emerged and hardly anybody cared about the tournament.

Its probably a number of things, most of which advertising i think, the draft cup a few weeks ago had 4streamers and nice numbers iirc

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-...6761_n.jpg


Sorry draven I just had to post it its too funny! :DD

ggs !

Haahahahaa, best moment in tournament!. Draven is the one.

that is just epic hahah 5 man team draven

haha, team draven.

ye that was hilarious xD

Photos and coolstories anyone? :D

I will publish photos from mousestar tonight

draven win:D

bring on the pics/vids pls!
blade, were all the demos saved from the pc's?

Yes I got a demo pack coming, its huge so just figuring it out.

wheres signup for the next ctf lan?

haha :)

Next time in Amsterdam ;)

why would you say something filthy like that? :(

nubs!

LAN was awesome, thx to BLad3 and the casters! <3

next time ze germans overtake the stream a bit longer with shittalk during the brakes :o)

gonna sort the pix in the next days and post them here :) I'm still not at home, so it gonna take some more hours/days i think.

you can hi-jack the stream all you like!! :p

ye thx for the event blade was awsome!(c) RZX
Hopefully again next year! or sooner even better!

photo gallery?

I think they will slowly show up when players/people get back and caught up with some sleep :D

I would like to thank all the teams for showing up and providing great games for the spectators/viewers to watch.

Zoot for providing the stream and shoutcasting the games. These should provide for really good VOD's when he gets them sorted.

Mousestar for helping out and taking pictures/interview throughout the event.

It wasn't all perfect, but for a first time event I think it was a nice experience to see the good and the bad situations. Whenever I could sit down to watch the games, I was really happy that the players were enjoying themselves playing the matches, as you could tell from the noises/screams during the matches :D

I have learned a lot on how to handle most situations that might occur during such a tournament with set up PC's. I had like zero experience and in just four days (with 5 hours sleep total) I learned so much.

I've got a lot of positive feedback from the players and also a lot of points to look out for in the future, if I may provide a follow up event on this. The Party crew was really pleased with the event and they want to talk to me about it being included in the future, but I doubt I will do such a tournament again without at least one or two dedicated people to help out.

I am really disappointed in some narrow sighted comments/replies, because apparently people expected this to be a professional event off the bat. I think the coverage was great for the lack of people to provide it (I had no time to do any coverage) and we will have a great content package available (about 250 official match demos, VOD's with shoutcast and picture galleries).

I think people should not forget what this event really was. It wasn't meant to be on par with Dreamhack, UGC or Quakecon. If it would be, I think I would be the best tournament admin/organizer in the world, but I am not :)

The teams/spectators/players enjoyed themselves as far as I could tell and we had a great time hanging out. I've met a lot of players I have never met in real life before and I think that is something quite special for me, something I will keep in memory the rest of my life. If you have played CTF for over 10 years like me and you meet all these players who you have been playing against in all that time, it really gets an emotional touch to it.

I hope the overall enjoyment and experience was good. I am pleased with the result and I've done all I could to get the games finished up on Sunday. the 2-2 in the final was the worst possible scenario that could still happen in combination with Gunzoids flight. If DP or Gunzoids would have won with 3 maps played, the ending would have been nicely wrapped up.

People saying that the schedule was bad, I think you really lack any insight of a tournament that requires 9 teams to be fit in a schedule and be ready within a reasonable time w/o any problems. There is not one tournament with a perfect schedule. And if I would have created more time gaps between games, the complaint would have been that it takes 1 to 1,5 hour for each game to start. The delays were simply impossible to set straight and I only got Saturday and Sunday (till 14.00 CET) to fit it all in.

Anyway again thanks all teams, Zoot, Mousestar, supporters etcetera.

We'll see what the future brings :)

I think the coverage was great for the lack of people to provide it (I had no time to do any coverage) and we will have a great content package available (about 250 official match demos, VOD's with shoutcast and picture galleries).

I genuinely think you have no idea what you are talking about.

If there were other people working on organising things other than myself and Blad3, then we would have the resources to give viewers all the special information they wanted. This LAN event did not take place to give priority to viewers, it was there to give priority to the people taking part. It was most important that we organised everything so that the participants would have an enjoyable experience.

