It actually does look really cool, and I think it's going to be tons of fun. However... I don't think it will be like quake. I think it will be more like HL2 crossed with borderlands and doom3.

in other words: the devs don't care to develop the mp aspect of the game and no one will play it outside of the sp campaign.

I don't really care about more mp games from id, I'm older now, and don't have the time for it.

then you will love rage.

Lol I know exactly what you mean

Fanboy days are over! Funny how priorities change

=)

Well, the thing is that we already have 4 perfectly good quake games. Anything they release in future will just be worse. I still play quake, but it's fun because I have invested many many hours into it when I was young. I can't do that for another game.

ever since id released q3, many expected id to follow up with another solid multiplayer mode in doom 3, then in quake 4, and now in rage.

They said doom wouldn't be multiplayer focused, AND they said rage wouldn't be multiplayer focused. There is no reason to expect them to provide it.

wow... so what happened? id doesn't care about multiplayer anymore? q3 was amazing for its time. if id can pull it off again and evolve the genre once more its going to be great.

Evolve what genre? The CoD down the barrel of a gun joypad aiming?

id DOES care about multiplayer, that's why you got Quakelive.

Why do they need to bring out a new game when the ones they got are pretty much what you would want in the first place? When Quake 4 came out, everyone complained and they pretty much made it quake 3 (with crouch sliding weeee).

well quake 4 was just... mediocre. i would much rather have better doom 3 multiplayer. id should have just copied cod4 gameplay and put it in rage with much better graphics.

I'm sure it will have some sort of multiplayer that works like that. If that's what you want, why even bother about complaining about multiplayer.

because some of us would like to see our $60 go farther than a couple evenings of beating sp.

To quote what he said:

id should have just copied cod4 gameplay and put it in rage with much better graphics.

No thanks.

If you had played ctf before quakelive you would not be saying that id care about multiplayer.

i dont think rage or idgames in general were art driven, more tech-driven with an cold,dark and raw setting. and the last id game was years ago and easy to forget. if i would be a teen again i wouldnt see a reason to get hyped by rage

Todays Teens get hyped by realistic FPS where they can be the heroe and shoot Osama or other Terrorists. Splattering Cyberdemons and Makrons is not cool anymore... Sad new world :'(

i didn't really play it but Halo was/is pretty popular and from what i've seen it doesn't look realistic at all. So i guess that kind of contradicts what you say?

Halo is: Aliens vs. Humans in "near" Future

DooM: Is Portal to Hell opens and some cybernetic-crap gets out of it now you gotta fight it.

Guess what's nearer to reality?

definitely not you.

Since when has halo been near future???

If anything it's a lot further in the future than doom. In doom they have only managed to get to mars and build there, the story being about building gateways between Phobos and Deimos. Whilst in halo their flying all over the galaxy fighting alien species.

Different futures. And still halo is way more realistical than doom.

I'd love an explanation.

The weapons are are more realistic in terms of recoil/look. Doom weapons look much more unrealistic and have little to no recoil. Also Halo movement is much less unusual. You don't pick up hp-packs or armor in Halo it's more like the CoD system with the regenerating-health and armor.

Doom weapons are far more realistic, pistols, machine guns, shotguns and chain gun so far more conventional. Wilst halo is heavily energy based.
HP packs are also more realistic, if you get shot you don't get better over the course of the next 10 seconds and instead need to be fixed up with bandages and stuff.

Basically your wrong on every point you've been trying to make.

I don't think he's actually played either game.

I think that's fairly obvious.

LOL

The main site for rage is barely bringing in any traffic, and all the comments about the game on most sites have been mostly negative. It doesn't help that the game is $59.99, either.

and all the comments about the game on most sites have been mostly negative

That's not at all what I'm seeing.

Where are you reading? I'd say that 70% are negative, describing the game as "generic".

You could describe any game as generic, CoD is generic, SC2 is generic, these games bring nothing new to the genre, but that's not really a bad thing though, is it.

C'mon, lets get some real criticism rolling. The ground looks blurry in all the trailers.

I mostly read the comments on whatever website features a news story or new screenshots, I don't really traffic gaming sites like IGN or gamespot, or whatever the 4chan gaming letter is.

Sites like /v/ and reddit have hundreds of thousands of viewers, and thousands of comments on the game.

Generic doesn't mean "like the rest", but more "the least you can get away with to be in the genre". Rage is moving into other genres (racing/RPG), but only adding enough of any of them to barely qualify. In exchange, they've taken away from the main genre (FPS), and left you with this overall generic game.

The engine is pretty enough, but apparently won't be licensed, and would have had to compete with the new Cryengine and the new U3 engine anyway. I think it'll sell more than Q4/ETQW, but I wouldn't expect it to do much better.

