Every time i play Q3 CPMA i remember everything that was so great about it (except the 15minute timelimit in 1v1).

The best thing about it is that i'm able to adequately play on my poor connection *cue nvc warp whine*.

But would i want to go back to Q3 CPMA? Right now yes because i absolutely hate the current TDM map pool in Quake Live, but away from that then probably not... because with no TDM lan events on the horizon the only other major benefit in playing Q3 does not personally apply to me.

what's wrong with the map pool besides dm6 being in instead of dm20?

i despise cpm4

but my point was more that in q3cpma we could quite easily get a map rotation going on, season in season out, something almost impossible with ql unless we're "lucky"

yeah cpm4 sucks ass for sure..

dont think any kind of map rotation would happen, you guys had 5343 years to figure out a decent map pool & rotations but it never happened, and it probably wouldnt happen if we went back to cpma

probably right, i do often daydream :(

cpm4 is probably the best tdm map ever made

wish i could've found that auto installer long time ago... :|

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1888774

?

So who think that going back to q3 would actually be a good idea ?

I don't, I'm willing to give it a bit more time, considering it's Sunday.

To quote myself from IRC
I love id like you love a disabled person despite it's inadequacy. But lately the downtimes and numerous bugs and ignored requests from the community are getting a bit out of hand. They really need to pull their shit together

also, unrelated image

i realy miss hub =(

im not tired of ql, im just tired of technical issues :(

ye I thought the same, but they are getting a bit out of hand, don't you think ?

yeah its getting completely ridiculous now, personally i have constant fps drops while playing on top of all the downtime and shit everyone else gets AND here's a comparison of my traceroute from half a year ago to now:

6 6 ms 6 ms 9 ms tuk1-tr1.dnaip.fi [62.78.107.53]
7 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms tuk2-tr1.dnaip.fi [62.78.107.17]
8 8 ms 6 ms 6 ms xe-1-2-0-0.stk30.ip4.tinet.net [77.67.67.197]
9 28 ms 39 ms 27 ms xe-10-1-0.fra21.ip4.tinet.net [89.149.184.62]
10 28 ms 27 ms 27 ms 80.95.144.192
11 31 ms 27 ms 27 ms quakelive-hosted-by.i3d.net [91.198.152.212]


6 6 ms 6 ms 17 ms tur1-tr1.dnaip.fi [62.78.107.96]
7 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms tuk1-tr1.dnaip.fi [62.78.107.51]
8 6 ms 6 ms 7 ms tuk2-tr1.dnaip.fi [62.78.107.17]
9 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms xe-1-2-0.stk30.ip4.tinet.net [77.67.67.197]
10 50 ms 49 ms 50 ms xe-0-0-0.fra21.ip4.tinet.net [89.149.186.181]
11 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 80.95.144.192
12 56 ms 50 ms 50 ms quakelive-hosted-by.i3d.net [91.198.152.225]

its just gone from good and promising to shit. i expected that the fps drops would be fixed eventually but after a year of playing i gave up on that, then my ping goes from good to shit and now we cant even play.. jesus fuck :D give danish servers

and still im glad we get to play some quake, it just could be a lot better

same here, but I get 60-70ms to GER now, and it was 33-43ms before.

danish servers o//

have you tried calling your isp?

sure... they said they reset my connection, didnt work, i whined, they said they forwarded it to technicians and thats about it.

is your isp owned by Zenimax?

:P

have yout tried milita?

seriously ffs it's just not funny any more after the amount it's been said this weekend too. Give it a few weeks and a decent chance to say it and it 'might' be funny again. But I doubt.

have u tried militia?

have u tried militia?

combo breaker? :[

have u tried militia?

its Q43A, AND it would be funny if it didnt do what it says and what i tell you it does, and it was shit, and tacky and worthless.