It was also my first LAN event, if you didn't hear - the PC I was using exploded on me, I had to set up a huge amount of things in a very short space of time. This lead to the fact that I couldn't do a number of things that I had planned. There was very little promotion done for this event, no more done than any weekday match. As I'm sure you noticed, the viewing figures were less than what I get on a Zotac. If I were to do the event again, I would try to organise a schedule for guest casters and I would give myself more time to talk to people about releasing stream information. I would also bring my own computer so that technical problems on my end would be minimal.

If you're expecting this to be as professional a stream as something from ESL or something done by Trance at a Dreamhack (or what ever else), then you can keep dreaming. There was two of us working on this event, that's why Blad3 says that if he wants to do another event - there needs to be more staff. I hope you realise there is more people involved in the staff list at other events than just one caster and one tournament admin.

I'm also disappointed at some negative comments, I'm disappointed that the last map couldn't be played - but I'm also a realist and I'm extremely happy with how the event panned out.

This event has been a highlight of my year and I can't wait to get more opportunities to work on projects like this. The people I met were fantastic and the city in general was great. A big thanks to all the people who watched my stream and persevered regardless of the sound issues and other technical issues I was experiencing. Also thanks to ID for providing LAN servers and thanks to the players who were so friendly and helpful!

I think you did a great job mate, and it is nowhere near as easy as people imagine sitting from home to stream live at an event.

cheers, yeah it's pretty intensive work :X

(...) then we would have the resources to give viewers all the special information they wanted.

That's just a nonsense rude reply. I wasn't commenting on the lack of "special information", but the most basic information like:
- Brackets
- Next match coming up
- Cause of repeated breaks of >30 minutes with nothing happening on stream and teams warming up for >60 minutes.

This LAN event did not take place to give priority to viewers

Yes, I've acknowledged this in my previous post. And it's okay to focus on the players when staff is scarce.
However, as I've also already mentioned: If you don't give priority to your viewers, it's likely that the viewers will notice this and that they will be disappointed.
Don't blame me for being disappointed about the fact that you didn't care about me. ;)

(...) if you didn't hear - the PC I was using exploded on me, I had to set up a huge amount of things in a very short space of time.

No, I didn't hear. I never heard any explanation about anything from you. That's what I was missing the most: Communication.

And thus, here's some (I hope) constructive criticism: Tell people what's going on. Even if it's only problems and other complications you are telling them about, it will make all the waiting times much more tolerable, because the viewer knows that there's a reason to them.

I think I communicated what was going on quite frequently, you weren't listening. I wish we could have done all of the above points, but unfortunately we had more urgent things to attend to.

As I said before, if there is a couple more people helping out next time - I'm 100% sure we would exceed your expectations.

I think I communicated what was going on quite frequently, you weren't listening.

Rewatch your VODs and you'll see that you didn't. Keep in mind that nobody listens to the stream for 12+ hours nonstop. What you experienced as 'quite frequently' still was way too seldom.

sorry, I had a lot to do.

u seem like a bad troll, zoot did the best/most he could. It's his first event and Blad3's first event. This lan wasn't based around the viewers, this was an event for the players. And boy did they succeed in that point of view. You can keep repeating how shit this was and how bad that was, perhaps if there was a crew of 5 people running the event and 3 running the stream your points are valid. It's just bad that your bashing something great, CTF hasn't had a lan since Quakecon 2003? Try being positive for once.

How many times do I have to write this?

This LAN event did not take place to give priority to viewers

Yes, I've acknowledged this in my previous post. And it's okay to focus on the players when staff is scarce.
However, as I've also already mentioned: If you don't give priority to your viewers, it's likely that the viewers will notice this and that they will be disappointed.
Don't blame me for being disappointed about the fact that you didn't care about me. ;)

Don't watch if you don't like being 2nd priority, don't badtalk people who put a lot of effort into it. If you think they should do better, help them? Talking shit on esr is not helping.

I hope that pointing out one possible reason why there were only 200 viewers during the WB final is indeed a way of helping.

I think we knew already, thanks for trying

From my perspective being there, teams weren't really warming up for 30 or 60 minutes before games. The main problem was minor computer issues and the fact everyone had to redo their setup each time they had a match on a different computer. It's also kind of exhausting to sit around in the dark all morning. People understandably wanted to take short breaks to go smoke, get water, etc in between games.

