Puretrak Talent

you already got the best mousepads

If you mean the Allsop... yes :p

You need to use the Allsop for a while though, something strange happens to it. It's like gaming on top of glue, yet still being able to move if it's slightly worn.

everglide titan got the most friction

But it's not sold anywhere anymore. Or if it is, tell me too.

It's not. I was lucky enough to pick up the last one from my retailer's warehouse some months ago.

artisan

+1 to this. Just got one myself, better than the Talent and the QCK which I have also owned in the past.

this again

Which one?

hien kai G3 I think.

depends on what u want out of a mousepad.
its worth to go thru the engrish on the site, and figure out your preferred choice.

value is pretty good too, more comfortable than hien hard, a bit different texture and good balance between glide and friction.

Artisan Shiden Xsoft (or Mid) are also great pads with an excellent slickness to them (they have a special glass coating).

Artisan Shiden or wait for the Hayate, which comes out Aug. 31.

oh here's another one for mx518 users ( 1800dpi - big mouse feet version )

Prefer red colored artisan hien pads ( not shiden , this one is not skip proof if you do fast flicks, the coating on it also makes your wrist sticky like it's made of sugar ) my mx518 skips on artisnn hien hard blue and black but not on value edition red :S in fact my mx518 doesn't like black mouse pads at all, only other skip proof pad in my collection is puretrak talent, it skips on pretty much every black cloth pad :S

lol, you either do some VERY fast flicks or you have some faulty model (coming from someone that has used the MX5xx series primarily within the last couple of years)

Shiden, you can't describe the pads Artisan makes! A-m-a-z-i-n-g! :]

thanks for the replies. thinking of getting an artisan but there are just too many of them. between hien and hien ve, which one to get?

puretrak talent.... artisan to be honest is kinda of over priced especially if you want to get the one that's actually the better out of their lineup

plus if you have any issues with the pad, like I did with mine, have fun getting in contact with artisan over in japan/china

puretrak = USA + phone number + email and it's cheaper

Sorry to steal your thread a bit, but I don't feel like I should open yet another topic for a quick question. :-)

I'm replacing my QcK+ with a Razer Goliathus, but I kinda lost my way between the Control and the Speed edition.
I'm trying to find the slippery one, on which the mouse glides better. Razer site says, that the Speed is the low friction one, but on the forum, I read it is the Control one.
I would be most grateful if someone could shed some light on this topic.

gol. speed feels almost like a QcK , the gol. control is supposed to have lower friction.

the slippery and more smooth one is the goliathus speed.

the control has less friction than the speed one (quite hypocritical indeed).

So you are saying that if I apply the same pushing force on the same mouse, it will slide a longer distance on the Control edition as it has less friction?

pretty much, yes

Just one idea: the mouse feet on the Abyssus is quite small, so in theory

More dense (Speed): faster with small mouse feet
Less dense (Control): faster with large mouse feet

I'm just curious if the Control is still faster with the tiny feet of the Abyssus than the Speed.

I haven't got any idea about that : (

I didn't test the Control but from what I see, it looks to have more friction to the Speed one (don't even understand why they say it has less friction oO). And Goliathus Speed = QcK more or less, so if you have the QcK it's quite a waste of money to me.
By the way the Puretrak Talent is way smoother than QcK, and has less friction.

the talent having less friction than the qck, that would be news to me.

(btw using the talent for above a year now)

Since it's a faster surface with a more dense and compact mesh than the QcK, I can say yes it has less friction but since you're saying that the Goliathus Control has less friction than the Speed one, I really doubt that we have the same definition for the word "friction"

smooth =! faster

the talent has a smoother, better surface than both the goliathus speed and the qck+/heavy. it has a slowish surface, just like the everglide titan, so that a mouse isn't gliding on it as fast as it would on the above mentioned pads. that's my definition of friction (if a mouse moves a less distance with the same force applied on surface x, than it has more friction than pad y)

I think you are doing the mistake of comparing a brand new titan which has in fact a very fast surface, but one that slows down dramatically within a week of heavy usage.

