Great news.
How about some spart1e?

His coach Strenx don't play anymore ...

And Stermy is too expensive.

toxic is best coach **

good news lvl^

this map pool = easy win for master. cooller!!!!

Tool

battleforged?

Battleforged got removed from pretty much EVERY tournament... ZOTAC will remove it next week and replace it with hektik...

IEM/EPS Germany using same mappool as above including T4 and Dismemberment.

kinda sad though considering that the update really improved bf a lot, would rather see aero gone. new maps ftw

still, i like the mappool

sorry to interject, but aerowalk, ztn, dm13 are the 3 maps that have to stay

sorry to interject, but aerowalk, ztn, dm13 are the 3 maps that have to stay forever

thar i fixed it for u

I'd say the first map to remove is dm13 (of those 3). I liked t9, wanted to keep that really. It's a good new map, shame that the old maps kicked this one out.

wouldnt be so sure about it

anyways i seriously doubt ppl ever gonna make anything better than ztn, dm13 or aero

these 3 just perfectly suit q3 competition duel

t9 at first was quite exciting and fun to learn, but now that everyone knows how to play it, ie spam and teleport hop its just gotten too dull and has no gameplay variations whatsoever, it had to go.

Who are you kidding? The only option for this game is to use all new maps.

Battleforged, t7 (ztn replace), t9, hektik (replace aero), and maybe dismemberment.

Q3 is over buddies, forget it, move on

okok

i was really in favor of new maps some months ago,
especially after seeing that I can beat Q3ers on t7 and t9 quite easily but lose to the same player on ztn and dm6
but after thinking and thinking (:P) t7 doesn't really convince me as a duel map, it's still played like 1 years ago and some of the features of the map (the size too) make it a bit lucky in the outcome, it might have to do with the fact that I'm no semipro or whatever but nonetheless...
t9 might really be outplayed, but it was always my favourite map as - just like ztn - you had to drive your program as strict as possible

t7 reminds me of ztn. You can can spawn and stack up on a yellow usually, mega is on a platform while red is below (opposite of ztn) and you need to cross the map when out of control to get to the other yellow.

Either way I think by far t7 is the best new map, it's evolved so much since the first time it was played.

I think QL ought to be new maps, and with all these new maps out it can finally be done. Hektik might seem faster than aerowalk but its more likely because people don't really know how to play it out of control yet. You can play it out of control, though, the one player that comes to mind is vo0.

As for t9, it seems like a clone of that old Q3 map that I can't remember anyways.

Battleforged was improved in the update. If there were any complaints before, surely now it's a better map.

Which leaves one slot left - dismemberment doesn't seem like a very original or interesting map, so I think something else like phrantic ought to be tried.

T9 is an old TA map. But since noone played that, it's in effect new.

Phrantic isn't new, neither is Dismemberment.

t7 is best 'new' map and should be in the mappools for a long time. and way better then dull t9, which is not needed when aerowalk is there now.

improved, but still worse

oi, seems like i missed something. thought after the update bf would stay :)

Kinda funny how Zotac stood by keeping Battleforged in for so long whilst it was shit and now that it's improved and is actually pretty decent they take it out

trolololol

Best map pool possible.

I agree. Hektik has a very unique play style and it delivers a lot of action like Aerowalk.

im seeing more frags on hektik than on aero :>

and aero is much more known, whilst hektik is totally new and everyone can learn much new tricks and improve on it. so give hektik a few months and it will also deliver low-scoring games.

This. Hektik can be played out of control, I've seen rapha do it, I've seen vo0 do it, and I've seen dkt not do it.

After a few months people will finally learn the tricks and the paths and everything, and it will be easier to play a defensive game.

Imagine playing aerowalk when you don't know the map. Can you imagine what a ridiculous score you might get on that map? There are so many easy rail shots and stuff that veterans know how to avoid.

czm vs. cooller - quakecon 2004 anyone? ;D

I wish they replace ga with a ya.

Agreed.