the funniez is on all you asschops to retarded to download 24mb and find out, cos yall think you know

http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a

<3

now yall can play 3d battle tanks when real bord, with them crap uncontrollable gevs, small bump in the terrain you`ll take off

editor/rightclick/team/vehicles/-------->vehicles and turrets ready for MP games, just remove "skin" in the entitydef file for non team skins, vehicles will be open to all in non team games

unless the vehicle is below "lowhealth" in the entitydef file, like UT, any team can hop in another teams vehicle, and kinda steal it, without a skin change

how many lines of code?

for what.....

void rvVehicle::WriteToSnapshot ( idBitMsgDelta &msg ) const {

msg.WriteBits( hasRespawned, 1 );
if ( !hasRespawned ) {
return;
}

msg.WriteBits( vfl.fx_iminantDeath, 1 );
msg.WriteBits( vfl.fx_afterDeath, 1 );

for ( int i = 0; i < positions.Num(); i ++ ) {
positions[i].WriteToSnapshot ( msg );
}

msg.WriteBits( vfl.locked, 1 );

//msg.WriteBits( vfl.respawn, 1 );

msg.WriteBits( fl.hidden, 1 );

//bool incoming = incomingWarnProjectile ? true : false;
//msg.WriteBits( incoming, 1 );
//if ( incoming ) {
msg.WriteBits( incomingWarnProjectile.GetSpawnId(), 32 );
msg.WriteFloat( incomingWarnProjectiledist );
//}

msg.WriteShort( health );
msg.WriteLong( shieldHealth.GetCurrentValue(gameLocal.time) );
msg.WriteLong( shieldHitTime );

msg.WriteLong( setFireTime );

msg.WriteBits( fl.onFire, 1 );
msg.WriteBits( fl.onFireLooping, 1 );

msg.WriteBits( team, idMath::BitsForInteger( TEAM_MAX ) );

}

there are 915 differences from q43a player.cpp [ 1.4.2 ] Va q4 sdk [ 1.4.2 ]

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b9796ebf3a.jpg

and 235 in projectile.cpp

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/fc85b9e11c.jpg

most of the game sdk but physics has been recoded, or script kiddied into place, most recoded

HAVE YOU TRIED JAVA????

java is the shitest language ever to exist, use some c++ skills in php and you can make the next generation nuke for all the next 10 years of sourceforge phpnukes to be based on with all the ajax shit

all functions are 90% the same with a _ in the name str_len()

anything good serverside, and the php manual is easy enough to work out any other functions for the good stuff

java is like coding out a book for a spectrum, you always end in with a error

.

I'm almost proud that I kinda started that meme :|

Yea, it's incredible, especially as it isn't even funny.

What's funny about it? It's a genuine question. Have you tried Militia?

sarcastic or no, have your tried q43a, militia was beta mp. everything in sp always word, and said it in the changelog

q43a isnt, so i rename militia to q43a

Quake 43 Arena this sounds futuristic :P

not really, i remember the good ol days, q43a gameplay kind of feels like q3, instead of hollow lifeless and boring atmosphere, and full of bugs n glitches

I think the p0rt is the author of it...

y'think?

As for gameplay and everything that effects it (including the netcode), I highly prefer QL.

what do you ping in it?

used to have 60 only to DE, now 52 to half the EU.

I actually played on 40 back when I played q3 in Lithuanian servers, now it'd be ~27.

But QL netcode is ok, if I do not consider the ping difference.

the netcode is ok for those pings.

at around 80 things go haywire though, no longer does it feel like there is any compensation, the "unlagged" stuff dissapears ands tops working. In short above 75 is quite terrible.

in cpma it still felt ok to play with pings at 80, 100, and even above 100. That's why I can't agree with the netcode discussion, this feels like a step back after cpma.

Well at least you can hit rails shooting behind your opponent :P

no, you just have to aim behind because the hitbox is there, but its random there too:)

yeah things start to get random at that those pings all the time :(

so you dont need a good cd-key for punkbuster no more?

Very few servers used punkbuster last time I played, can't imagine it's any different now.