True enough, I wish they'd switch the advertising away from general shooting gameplay and get into the specifics, for example, if I drive into a town and gun everyone down, what happens?

What worries me is that I don't think they've ever explained just how deep these other genres are or aren't going to be.

There is a huge shift in development towards mobile devices.

UT3 and Cry Engine are high end engines and do not favour those devices.

idtech 5 is heavily based around placing large amounts of detail in the textures and making them memory efficent which is EXACTLY what android and ios devices are going to be crying out for.

It would not surprise me if id clean up in the mobile market with such tech if they put it out there.

U3 is designed to work on mobile devices, but thanks for being wrong again.

"U3 is designed to work on mobile devices, but thanks for being wrong again. " -Vedic

Hi Brainbox, welcome to superior knowledge. I know you're always desperate to get try and one over me by any means so let's point this out further and make another fool of you as I have done
here and here .

Firstly I said.

"UT3 and Cry Engine are high end engines and do not favour those devices"

So I didn't actually say they did not work did I?

Your desperate and damaged little mind instead elevated me as you do to others because you're so deseprate to be right about something. Even if it means you actually lying about people actually said I guess that's the only way you can be right.

Secondly, the UT3 engine DOES NOT WORK with android devices and is the fastest growing OS with around 50% market share and growing while iOs is shriking. I know this because I work with the UT3 engine and know a shitload more about game development than you :)

Anyone making a game for mobile devices will want it to work on iOS and Android. They are NOT going to want to do this on two seprate game engines as its double the work. Especially if the other os is losing market share to google.

Its always a pleasure.

To summarise.

1) Highlighted how you misunderstand people on purpose by implying they said things they did not, when they actually said "does not favour".

2) Showed that you have no concept that the U3 engine does work on android, which is growing year on year while iOs is falling.

3) Showed you have no concept that if someone is making a mobilie game, they would ideally want it to work on both android and iOS.

4) Basically made another arse of you in public :)

So you're now arguing the definition of "favor"? So... what... does well at? Work on? No matter what definition you try to use, you're wrong. U3 runs well on mobile devices, and was designed with scalability in mind.

I mean, even if your misguided attempt to salvage your argument is that it won't run on android, maybe you should actually research what you're discussing so I don't have to make you look like a fool when I tell you that it IS supported on android.

Anything else you'd care to be wrong about before you ragequit the thread?

"So you're now arguing the definition of "favor"? So... what... does well at? Work on? No matter what definition you try to use, you're wrong. U3 runs well on mobile devices, and was designed with scalability in mind."

"Yes if someone says they favour something, it meas they acknowledge there is something to favour it against.

Your resposne to that was...

"U3 is designed to work on mobile devices, but thanks for being wrong again."

Because you were so desperate to prove me as wrong, you implied I was flat out wrong, when I quite clearly acknowledged the statement was open ended, because of open ended nature of you< saying U3.

Incidentally, the U3 was not deisgned for mobile devices, it was ported across from PC. As Epic made bad sales with UT2007 because few has sufficent pc's to run it and they did better with engine sales.

Lastly, the version of U3 that supports Android is UE3.
UDK also uses U3 (which you said) technolofgy that DOES NOT AT PRESENT support Android, Its this Development kit which most indie developers are going to favour for development at at present.

I then mixed up my definition, but you did first :)
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/google-and...says-rein/

As for rage quitting a forum. We've already witnessed how you behave on thread where you can't admit you're wrong.
http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf
Just because I don't hang around acting like a child like you, it does not mean I rage quit, it just means I feel I have made my point and do not want to embarass myself you have here.
but then for someone who says nothing about his real life or defines it in any definable way waht is there to lose. That proves how stupoid you know you REALLY ARE.


Yes vedic, this is your idea of staying around to answer the consequences of what you said when I made an ass of you.
Spamming morse code, binary, and refusing to provide the source, even when I had john Romero himself saying the opposite of what you said.

See that is your idea of a discussion. Acting like a child, avoiding the question and spamming and spamming. And when people don't want to be a part of that, you tell your deluded little mind that you "won" in some obscure way.

But thank you for allowing me to point this out and show exactly why I not longer bother responding to you afte a certain point.

You can't even read your links correctly. U3 is on android, just not the UDK - they are two totally different things. The U3 engine has already been licensed by multiple companies for mobile games on both iOS and Android. UDK is mostly a modding tool - it's consumer level, not developer level.

You spent half of your last post completely misrepresenting the truth, and trying to act like your misrepresentation proved that I was wrong. Now that you have to deal with the cold, hard facts, you rush to find the first thing that MIGHT give you an out, and you don't even read it!