I didn't say that smoother = faster. The Talent is faster AND smoother than the QcK, just tested it the last week, the QcK has a lot more control than the Talent that's for sure.

there are two types of friction: static and dynamic
static friction is the force needed to move an object from rest
dynamic is the force needed to keep the object moving
static friction is usually higher than the dynamic one

my talent is definatly faster than my qck(heavy), thats the actual reason i don't use it(besides the size).

I own both speed and control large editions and I can tell you now that the speed edition wears out quicker. The speed feels nice but if you play all day everyday like me then maybe try the control edition as it lasts longer.

Thank you for your reply, I will receive the control edition tomorrow.

the surface of it feels a bit like sandpaper though :P not the most comfy, but other than that it's really good

What's with sand and gaming? One is sandblasted, one is like sandpaper, but both is ok for playing sandbox games. Ahh, well, let me get back to my game, made by Frozen Sand... :-)

Cool :D What size did you get? By the way, I'm still using my control edition even after like a year. That speed one got so much friction after a few weeks I couldn't move on it any more lol :0

I got the largest one, because I'm a low senser (52 cm / 360 no accel). :-)
Currently I have a QcK+, but after some time, it got pretty worn too. Especially that between the DA 3.5 and the Abyssus I used a WMO with really worn down factory mouse feet (had to stole it back from my mother who used it on a wooden table without mouse pad for years). It was a short time, but I had to play some very important game, so I used it. No mouse feet + quite low sens - RIP QcK. :-(

Ya I use DA 3.5 as well. I also have a qck mouse pad but I find it too thin for my likings. I like the goliathus because its thick. Anyway enjoy the consistent aim and movement!

I don't understand how the control could have lower friction than the speed edition

just take a look at the site and judge by yourself

control
http://drh.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefro...rview1.png

speed
http://drh.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefro...rview1.png

Yay, so you actually prefer to ask yourself what you see and how it MIGHT affect the friction rather than to believe in what the guys that own both of these pads say and state about their friction... well it's your choice :)

Like you said - it's hypocriticial. Also I prefer arguments and critical thinking over belief ;).

way to go

rougher texture, fewer contact to the mousefeet.

Makes sense, thx.

It seems that artisan shiden & shiden kai are made out of glass, are they similar to the icemat ? are they better or should i stick with best mousepad ever aka icemat ?

edit: I like pads with least friction possible

They're not true glass, they're rubber backed with a cloth/glass impregnated top

Takes dirt from your skin on pretty quickly, no info on how to wash it either, but it still tracks fine on any dirty parts

The friction on them when new is very small, and increases a tiny bit as you wear them in, and then stops increasing and stays stable. IMO, same as the icemat in terms of friction

thanks

btw, cooller used some artisan pad in quakecon ?

http://vk.com/photo-24910524_265594626

yes, the one he got from artisan at QC2010 after he spilt coffee on his goliathus there so that he played last games with artisan(including epic final vs cypher)

is that artisan hien kai.g3 soft medium or hard

First of all, the mousefeet is a bigger and more important factor than most people think, for creating the feeling/control you are searching for.
Certain mousefeet can give u loads of control on a mousepad where some other mousefeet are as fast as hell and it could be the other way around on a different mousepad.


I think everyone should only consider 4 certain mousepads when picking one and base their choise on the fastness of the mousepad they are looking for:
Slowest - Zowie G-TF
Slow - Steelseries QCK
Fast - Razer Goliathus Speed
Fastest - Puretrack Talent


The Razer Goliathus Control isnt precise enough and the Artisan Hien kai.g3 has a weird feeling/glide.
I've pretty much all the mousepads u would have possibly consider and none can compete with these mousepads.
There is only 1 mousepad i dont have and thats the icemat but that mousepad is made for a certain type of gamer that prefers ice below their mice, you would know if ur one of them...

ice fucking mate
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