Very few servers (if any) check your cd-key either. Also cd-key is completely unrealated to punkbuster

cool then if this installer is all its cracked up to be then many ql noobs could be drawn over to the hardcore underground XD

CNQ3 doesn't have punkbuster included, most people use CNQ3 these days

hehehe
i would give q3 another go. but ppl will go were they want, and most will go were the ppl are.
ql is a great game but they are doing a slow and quite shit job and loosing potential longstaying players because of it. stop producing these shit devpik servers and get the game solid first.
feels like id need to admit to themselves people took their code and made it much better and made great maps. they should embrace this and colaborate more. Not try and do it all over again.. for what? just to say to the new players that dont know the history. 'look, it was all us, arn't we great'

devpick is a plague, filtered that shit out ages ago.

its incredible how id can be so terrible

ye its down for 5 hours straight. how pathetic is that ?

they are on vacations

QL gameplay shits on anything else Q3 derived

But downtime really is taking the piss now

Quaklive is down
Have nothing to do
What am I doing with my life.

id as a company just can not provide around a clock support. or development. they never had to. quakelive is an experiment for them which is evolving into something they cant handle.

i payed money and they dont deliver. when it comes to renew a subscription i can forgive a lack of content, constant technical issues i wont.

How can you be tired of QL after Dreamhack? I want to play so bad.

hmm ? My point exactly.

There's a difference between wanting to play and getting to play when the site is down every other day.

we want to play so bad but we cant. yay.

So true, I'm still grinning thinking about DH :D

While it"s not very good that something which you pay for isn't available all the time it is kinda standard ... companies don't have SLA's for nothing.

The question is do you really need to whine about every single minor annoyance related to ql 24/7 ? One could eventually really make an argument to get a life ...

some of us don't get to play very often, maybe 3/4 times a week and well each and every one of those this week I haven't been able to and probably only about 75% the time I try to get on at all can I.

At the end of the day though people are right, people will go where everyone else is, so unless somehow 90% the community goes over to Q3 then it aint going to happen. It would take one big ass mother fucking protest or something.

gotta love people like you who still cut id slack after the avalanche of fail they have provided

Yes because my life does not depend on ID

tbh, in the last, I dunno, over ten years anyway, they've provided a much larger avalanche of WIN. I'm just sayin'...

they have? in the last ten years the only good game I can remember id putting out is rtcw.

What about Quake 4 and Doom 3???? Great games!

Actually gonna install this shit, and play some mother fucking Galang and some cunting Monsoon.

Good times! Maybe even try out this millitia out

Are you serious?

I played 5 hours in this week, in that 5 hours I had lags and spikes enough for a whole life, I failed to start a server two times (because I only tried twice?), I crashed about 3-4 times when I pressed "play" and even when everything was "ok" (in QL standards ofc), my ping doubled and I had to aim a mile behind keel to hit something.

ps.: No, nobody is whining here, except you about us.

You are all whining, the difference is you consider it to be standard and i don"t.

ofc, now please go and troll somebody else

more whine

the answer: yes, since june.


regardless of the recent site issues.

My new Quake Live Award

awesome:D

:DDDDDDDDDD

0% of players have earned this award.

Despite some obvious faults, I prefer QL's gameplay and netcode.

if you think ql netcode is better than cpma you're having a fucking giraffe.

Not having to lead your opponent with hitscan is easier. cpma is better for higher pings, but that's not a concern for me.

Fair do's. I'm just slightly bitter about the whole thing.

My connection is pretty crappy and playing cpma worked wonders. I could play in the Baltic States, Russia and pretty much anywhere in Europe from the UK and get a good game the vast majority of the time. And in those days to get regular games you had to play in Eastern Europe mostly

I can't even get a good game on home turf these days . Of course there is the very odd exception, generally in the early hours of the morning. Then I think it's fucking brilliant - so I can see where your coming from.

tl;dr - I'm a bitter and twisted, cantankerous old bugger.

but has anyone been thinking about going back to Q3 CPMA OSP ?

let's play a game where swedes at 10 ping dominate, good joke

c'mon, fast internet is a standard now, (even in poland)

but that doesn't change the fact that above 20ping you need to use timenudge, which makes the game absolutely terrible from a new players perspective. You're deluded if you beleive that the ping issue is solved now that everybody has broadband+

verdict: it had it's time

Who cares about new players. I can play with nudge, and it s 100% more fun than playing shitty cpma vq3 or even ql.