I honestly didn't think you'd even reply this time, as you are so utterly wrong in every way that you can be wrong. Have you gotten all the wrong out of your system now, or do you need another verbal thrashing?

You said NEW U3. Which is the broad term for the tech which is also powering UDK.

As far as I am aware, and its pretty convoluted thanks to epics naming structure.

When you said U3, you also brought UDK into the equation becuase UDK uses UE3.

So its ppointless blaming me. I'm not trying to get out of anything.

If anything UDK appears to be more advanced becuase of things like lightmass, but having not worked on the older stuff, i'm not 100% sure.
But what I am sure of is your broad term of the technology which USK is built upon.

U3 is an engine - UDK is a toolkit using the engine. This is not their mistake, it's YOURS.

Let's review, shall we?

UT3 and Cry Engine are high end engines and do not favour those devices.

"Favour", no matter your definition of it, is incorrect. Not only is the engine perfectly suited to a mobile platform, but it works on all mobile platforms. Additionally, it has already been licensed multiple times.

Secondly, the UT3 engine DOES NOT WORK with android devices

Wrong in every way.

I know this because I work with the UT3 engine

It's the Unreal Engine 3, not the Unreal Tournament 3 engine. You have made this mistake multiple times, and your inability to even know the difference between the base U3 engine and the UDK shows that you probably haven't even PLAYED a U3 engine game, let alone touched the source code.

Even your new arguments about UDK (that have nothing to do with the discussion anyway) are addressed in the link that you posted, which point out that the UDK is being developed for android, but that android currently has an issue with app size limits, and must be fixed by Google. You *CAN* use UDK, but your games would be limited to the size limit, which would severely restrict your content, and the quality of your graphics.

Are we done here?

If you look at UT2007, aka Unreal Tourney 3, you will see the tech they list for the engine is "Unreal Engine 3"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Tournament_3

AFAIK Epic are still using Unreal Engine 3.

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=gsi...mp;bih=761

Taken from the title and meta tag of the UDK site.
UDK is Unreal Engine 3

But you said..."It's the Unreal Engine 3, not the Unreal Tournament 3 engine".
But from what I knew and what I have read since, my finding are the same. its Unreal Engine 3.

Even on their newest stuff
.http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/03/epic-reveals-...%E2%80%9D/

"During a GDC behind-closed-doors session earlier today, Epic’s Mark Rein blew the lid off a new, next-gen focused version of Unreal 3"

So I'm afraid it or you are not clear cut, as as far as I can tell, Epic have been using Unreal Engine 3 for years.
If its not 1-2 or 4 then it it can only be 3. I

To make it extra fun...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Engine#Unreal_Engine_4

"mark Rein a few months ago said"

"At the end of the day, though, this isn’t Unreal 4. It’s still definitely Unreal 3"

Ah solved...
Due to its focus on the next console generation, Michael Capps, President of Epic Games, indicated that Unreal Engine 4 should be ready around 2012-2018

So to oonclude any recent Engines from Epic appear to be titled Unreal Engine 3.

Whether that be UDK, OR<<< UT2007/UT3. (not 2003)

Whichever way you look at it, the whole Unreal Engine numbering system is deeply confusing.

With id its simple.

Idtech 3 = Quake3 (Curved Surfaces etc)
Idtech4 = Doom 3/Quake/ Per pixel lighting/Bump mapping/spec.
Idtech5 = Rage, Megatexture.

All I Know is when I said Android is not working on UT3, I meant UDK (AKA UE3). But if UDK is running on Un eal Engine 3 which all recent epic games have been for years then????????????????????????????

Luckily I think most people reading this are equally confused.

Yes, UT3 is using the Unreal Engine 3 - it is not the UT3 engine. You constantly made the mistake of referring to it as the "UT3 engine", which you would not ever do if you had used the engine, or knew anything about it. UDK is a development TOOLKIT for developing Unreal Engine 3 games, but is fairly limited compared to the full blown developer toolkit that actually gets licensed for money.

Whichever way you look at it, the whole Unreal Engine numbering system is deeply confusing.

Unreal Engine 1
Unreal Engine 2
Unreal Engine 3

Yeah, I could see how that would be deeply confusing for you.

All I Know is when I said Android is not working on UT3, I meant UDK (AKA UE3).

No, do you need a reminder what you said?

Secondly, the UT3 engine DOES NOT WORK with android devices

You said that the "UT3" engine, which can only be the engine that UT3 uses (Unreal Engine 3) does not work on android. It does, and even the UDK, which uses Unreal Engine 3, works. You should really stop trying to twist your words to escape how wrong you were, as you're only being more wrong. Keep going, though - I'm sure there's still something left for you to get wrong.