I played on 3 different machines. One was in Dutch, the other German and the 3rd might have been Swedish. On one of them the keymapping was different. Had to install and set up voice twice, and on one computer my keyboard kept freezing after a few minutes and I had to reboot and find a new kb. I'm sure a few other people had similar issues.

The lan overall was a lot of fun, and I'd happily to go to another. It was player-focused, but In terms of efficiency for the viewers my main suggestion is that if teams stick to the same computers there will be less setup time after the 1st round or 2.

I think while you might have valid points, there is a way of wording these things that is more constructive and will garner more support than taking a very critical line.

Suggestions on how to solve problems is probably more helpful than highlighting the problems themselves, which often everybody is already aware of.

The main thing is you learned up a lot, so next your event will be definitely more times better, that not means, this one was just bad, vice versa, thanks for org. this, can imagine how much time you spent on this, enjoyed the event much and looking forward for next. Tried to help you with coverage though ;)

As a participant i can say that the lan was really awesome considering BlaD3 pretty much organized the whole thing alone with just the help of zoot and mousestar. It was great meeting the people you play online irl while being able to play some ctf on lan.

Thanks again for organizing this event BlaD3! Looking forward to the next ctf lan :-)

@all the haters: if you want better coverage ... what about moving your asses to the lan and help out a bit?

Congratulations Blade, I think you did an amazing job creating this event, and you are giving a great example of something the community can do for itself now that the big organisations like the ESL etc are not providing us with these events.

Trust me u did a really really good job, and the fact u did everything for free aswell is amazing.

and the reason the 5th and final map didn't get played was our fault but due to the flights back we couldnt do much about it :(.

your a super nice guy and i wish u all the best and if u were to run another one i'm sure i'd turn up.

EVERYONE BE MAD AT DEUS FOR THE FINAL

LAN was nice to see, i had a nice time and it was nice that so many top level players showed up!
GJ BITCH

You guys could consider playing the final map online, if both teams agree. The flight stuff was pretty much unavoidable due to the extended holiday weekend.

Epic LAN, to bad that i can't come :/

But hopefully next Year you make same epic event, then i will try to come surly :-)

Well done blad3, z00t, mousestar and everybody else involved. This was a great event for me as a viewer even though some points could be improved till next event (these points have already been discussed). Would be great if there is another CTF LAN coming up in the future! Great job!

after watching a few vods i have to say, OWZO is a brilliant shout-caster, more of him pls

Indeed, I like owzo voice, but sometimes he sounds monotonic, else is perfect

I had a blast at the lan and watched BlaD3 work his ass off. He did everything pretty much by himself along with zoot so considering that it was quite amazing what he pulled off (especially if you compare it to qcon etc which we freely bash to the ground every time, and they have a tons volunteers and staff to do everything)

So stop hating please, this lan did not deserve any lame criticism. Also it had 9 teams attending with no price money and 75 hz monitor, which is like amazing for quake :)

with all the extra people there, there could have easily been 2 or 3 more teams :))

Had an awesome time, I only regret not being able to play just one map! :p

were there any ppl playing maps outside of the competition?
aka any duels / friendly ctf games etc.

No ,sadly there werent. Guess we need more BYOC quakers for that. The ql tournament set-up was in use most of the time. The internet connection was very good at the LAN tho, so we (me and dope) played some online games.

But it was fun, so a big thank you to Blade :)

Photos from mousestar

What, you were there?!

mouse was being nicer's bitch for the weekend :p

link doesn`t work.

Crackin job Blade, was a really great weekend in and out of the LAN! Hopefully another one round the corner? :O)

Thanks for the kind words, I am going to talk about a possible next tournament at the next LAN. The organization was really pleased with the turn-out, so we'll see what the outcome is after a meeting with them about it.

Again thanks!

All VODs are now named and ready to be watched on www.twitch.tv/leveluptv/videos :)

The vods should be up on youtube soon also, thanks to disrepute also for covering a variety of the games that clashed!

I wanted to check out the final... but wtf, no final map! :)

It's like cheesecake without the sweet!