Ok, so pls leave us alone and go play your OSP crap forever pls.

We don't need you in QL or CPMA/cpm.

Thought about it - yes :(

Tired of ql? No.
Tired of how things are handled? Yes.

Well, im kinda unable to play ql, since ive got terrible chokes and packetloss (occasionaly or during whole match, anyway it throws mi out as !@#$!), meanwhile at cs/et/whatever ive got stable 20-35 ms on servers; the problem is, that my past clan mates stopped playing long time ago, and i dont have any motivation to play these games any longer.
Anyone could suggest me what dm-based game is most popular besides ql? Cpma vq3, warsow, qw, q2 or anything else? I dont want to be any kind of "pr0 esl/eswc pwnz0r" but just spoil some fun with mature players at some good level in my beloved gameplay model ;)
Thanks for any suggestions, cheers

quakeworld is probably the one with the biggest duel scene.

TF2.

Team Fortress 2

lol@people even playing ql

So who think that going back to q3 would actually be a good idea ?

lol, you think people can think?
you know ... people are sheep ... even if it was a good idea, noone will do anything, that's why only original maps get played ... and if id announces a new game, everyone will switch because it is a new game and id says so ... everyone just waiting for the word of the leader, e.g. id software :-)

dream on

didnt happen with quake 4.....people do have standards :)

thats cos you all a bunch of chickenshits and brain set on q4max and other mods which havent recoded any of the sdk, they have all just added to the shit

q43a recodes it all, too add all the new features other mods wait for the engine to do

Quakelive barely works for me anymore

yeah, its totally dead again.

Well I'm going to give cpma a shot tomorrow \o/

cq3+no xerp

-GTV cumspraying
-small LANs 4-6 with friends in basement exchanging frags...

The whole discusion about switching to Q3A / CPM or whatever game could have been prevented if ID implemented the 'killer features' (for a web based game) in their system..

I mean why didn't they implement some ladders / league's and automaticly server start / invite system for league's via their site (with options to show matches live via the site / download demo's directly afterwards if not server side automaticly upload via the client etc etc etc...)

they could run tournies themself / let the community run them the quakelive.com site...

or if you want to get fancy implement some webservices so tourneys / leagues organisers can implement the 'quakelive.com' tourney system in their own site etc etc..

but the only thing ID is doing is.. nothing... it's very hard for ppl to take a step back from other much more advanced / feature rich games (community wise) into the almost spartanic quakelive community.

best comment in this thread. All those features would be a huge plus for qlive and wouldnt take alot of man power to implement. In all the suggestions that Id ignores, they are worst for ignoring this one.

Kinda sounds like what 2gd said on stream during the DH event... =)

people have been saying this for the past 2years : D

this and many other was requested before about a zillion times, but would be good to have indeed:)

Yeah I know it's requested a lot :) I don't want to pretend it's my idea!!

But thats the whole problem.. it's not rocket science but the Quakelive development team is just not doing anything with all the fantastic sugestions. Not even reacting on perfectly valid suggestions.. no just saying nothing.. being quiet............ doing nothing...

just had 3 games in a row where server crashed midgame \:D/

lmao even perp the: IM ZE KING PROMOUTER OF QL is now tired of ql.. bad bad id boys..

ql down AGAIN... fucking %#(**@ game. we need to start petition demanding that someone from guys working on the project get fired for this shit. It's bloody unreal at the state it is in ... I want my money back !

no! they need the money for da RAAAAAGE :D

How do you fire someone when no one is working on it?

indeed:D

and how can you kill that which has no life?

edit: fuck you, guy who posted befor me.

epic lolz
especially at the noobs who paid
time to watch the new gossip girl (Y)

Unsubscribing this shit.