I made the mistake of calling it UT3 in one post.
I do little things like that all the time, with regards to CPM/CMPA.
The rest of the time I was referring to it from your posts.

That's simply bad grammar not a fundamental mistake.

Secondly, you have to pay a license fee to Epic UDK to make money from UDk to register it (if you make a game) and they get 25% of sales after something like $50,000.

So the differences you are keen to point out become even smaller at a glance once again and the bottom line is apart from licensing options, there is not a great deal between the two yet you're trying to make out they are like chalk and cheese.
When the real difference is essnetially source level access.
Important for a huge AAA game, less important for a mobile game on an app store.
But you could make a game without that. But Android does still not work on UDK and iOS does and that's the on and where the potnetial behind epic's model lies, making it easier for someone to make the next angry birds with no investment and then getting a return.

Edpic says about UDk.

"Use of the UDK for noncommercial purposes is free of charge. If you are going to use the UDK for any commercial purpose or in any way that is not specifically authorized in the end-user license agreement (EULA), you must agree to appropriate commercial terms."

VEDIC says about UDK...

"UDK is a development TOOLKIT for developing Unreal Engine 3 games, but is fairly limited compared to the full blown developer toolkit that actually gets licensed for money"

You really should stop telling me I do not do something when you have no idea. I do use the UDK which is why I said Android is not running on it, and to the best of my knowledge, that is still true.

What you're saying is Android runs on the version that costs a shitload of money, while iOS runs on the version that costs's next to nothing.

So its not really a case of whether android does or does not run on UE3, its more of a case of what version they've allowed it to work on.

Bottom line is most people apart from established devs with 10's or 100's of thousands to spend on a license are not going to be able to produce a game at present on that iteration of the engine.

I made the mistake of calling it UT3 in one post.

1x http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2089904#pid2089904
2x http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2090091#pid2090091

Bonus points for saying that you "work with the UT3 engine".

That's simply bad grammar not a fundamental mistake.

It's a mistake that you wouldn't make if you actually used Unreal Engine 3, or even knew anything about it. You don't.

Secondly, you have to pay a license fee to Epic UDK to make money from UDk.

The license fee for selling UDK games is $99, up to $50,000 in sales. What does this have to do with anything?

You really should stop telling medo not do something when you have no idea. I do use the UDK which is why I said Android is not running on it, and to the best of my knowledge, that is still true.

Again, UDK is free to use, and to develop for. A small fee is required for charging money for your app, but an actual full license for the Unreal Engine 3 would come with far more support/tools/power, and a very large price tag. In the link YOU provided to try to argue that it doesn't work, it SAYS that it works. The problem isn't the information, it's you.

What you're saying is Android runs on the version that costs a shitload of money, while iOS runs on the version that costs's next to nothing.

Any UDK license costs $99 if you plan to charge for it, regardless of platform. You can already create UDK games for Android, but you must simply wait for google to fix the issue on android before they can actually be used.

So its not really a case of whether android does or does not run on UE3, its more of a case of what version.

UDK is a toolkit for developing Unreal Engine 3 games. Do you not know what an engine is?

Bottom line is most people apart from established devs with 10's or 100's of thousands are not going to be able to produce a game at present on that engine.

THose using iOS can. At least until Epic implement it in UDK.
Which is the thing most devs will get excited about.

Epic isn't the one that needs to fix anything - Google does. Read your link. You can already develop for android just fine, and it will be perfectly ready for the platform once Google fixes the issue. This issue applies equally to everything on android, including other engines.

You've gone from being wrong about everything to trying to salvage an unrelated argument about UDK, and have only proven that you not only have never used UDK or the Unreal Engine, but don't seem to understand what an engine even really is.

I was refering to what I originally said in the second post about the first.

By saying I work with the Ut3 Engine, I meant Unreal Engine 3 (UDK), which is powered by the Unreal Engine 3. I refer to UT3 because that was the FIRST game the new technology appeared on in 2007. Many people refer to Q4/Quakewars as the Doom 3 Engine. Its just a case of referencing the first big game associated with it.

You're not correct about it being a mistake one would make if they were involved with UDK because the UDk does NOT export to android and that was what I was referring to.
And I am still correct at present with that.

The license fee for selling UDK games is $99, up to $50,000 in sales. What does this have to do with anything?

Because when defining the differences between UE3 and UDK one of the "differences" you mentioned was...

"but is fairly limited compared to the full blown developer toolkit that actually gets licensed for money"

So do you have to pay money to use UDK?
YES

And potentially 25% cut if you sell over x amount, when you consider Angrybirds has sold millions, I'm simply saying its easy to overlook the differences unless you intended on spending 10's or 100's of thousands on a full license.