Fantastic map pool. Glad to see some tourneys with a clue

so yeah, great map pool!!! (only t7 needs to be replaced by a new map and after that slowly phasing out the classics D: )

t7 is a new map

not really, its what, 2 years old now? its been tested through and through and well, its not as enjoyable to play as all the other maps, but more importantly (yarly) its not as fun to spectate :P

oh and only god knows why some tourneys use dismemberment, i turn off streams and take a nap when that gets played : |

when we compare it to ztn its brand fucking new

its a well balanced map imo

hence why i called them classics, its not the same as 'old' :PPP

t7 is oooold, t9 is quite old, dm6/dm13/ztn/aero etc... all classics!

oh now i see what u did thar :3

Shouldn't we be playing new maps mixed with old maps? Or are we still playing quake3?

oh yeah deffo, i wish it was an all new map pool but quakers are such dicks and are always whining for the old maps so it cant be helped. jsut gonna have to phase out ztn/dm13 n stuff for new tactical maps ;)

Both ztn and dm13 could easily be changed for new Battleforged.

t7 ftw

its been tested through and through and well, its more enjoyable to play as most of the other maps, but more importantly (yarly) its as much fun to spectate :P

opinions like this are kinda useless if you dont back it up by any arguments or polls to show that it represents more than 1 person

i got plussed for saying t7 needs removing didnt i? :P

and u would get more [-] if it would be possible as well.

probably not ;>

but hey we'll never know.

this. i can't express just how much i despise t7.

hektik. >.<

Great mappool =) gj

sad about battleforged :(

Hektik: ATLEAST Need replace YA with GA and YA put in 3rd floor , near Rocket.

replace nothing

hektik is perfect

Agreed. Not only for players, but for a spectators aswell, awesome amount of action

Hektik isn't good.

BATTLEFORGED PLEASE

So 2GD and Joe wont commentate? :(

2GD is working on the stunlock studios stand, but he'll commentate when he can get free :)

Will he be free at DH? :D

Has he changed esports yet

hes changed it so much you dont even realise! make sure you buy his shit too

What is interesting about hektik is that all pros say that it's too easy to stay in control, yet in all games I've seen, map control was pretty much swinging back and forth multiple times, even more frequently than on other maps like ztn for example. Anyone cares to explain this strange phenomenon?

luck .

Luck is what can happen once or twice in a long period. If it happens constantly in all games, then obviously there is some other factor in effect, but maybe no one ever tried to understand it.

Luck is just something bad players use to define variance when they lose.

Wouldn't that make cooller a bad player, given the number of times he blames luck?

well they prolly mean that you cant win it back with regular +back, stack and wait for perfect opportiny style.. Instead you need to PUSH ALL OUT to create a lot of situations and hope that you get control in some point.

And this approach seems kinda working, so what's the problem?
To me it looks just like a different style of confrontation, when you have to lose frags out of control, but maps gives you possibility to have them back when you regain control, instead of easy running out of control, but also hard to chase in control. Doesn't seem unbalanced to me, just different.

I agree with you, sir p4r4.

Due to many unforseen confrontations it is harder to geek a default path over and over again, therefore bringing the lovely spectators an exciting game to watch. And I personally enjoy playing it, too.

Probably first time i actually agree with you =)

map pool = $$$

Awesome map pool

isn't ESR supposed to explode? Nobody's whining!

Don't worry i came for the rescue.

Hahahahaha.

:/ Where is battleforged ?
Seriously they removed the best new map... t9 was also very good
Great now we gonna see some 0 brain frag fests in hektik and aerowalk, like its FFA.
And some interesting matches on WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY overplayed maps ztn and dm13.
Quake live is becoming warsow where its about 0 brain and all reflexes...or always playing same maps for 100 years
GG
Oh and for all of u guys say BF sucks watch this match of 2 people that know how to play it, instead of whining:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmO_b1YnYwE

Match went to over time and after 10 minutes 14 frags

Instead of some 40+ frag( snore ) fest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10BrOiFLVCo

Why change something that is working well?

because overcoming that mindset evolved us from mere animals in the middle of the foodchain or smtng :P

Perfect for Cypha!! Go cypha gooooooo!! Show rapha how this shit is meant to be played:D

Maybe you just dont understand the fast decision making that has to be done on maps like aero and therefore classify it as "random".

One could say that you actually need a "faster" brain to play fast paced matches/games.

You need faster reflexes.
Faster brain doesn't mean smarter.

czm used to rape hub
hes not exactly retarded

Would like to see rail removed from Hektik.

Would be impossible to break control without rail.

not really.. and you're assuming item layout would remain the same.