Gonna do something useful instead. Like eating my own shit.

could you please post a 480p movie of that process, just for the lulz, thx.

I'm sooo glad that I didn't pay for this shit. x_X

And by the way you know exactly why they didn't and never will add paypal payment. If there was paypal you've had purchase protection and with id not delivering you would get your money back, "all of it".

-_-

wooohoooooooooo hes threatening people with cpma!

Quake Live is simply better than Quake 3. It's the year 2010 folks, when Quake Live doesn't have any bugs, it's just by far the better featured game.

As for the actual gameplay, it's different. It feels a little more responsive and faster, and I like it.

And after this weekend at Dreamhack, there's pretty much nothing bad I can say about it.

so you got the "Get Logged in" award :(

...when Quake Live doesn't have any bugs...

When exactly will that be?

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

It's the year 2010 folks, when Quake Live doesn't have any bugs, it's just by far the better featured game.

stopped reading here as it was apparent that somebody from TN has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

What's wrong with Tennessee, Stalin?

Did you really go through the trouble to look up my IP, lol, get a life!

I'm from New Jersey, currently living in TN.

I better star some SC2 or D3, instead of CPMA ;)

id a bit irrational? 9 and a half things are bugged/disfuntional from 10. Important things: switch gibs to sparks, delete biker/cadavre, put glitters on rangers balls cuz its to offencive!

You know what could be frightning for ql? Even the biggest asslickers of id are uncertain in the future of ql (they would never admit it to them selfs, but they don't know where this game is headed). they say (id or a few lovers i dunno) game is lagging / giving fps lags for almost everyone (even if its the minorest twitch) becouse its 2010 it has to be something, something more special than that bad ol' q3, you know to compete with other fpses visually(?) Well the only thing this project is special, is the way a little autist child can be special. The one step forward, 3 backwards, and 2 sidestepping (devpick and very clever things) business policy is kinda irracional(?) I mean if it ain't producing enough profit why bother with it?

I bet most of the ppl that are hanging around are 80 percent q3 players, ppl from cod/cs/anything, here to try something new, very small minority that came from packman or farmville to try out this !free stuff, least thats what they were fed when they came to.

I personally think the game was in a period at the begining of 2009 that it was almost perfect, it had a green keel, it had stats (like we need them or someshit, oye we need them to anihilate the smallest chance of a fair game on pub team games), it needed what? GTV, and a lan support with i dunno uniqe license construction? And maybe new maps: little kids can design maps and shit at home, why don't you have atleast 1 man thats there for this at 365?

What we got? Well theres a green keel, sitting in a pile of shit... and you know what? It was better a year ago, even pros say the game was MORE FUN with the old hit boxes, well what the fuck are we after if not fun? Well maybe YOU are after a couple euros from gaming (but where i come from they laugh at things like this, nomatter, like theres cooller and a couple of players, 10 or some that can make money of this..) Great great challange instead of simple easy fun? go fucking climb a cliff without ropes, nice and kind things, but no, theres a broken hitbox system/hardened the aiming/and astonishingly a strange lag for alot of people that don't get it in like say a warsaw server or a cs or a super mario server how should i know, but why? Even id dosen't know why they are doing this frightingly idiot business policy:o

It was BETTER, when it was half or 1 year old game, everyone is looking for the fun that was born in 99

I mean if it ain't producing enough profit why bother with it?

I would think that they're going to wait for the year to be up to shut it down, so people don't get extremely pissed when they paid for a year and didn't get a refund.

quake live is down again as i type this. pretty pathetic for a game that is supposedly the decade's definitive shooter. time to give militia a try, it can't be worse than ql is at this point.