So unless I was big developer (which I'm not) I would have no reason to even entertain buying a game engine from epic, which is why most indies are using the UDK and epic are planning to support Andorid. BECAUSE, the other full scale option is simply out of reach for most people. This is WHY UDK is so popular (near 1 millions downloads).
It requires next to no investment, if you make money ,they make money. Its a smart business model that works.

As for the rest, you seem intent on drawing stark conclusions that I have not used UDK because of a small oversight, which the closer you look at it is only apparent or important for people who are going to spend serious money making a game on Android.
My use for UDK is purely visualisation.

I was referring to UDk all along. I do understand its limited.
But I also understand that.

A) You can still make a game from it (UDK).
B) At present UDK does not export standalones to work on android. But it does for IOs and PC.
C) Requires a licensing fee (just like the full blown one-in lieu of a stake of the royalties if it does ok.)
D) Is virtually identical in terms of features to the fully licensed one in terms of features becuase that is a big selling point using UDK.

Go and find out how many people are developing a game for Android using full payed copy of UDK Vs those on IOS using UDK. You'll see what I mean when the ratio is HUGE, because the latter is accessible and the former is not.

you can export or convert a game to nearly any engine, that's obvious, my only mistake was over referencing the UDK.

So I'm not trying to salvage anything, I'm simply claryfying why I said what I said and pointing out that the differecens between the two without reading the fine print are actually very similar.
You probably had no idea that UDk could export to Android I pointed it out.

If you want to convince yourself I had no concept it could run on UE3 then fine. I meant and should have clarified earlier it at present cannot run on UDK which is the real appealing aspect on UE3 for mobile devs.

UDK is a completely reasonable license, especially compared to any other engine - across all platforms. Again, this has nothing to do with any points you have attempted to make. Your argument was not that the engine was not available to random mod developers, it was that Unreal Engine 3 is not on Android - you were wrong. Completely.

Even trying to switch your position to UDK only makes you more wrong, since the very link (directly from the mouth of Epic!) you used to try to argue otherwise says plainly that it DOES work. You argue that Android is the only market that really matters, when every engine is equally impacted on Android, and must all wait for a fix by Google. Not only is U3 the only high end engine that is already confirmed on multiple platforms, but it's the only high end engine across all platforms to offer a consumer-level license for development that isn't unreasonable. It is, in fact, the MOST favorable engine for high end games on mobile platforms.

Switching your position from just U3 to UDK actually makes all of your points even MORE wrong, and it doesn't help that you try to support your new position with more incorrect arguments. The meter is still running.

I said it was not on Android Via UE/T3 becuase I was referring to the UDK which I admitted was an oversignt by me because I was so focused on the UDK. The first Android game on UE3 was only released less than approx 6 months ago. UDK to the best of my knowledge does still not export to Android at this moment in time, based on the latest build. [/hide]

I alsosaid "Anyone making a game for mobile devices will want it to work on iOS and Android". They are both important markets for time being, but Android is reeling it in.


That's a matter of opinion and one that assumes that the game is going or needs to be high end. Ue3 is pretty expensive, so unless the device can utilise the features of the engine that make it stand out, you might well find its not needed. There are fairly decent pc's out there that struggle to run UDK at good frame rates. So a high end engine may not be needed.


Again, I did not switch anything, I based my original opinion on UDK, which was quite easy to do because you STILL can't export android to UDK to best of my knowledge. You STILL needed to pay a licese fee. To make games with UDk.
So the differences between the two are quite easy to overlook.
http://www.worldofleveldesign.com/categories/...vs-ut3.php

The only thing I'm guilty of is overlooking the fact that I based my original focus on UDk which I did becaue.

A) iOS was working on UDK
B) Android was not.
C) You still needed to license UDK

I said it was not on Android Via UE/T3 becuase I was referring to the UDK which I admitted was an oversignt by me because I was so focused on the UDK.

Need a reminder of what you said again? Here, let me help you:

As far as I am aware, and its pretty convoluted thanks to epics naming structure.

When you said U3, you also brought UDK into the equation becuase UDK uses UE3.

Try to keep up with your lies. At least read your old posts to make sure that you don't step on your own toes.

I alsosaid "Anyone making a game for mobile devices will want it to work on iOS and Android". They are both important markets for time being, but Android is reeling it in.

And anyone making a game for both markets can make it on both.

That's a matter of opinion and one that assumes that the game is going or needs to be high end. Ue3 is pretty expensive, so unless the device can utilise the features of the engine that make it stand out, you might well find its not needed. There are fairly decent pc's out there that struggle to run UDK at good frame rates. So a high end engine may not be needed.

Is it? Please point me to another high end engine that you can even license, that has already been confirmed for both mobile platforms, and that has even remotely as reasonable a license agreement.

