http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2091458

abyssus has higher perfect control speed but higher lod too which can be annoying. and i personally think that the sharp edges at the sides make the mouse uncomfortable to grip not to mention its rather small size.

mx518 on the other hand has prediction and the ledge at the right side of the mouse can be annoying for some. if you asked me i would choose mx518.

G400 logitech!

get the new razer naga, i can bind every weapon + team binds to the mousebuttons... so awesome. it also won multiple awards by respected gaming magazines.

http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_....169418900

Nice troll!!

having used both, i'd say the abyssus is just a bit better overall. the mx518 is a good mouse, don't get me wrong, but the abyssus w/ tape under it (to reduce lod) is one of the best mice you can get right now

Logitech G400 for sure.

but which from these two mx518 or abyssus

Abyssus:
+suit well all grips types.
+better sensor technically (LoL edition only)
+OK build quality
-good switchs but kinda mushy plastics - make the force for click too easy.
-cheap made scroll wheel
-no 500hz option (only 125hz and 1000hz)
-High LoD

Mx518:
+suit very well plam grips and hybrids.
+flawless sensor
+very well made
+good switchs - require balanced amount of force.
+good scroll wheel for gaming only (bh and etc)
-build in prediction that cannot be turn off [personal].
-not the best scroll wheel for daily usage
-glossy on top.
-modrate/high LoD
-only 125hz, but can be oc'd to 500hz by third-party program.
-glitched driver that make the mouse perform alot less than reality.

LoL edition? you mean with this shit for league of legends, runes or something ? :D

Yeah I was mean that league game..
It confirmed by few users to have fixed firmware, But I'm still looking for reliable source..

I have too this edition but I haven't any comparision, it's my first razer mouse

i have both versions, old abyssus (2008 i guess) and the new LoL edition, and i must say the new one has a better wheel and it doesnt jitter :> old one jittered like crazy on certain angles and wheel was cheaper.

Thanks you very much for confirmed, thats is very nice to hear actually.
What about glossy sides? still exist at LoL edition?
Anyways...looks like Razer are going to the right direction finally, first non glossy sides for the Black edition and now this. :)

yes the glossy sides are still there, but the overall quality seems better, even the clicks sound better.

thanks you very much

-cheap made scroll wheel

? i thought it was pretty good actually

Well, compered to Mice I used I found the Mx518's scroll wheel to feel cheap..
But dont get me wrong, imo the mx518 is the best scroll wheel on market when bunny hopping, it just the metrials using in the scroll wheel itself feels cheap.
Also the ime3.0/1.1a are goods but suffered from random jumps ingame bug.

meant the abyssus though :P

Sorry I was mixed both, the same above about the abyssus :D

I've never used an Abyssus, but I can say the MX518 is my favorite mouse of the ones I've used.

if u decide mx518, really should get a g400 instead its pretty much the improved version of the 518 for the same price tho

mx518: 20 euros
g400: 40 euros

practically the same price idd

what about g500?

Keep in mind with the g500, the sensor is closer to the front of the mouse (near your finger tips), so I have heard from people it can have the effect of feeling like a higher sensitivity because the front part of the mouse moves more than the rear.

I have also heard people who dislike the way the right side of the g500 is designed. People have complained about being able to find a place for their pinkys. I hear that a lot on a number of mice though so I can't really speak from experience as I have not ever encountered that myself, nor actually used this mouse.

I could not comfortably use a claw grip on the mx510 because the right side had some weird edge. I assume the mouse was only meant for a palm grip.

A lot of claw grip users sand that ridge off (on the MX518, at least). I claw grip and have been considering doing this although the ridge position doesn't bother me as much as it does some people with different size hands.

abxssus=claw, fingertip mx518=palm

i claw my 518

Probably a long shot but uhm.. I really want to replace my diamondback with a abyssus, but I'm afraid the sensor will skip because of the surface of my Xtrac Hybrid pad.

This is how it looks: http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagelarge/1301896924.jpeg

Well that surface wont make it skip. The patterns there wont have an effect

But why not get a cm storm spawn? You wont get the jitter and high lift off distance from the abyssus nor the prediction from the mx518

Ok I bought abyssus and I'm using qck pad and before I have read on esr that it jitters on it but with drivers installed everything works well :D

abyssus is better,
why ?
because the abyssus is lighter and smaller than the logitech one (you would say this is a question of tastes)
but also the sensor is better, as its more accurates and it has no prediction, i played with an abyssus for about 1 year when it came about, got bored about the jitters (i have a goliathus speed mousepad btw), i gave up, and bought the MX518, its a very good mouse but the shape is very particular, its a very nice one and globally one of the best mouse ever, but then i got bored about the size that was limiting too much my reflexes, so i bought the abyssus again from the official website so they could give me one of the abyssus with the firmware fix (with no jitters on it) and now im still using it and its awesome.

Also, a new MX518 is going to be out in july called the G400 so the MX518 is dead,

O.o kg

mx518!

Own both, prefer Abyssus.

abyssus is pretty awesome :D

abyssus or salmosa

Abyssus unless you play with a very high sens.