If the QL gameplay is so preferred, why not mod the QL gameplay into Q3?

its not the gameplay... its the tiny community

I prefer Q3 anyway, CPMA or OSP, I don't care, so go ahead:)
Basically, what i wrote here:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1999859#pid1999859
meh, better inline:
I was introduced to Q3 when friends had set up a mini LAN @home in 2000. I didn't even have a computer at those times:D. (dm17 ofc:). Liked what I saw and got me compi + Voodoo 3 1/2 year later, played some bots, next I would LAN with friends.
When we were too lazy to schlepp Computers around someone would host a server and we'll connect via ISDN, fill CTF teams with bots and have fun.
We were n00bs (no knowledge of strafe jumping etc.) but we had fun and could play with each other without any hassle.
Nothing of this is possible in QL. To hell with it.

i cant even update this shit anymore without weird reloads and connection timeouts. i cant express my feelings towards id.

so it's not working ?

eventually i was able to update. it took a long time.

XMPP shit again. this is what..like 24th down time this month?
PUT QL BACK IN BETA.

don't push it!

ye im tired of ql! but i cant sleep yet

like 2gd said quake live in 2012th might be dead.

same goes for Bloodline Champions :^D

If neither wcg nor eswc will pick QL for their next season I think it's quite likely
And i'm not even that sure that IEM will pick ql for next season too, because it is now out of german's eps and they always didn't care much about it (finals streaming docet)

Quake Live is bugged again. Not able to connect to any server and it's showing old data in the server browser...

YES, I'm sooo tired of this...

I have major issues just playing any games. Main reason is that I have 100-150 in ping since over 1 month back on central European servers where 95% of the official/pracc games are played. For the record I have normal pings in other games in all countries. So this affects only QL servers. The ISP that I currently have is UPC in the Netherlands, anyone having similar issues?

So yeah, the motivation is not high before this, but this does not really help :)

Also I can't join more than 1x server and then reconnect and FF/IE crashes due to some nVidia bug? This has also happened for more than 1 month now.

I probably would not have played that much anyway, but since I pay for the game and I am signed in TDM tournaments, I would like to be able to play at least those games, but that will not happen with these circumstances. I'm quite patient when it comes to these things, but even my patience is running out unfortunately.

I have UPC also and ping to polish servers around 200. To NL ~80 (40 - 50 previously) and to DE 50

sounds like routing problems, make some traceroutes to your PL servers and kick your ISP ass, it might work :)

Routing is fine in all other games, servers I have tested. Just in QL where it's fucked. I doubt this is my ISP. I would love to be wrong though.

High ping is definitely caused by bad routing. Other games may not have such problem because server software running on different hosts than quakelive`s one. Different host - different route - different ping. You can check this by running traceroute to server ip.

Btw, month ago SyncError posted about problems with nVidia cards. May be this can help you.

I know what this is caused by. I just don't have a choice since QL only has 1x ISP for DE/NL/SE servers. I have checked ~10 other servers in these countries in Q2 and all those servers have normal pings for me. Even if I tracert the server it will not change the fact that I only have issues with QL servers and will not be able to play even if I find out exactly where the problem is :(

Thanks for the nvidia bug link, I however will keep my drivers since I play new games that require them pretty much, as I still will not be able to play due to my ping problem :/

UPC should always be the last choice for anything gaming related if you are looking for an ISP, thought thats common knowledge by now :F

are you still on TELE2 ?

yes

Well. I'm happy with everything else from pings to bandwidth (60/6mbit = I need this for private torrents :). In all other online games including Q2,Q3,Q4 and even QW servers the pings are more than fine! I even have very low ping to some of the Swedish servers!

However, I did have normal pings to QL yesterday the first time since I started checking +1month back.

Yeah I wish someone would have told me before my roommate bought it. I usually ping 40ms to Germany know (I was used to 20ms -.-) . I notice the 20ms difference a lot but the thing which bugs me the most is that my internet is constantly lagging from 18 to 22 and I just can't play because after every 10 sec lag I want to smash something. Called my ISP and they told me that I have to live with it. Seriously what the fuck? :*(

i've gone from 29 ping to 40-70 depending on the time of day,same route, same isp, same server :D gg

actually think there are still 2 ip's for .de

I have the exact same crash going on.. Can connect to a server np first time, but if I quit that one and go back to the website, then try to join again it just crashes.

Maybe someone on esr knows the solution? I thought it was a cfg problem before but I am not sure anymore.