Again, I did not switch anything, I based my original opinion on UDK, which was quite easy to do because you STILL can't export android to UDK to best of my knowledge. You STILL needed to pay a licese fee. To make games with UDk.

Making games with UDK is free. Please point to any engine that you can use to develop a game that allows you to sell it without paying a license fee. Hell, it doesn't even have to be on the same level of quality as U3. This is not even an argument, and has nothing to do with the discussion. You were trying to argue the merits of a tech5-based engine on mobile platforms, and id has never had any sort of reasonable license for small developers. Again, you're just giving yourself more ways to be proven wrong.

The only thing I'm guilty of is overlooking the fact that I based my original focus on UDk which I did becaue.

A) iOS was working on UDK
B) Android was not.
C) You still needed to license UDK

No high end engine is working on Android, so you're guilty of trying to make UDK look bad when the problem is Android itself. You're guilty of trying to make it seem like licensing UDK to sell is a big deal, when EVERY engine requires it, but none are as reasonable.

Your two main arguments were that U3 didn't work on Android, which is false, and that mobile platforms didn't "favour" U3, which is false. No matter how many replies you spend trying to worm your way out of it, you're just losing more ground.

Your two main arguments were that U3 didn't work on Android, which is false, and that mobile platforms didn't "favour" U3, which is false. No matter how many replies you spend trying to worm your way out of it, you're just losing more ground.

my two main arguements was that Android was not working on U3, becuase I was referring to UDk (BECAUSE , which you yourself are not promoting over the fully licesed version which is beyond the reach of most people in the modding community.

my two main arguements was that Android was not working on U3, becuase I was referring to UDk (BECAUSE , which you yourself are not promoting over the fully licesed version which is beyond the reach of most people in the modding community.

I promote both, since the U3 engine is quite good. U3 engine has amazing scaling ability on the PC, and supports many platforms. UDK supports all platforms (but is waiting for a fix by google so that they can be published on Android) and has the best independent developer license that I've ever seen for the quality of the product.

Glad to see that you're out of new things to be wrong about, though!

My two main arguments was that Android was not working on U3, becuase I was referring to the UDK. Which I had absorbed myself in and admitted I was wrong about but that was more to do with it being the only realistic accessible version to most modders. I juggle a lot of crap so somtimes focus on stuff that I have to. Easy mistake to make when you do more in life than just talk about things you read on forums.

To this day, it still appears to not be supported in UDK and the reasons for doing so are NOT JUST because of the filesize.
If that was the case then why not just enable and put extra pressure on google.

visit UDk.com and see their PR blurb..

"UDK is Unreal Engine 3 – a complete professional development framework. All the tools you need to create great games, advanced visualizations and detailed 3D simulations on the PC and iOS. The best tools in the industry are in your hands. "

Guess what???
NO MENTION of Android. Plenty of Mark Rein saying its coming as little as last month, but you can also read the same thing from him in 2010.

you don't need to tell me how good UDK is, I use it for that reason. For PC.

Also in my original point, I said "UT3 and Cry Engine are high end engines and do not favour those devices."

Not just U3.

CryEngine as far as I know is not supporting them and the achievable version of uneal which is UDK is not working with android at the moment.

you're simply trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Do you think its a coincidence that I said Android is not working on UDK and there are millions of interviews and threads saying its coming soon?

Even last week people on the UDK forums are asking about it.
At best I'm guilty of basing my opinion around the UDK which is the one that will be achievable to most.

On the point of high end engines, I don't believe you need a high end engine for a good looking mobile game. A company like Epic/Crytek/idExcel at the high end market, its easier when you can't go all out.

Anyway I'm bored of you now. I already said I was wrong about UE3, BECAUSE I was so focused on UDK.
As far as I'm aware, that is stil the case. So I was right on the thing I meant and misunderstood on the other, because UNLIKE YOU I had focused on the UDK for professional reasons.

If you would like to continue agree to export a standalone executable from inside UDK that runs and Andorid. Nothing fancy. Just a cube or something to show proof of concept so no fancy skills required.

If you agree, I'll do the same for PC.

It'll take me a few minutes. Nothing like putting your money where your mouth is.

Easy mistake to make when you do more in life than just talk about things you read on forums.

For anyone with any knowledge of the engine, you most specifically wouldn't have made the mistake of referring to it as the "UT3" engine. Not only could that not be confused with UDK, but it's not even an engine. You even spent a good portion of this post trying to make it seem as if Epic has some difficult naming structure for the engines, when they only have 3 engines, and they are very obviously named.

To this day, it still appears to not be supported in UDK and the reasons for doing so are NOT JUST because of the filesize.

If that was the case then why not just enable and put extra pressure on google.

Why don't you ask them, since that's exactly what THEY SAID, even in the link you tried to use to say that it didn't work.

Also in my original point, I said "UT3 and Cry Engine are high end engines and do not favour those devices."

Not just U3.

I never mentioned cryengine, and it has nothing to do with the discussion. The fact remains, you tried to say that "UT3" was not "favoured" on mobile platforms, and you were proven completely wrong. Do you need a reminder of what I said to you in response? The only reason we are here at this point is because you feel the need to keep making up excuses for why you were so wrong - you should have just ragequit the thread when you were first proven completely wrong.

On the point of high end engines, I don't believe you need a high end engine for a good looking mobile game. A company like Epic/Crytek/idExcel at the high end market, its easier when you can't go all out.

Fine, what mid-range or even low end engine are you referring to that competes with U3? Go ahead, show me this engine that "favours" mobile platforms, and that is has no license cost for you to sell games that are produced with it. I'm all ears!

If you would like to continue agree to export a standalone executable from inside UDK that runs and Andorid. Nothing fancy. Just a cube or something to show proof of concept so no fancy skills required.

Reading skills are required, and you don't have them. I don't know how many times I'm going to have to point it out to you.

u got raped son

you guys... :p

True Romance

quakewars idtech4 has megatextures.

idtech5 is not a massive step forward, rage is a car version of brink,

the only difference in rage, is megatextures can texture the whole world = which probaly means the whole map editor grid size, instead of quakewars 32,***x32.*** units

Actualyl Doom 3 has megatexture too, its in there as a proof of concept.

If you look at Rage and Quakewars, I don't think they compare games. the rage engine actually looks quite decent :)

yup, d3/q4 has no tools to make magetexture or burn lighting onto megatextures

d3/q4 megatextures can have a max unit size of 16.***x16.***, which would only be good for doom 3 map and little walkways and a random outdoor area on your map

quakewars .map file takes 8 hours to compile if you have a megatexture for a terrain, with each pixel being mapped and materialtype logged and stored

the other change to rage idtech5, is they might have put up the render image size up to suit HD, in quakewars the calcfov will just change the ratio and take a shit on your screen with a 800x600 render frame

r_mode/screen display size isnt really linked to the render

as consoles dont have any anti aliasing, everything in idtech games comes with lego

loliforgotaboutquakewarslol

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6318725/e3-2011-...t-gen-rage

It's especially funny since you tried to argue that id would somehow "clean up the mobile market" with their engine, when we already know that they said that they wouldn't be licensing it out... but now Carmack even says that they are focusing on iOS! Hilarious!

Where is the data to support your 70% findings?
70% of what and whom? The internet, what that place that spends 90% whining about everything?

I hope its more empirical than your Linux market share

(As you've already shown your insight into the mobile market!)

Or more accurate than your insight into John Romero!

Data figures for things I've observed? Did you want me to tally them down in a delusional and obsessive way like you would?

If you've observed something enough to give a % on it then yes.

If you had not then then don't use numbers. Use words.

I realise there is a conflict here, because you throw numbers around to give you the impression of being informed, but when pushed on them you then reside to using words like its all very loose.

Seems to me when you wish to appear informed you'll use numbers to do so, but when you're pushed for a bit more, you throw your findings away and resort to smoke and mirrors.

Would your prefer majority, or was my intent to show a greater majority too difficult for you to understand? I know that there are some language barrier issues, but not all of them are just language.

lol, $60 boohoo. In australia that game will retail at approx $100, and our fucking dollar is better than yours at the moment.

sadface.

Australia pays more for everything, but that isn't really the point. Many games are still more around the $50 price point, and even that is a bit much for the content of your average game. It's especially dangerous to sell what they're basically calling an experiment at the highest price point.

Oh I definately agree with you with regard to the value of the product.

I don't suppose you get US$ prices on steam? I'm getting insane deals because they haven't localized it for SA.

If you VPN you can yes.

I'm looking forward to it but some things are putting me off.

e.g. : health regen and now the impossibility to die ( http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6316277/rage-exc...-e3?page=1 )

I don't like the art direction (and I love post-apocalyptic settings). Looks too cartoonish.

Also aiming down sights is not a mechanic I enjoy using.

I have to agree here. The power of the engine and how it renders environments is fantastic for the most part, but the characters look like they stepped straight out of a Disney Pixar movie, except blood-stained, dirty, and well, not as kid-friendly. :)

Rage already failed in my opinion.

The multiplayer part will be VEHICLE-based. Basically, DiRT with guns mounted to the vehicles.

UT2k4 Onslaught, anyone?

FAIL.

I had high hopes for this game. But its just another Doom3 (if not worse), it seems.