* Turn off 'threaded optimization' in the nvidia control panel 2d options for iexplorer.exe or firefox.exe, or
* Visit http://www.nvidia.com and revert back to an older driver version.


First option worked for me. :)

worked like a charm, thanks! :)

tired since day 1

I think its the right time for ID to admit their fail
give us a last q3 patch and maybe connect the ql site with q3 so the q3 mod communities will be under one roof.
This is easy to do and a win/win situation

http://support.xmplay.com/ +
http://www.dubstep.fm/listen.pls

http://support.xmplay.com/ for all netstaions for real non buffer streams and right click ripping

I'm sorry. He linked to xmplay. On fucking esr.

Tracker nerds, unite and [+]

xmplay owns, for netstations, not as a proper player etc, you cant mess with it for mp3 streams, audio is within 5secs tops and remain 99% unbuffered on any connection

winamp
kjofol
xmplay

xmplay is by far the best module player around but I guess you're too retarded to use it for its initial purpose.

It's not the best.
I remember there was some DOS player which was displaying neat graphics visualisation as well as blinking the scrollock/capslock/numlock LEDs to the rhythm of music, now THAT was classy.
Oh, and also it used PC speaker to play polyphonic audio! It was a masterpiece compared to modern software where programmers call standard windows functions and think they're geeky nerds.

Please don't be that obvious when trolling, takes the fun away.

You don't understand anything about tracker music if you play it in some fancy looking windoze player and even dare to call it "the best".

I probably understand more about it than you ever will and I doubt your dos player's replay routines are as accurate as xmplay's.

You don't have a clue why tracker music was great, you never experienced it's beautiful wonderfulness and now you just want to look "elite" and "oldschool" "tracker nerd", while in reality you don't have even a slightest clue of what it all was about.

Looks like all the kids on youtube processing midi files through so called 8bits vsts made you sour and angry.

Or you're just trying to look "elite" and "oldschool".

Why would I watch kids on youtube?
I'm not trying to look anything. I didn't even say that I like tracker music. I'm just stating the obvious thing that playing tracker music through some xmplayer shit and saying it's best because it has "accurate replay routines" is like getting a bottle of some ultra-expensive 100-year old wine, gulping the whole bottle in one go, and then saying it's so great wine because it gets you SOOOO enormously drunk like nothing else.
(and I already anticipate that you will not get this analogy at all and maybe say some bullshit that I claim that tracker music is some uber-elite crap that only special chosen people can "get", etc, etc)

You're right, I'm not sure I get your analogy. I genuinely want to understand your point though, and hope it's not a retarded chiptracking/soundtracking misunderstanding.

Basically, 99.99% of tracker music is hopeless amateurish crap per se, it only makes sense in a certain context where it is actually appropriate. If someone listens to it alone (like, just running it in that player) and manages to enjoy it, he not only basically admits that he has no musical taste whatsoever and enjoys listening to nonsensical amateur shit of zero (or maybe even negative) musical value, but also it means that such person doesn't have a slightest idea of why such music has actually become quite popular at some time, and why it was legitimately enjoyed in the first place.

And if this person knows about the whole context and has somewhat been part of it ?

Then he wouldn't call someone who links to "xmplay" a "tracker nerd"

I didn't call him a tracker nerd, this retard uses it to listen to streams.

trackers were the only way to make music on most OS`s without spending £800 on cubase, which used to be the bomb back in the 1900s, kinda like technic 1210s, both are ancient history, and those who know nothing still think they are the best

Madtracker is still da bomb, bro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xms_mcJNNE

no

people who still make tracker tunes are retarded, trackers died back in 1996, unless you got linux then your stuck with them until you all die

but then if linux desktop was hardware rendered, imageline would probaly port fruity, they are shit hot at coding using only a few lines for fruity with all the junk files removed, most the mb of 22 are vsts and effects

without the sample window in fruity, its like dos->windows, tracker->fruity virtual midi station without seeing the inner workings

Pukka3tourney5 as a QL duel map