UT2k4 Onslaught wasn't that bad.

it was the most played gametype back then at UT2k peak, and stil the most played gametype

the only reason it was removed from the last UT, is because epic has to give some royalities to a modding team, the gametype was originally going to be

In your opinion.

But hf with nothing but ONS with Rage.

There will be no deathmatch, team deathmatch or CTF etc in Rage.
Its all this vehicle-based bullshit.

isnt that way better than another casual dm game that would fail anyway?

I wouldn't know about that.

To me, Rage has already failed, and therefore is stillborn.

I'm willing to bet the house on that Rage multiplayer will be as stone dead as Duke Forever's MP part will be about a month after release.

Initially, lots of people will be playing it, of course.

But we're seeing the same with lots of games.

At the end of the day, all the gamers will go back to their CS, CoD and WoW (and their shitty consoles as well).

I predict there won't be another new big MP game on the scene played by a large number of people by this time next year.
I hope to God I'm wrong.

Maybe Quake 5 in a few years? :)

You can forget about the UT series. CliffyB's hatred for CTF and DM has ensured we will never see valid continuation of the UT series ever again.
Thanks, CliffyB, ya cunt.

Rage was never made with the intention of getting a lasting big multiplayer community... so it doesn't fail, it's exactly what they wanted it to be.
It's not id's fault that you think rage would have a competitive multiplayer even tho they never even hinted about smth like that and were pretty straight forward with telling people what it is.

in many people opinion

UT dm games have always sucked, and never been played much in any version, in UT it was 50/50 with dm and CTF, UT2k3 came and it was all CTF, UT2k4 came and it was all onslaught, UT latest died from a console port death

In even more people's opinion Quake has sucked and continues to suck.

UT was always larger than Quake back in the days before CS, CoD and all those other rubbish games came along and ruined everything.

they didnt ruin anything, people just want better team based games then plain old boring dm

UT might be bigger, but quake is and always will be the FFA game, even when no other games are released without a crap old out of date gametype

something quake will be around for FFA

everything changes with bandwidth limits, along with game play

I sure you're right about Quake being around forever. :)

UT is drawing its last breath right now.
That only leaves QL.

Good thing QL came along, or Deathmatch gaming would likely be stone dead right now.

there is Q43A, and the engine that might be GPL`d, the renderer is good for another 8 years

UT died when epic released gears of war, a better team based game, true

Gears of War has nothing to do with UT dying. That would be equal to saying that Bulletstorm is killing UT.

UT is still on it's last breath.
Q4, on the other hand, has been dead for quite some time, according to many of your fellow Q4 mates.

dont have no online mates, i dont bother with irc, or im, forums are just something to post on

q4 is dead, because it is complete shit without Q43A

the only wow factor in q4 besides some bump on textures is a few flashing lights if you have r_lightdetaillevel on a random level for them to work

dm gameplay is twice as basic and quake 1

if I were in the position of id, I wouldn't even develop a multiplayer,
it's not worth it ... there are 1000s and 1000s of multiplayer communities ... a multiplayer feature is not anymore something unique, you do not really need it ... it just costs ressources for development ....

if it fails atleast the name is fitting

looks like doom 3 with daylight and hi-res textures to me :/



well, as hi-res as console games can be :p

I agree. Characters still have that Doom 3 plastic syndrome. I gues we'll have to wait until Doom 4 to see a real change on the engine (they said it will not even look like its the same engine Rage is using)

they finally fixed 5 poly heads

What is this 'if' business?

idk just want to hear some discussion. there is so little info coming from id so i really have no idea what's going around there.

why, what info concerning rage are you missing?

i don't hang on irc so for me its very hard to understand what id is trying to do with their projects. for example why did they decide to turn quake live into cybersport platform when they are known to make "games for fun" before. it would be nice if id had something similar to "bethblog.com".

i thought the topic was on rage...

aren't 99% of posts on esr about arguing?

not if you have a proper ignore list

I chuckled.

thanks for the update!

properly fun for awhile in coop but doubtful it will be good in the long run.

How good are those two dickheads arguing in this thread? Priceless.

They are made for each other. I love scrolling past their huge posts and not reading any of it. It gives me a nice feeling inside.

Haha yeah me too. They must lead such rich lives, all that spare time to argue with some other idiot on the other side of the planet.

Rage 2

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how many thought it is about rageing when playing quake?
anyway these two are usually related so good things expexted to happen

im just checking for some funny responses tho it isnt really delivering

*c

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/06/ra...mbargo.ars

I'm really looking forward to SP Rage tbh :) I'm seeing it as a improved Fallout game.

let's hope you are right (improved Fallout game)

i hope it's desolate, depressing and dark humoured enough to get me sucked into the hell