Hektik could be an amazing map without rail + item tweaks.

map would have to be completely redesigned without rail. I played a few games with both agreeing to not use rail and the map played like complete shit. In control you have to be really fucking bad or just have terrible terrible aim to lose control if there is no rail

battleforged hektik aerowalk t7 and one between ztn and dm13 would be a better idea imho .

yeah, and choosing between ztn and dm13, i would say ztn stomps dm13

ye prolly :D

A slight change from the previous big tournaments and since the maps were tweaked (...)

So where's Battleforged?

I don't see a recently tweaked map in the pool.

good mappool!

Lol everyone is complaining about hektik. I would bet money that someone like rapha wouldn't whine like all these other players. He comes off as the kind of person that would take any map, analyze it, and play it to win. No complaining about WAH WAH control this WAH WAH armor there WAH WAH rail OP.

You can take any map, and *someone* will find a way to win on it. Calling hektik random is equivalent to calling yourself incompetent.

Nice mappool! Go Av3kkk!!! Rape them all, show geeks, that alpha males > them!!!

show alpha males that geeks > them!!!

what av3k can show is his steroid infected face..:S

cooller should kick your ass. literally! :)

He is among alpha males with Av3k! haha

where is no problem till you can remove map first.

the final is bo5 or not?

i will never reach final, same as 99% players. Who is reaching finals, should be best ready, so hektik it's not the problem for them.

and even if u reach finals u can still fuck up 1 map like cooller does :)

but he is not cooller sir

pretty decent mappool, would only be better for me if T4 was there.
But this will do :>

Thank god they removed battleforged.

Cyphers going to fuck everyone up, big time :)

C U AT COOLLER TIME FRIEND

Not if he meets rapha :) cypher has stepped up 1 level, but both him and avek seems to have a very hard time against rapha.

if cypher meets rapha, he's out... he doesn't play his game vs rapha, he's afraid and tries to play slow without items..if cypher didn't know he was playing rapha when he plays him it would end 20:0 for cypher. =)

That's naive. He may do better, but he would probably play around as well as k1llsen did. That is to say, the game is totally up in the air for either player.

I maintain that rapha is a smarter, more adaptive player than cooller. Cooller's strength is consistency, which is why he hates all the new maps which now require critical thinking to win. Cypher might have cooller's number, but rapha can certainly counter him.

Confident fast paced cypher is just too much for human opponents to handle..=) amai for example is a great player and cypher made him look like a puppet.

amai isnt a great player, he is way below pro level

battleforged : <

i like the mappool cool:>

Blaze, DaHanG, not DaHang :|

care level is not-so-high

my bad..

great map pool! would love to see BF replace dm13 and perfect!

Why does T7 keep getting chosen over T9? WHY?!?!?!

it´s a great map ;)

dm13 <-> t9 , there you go.

cause it's better map ?

Because people who knows the game got to decide.

Cooller got to decide and he chose t7?

yes

Decent mappool, not a huge fan of Hektik, feels like an Aerowalk where its easier to maintain control somehow. But good playerlist, good maps!

This is gonna be my first dreamhack in 5 years where I cannot attend though :(.

I actually prefer hektik over aerowalk. Aero has its fans but it really should just go away. Fast paced and all yes but hektik can easily replace it. Bring back T9 to replace aero.

cao ni ma
t9 sucks so bad compared to aero

does that mean fuck your mother?
I actually recognize that.

mandarin skillz brah?

WOW, that's impressive

no dm6 :(

rofl

wrong smilie

It may be a pretty one sided map but it usually contains epic games :D I still love it!

thats not unique to dm6 - every classic map has epic matches in its history like t4 (z4 aimraping vs daler, cooller comeback vs cherya) or ztn (b100death last second comeback, unk1nd teleexit flickrail) just to name a few

and know what? k1llsen vs rapha on BF or zero4 vs dkt on hektik were kinda epic too.. the reason you remember so many great dm6 moments aint that dm6 is great - but that dm6 has been played extreeemly often.

dunno.. if i had the choice to spectate a dm6 or BF game i'd pick the last, because ive seen it all on dm6 and only reckless moves like the k1llsen vs. purri start in the eps can amaze me there (and that stuff wont happen in a topclass duel)

hf playing hektik.

btw: invite = 100% attendance?

no, but most will most likely attend. I know one or two that's a bit uncertain. But I think it'll work out!

replace t7 with something else already =(

Finally a ql tourney with toxjq!

say what!?

\o/ \o/ cooller \o/ \o/

nice map pool except for furious heightzzzzzzzzzz

Needs Toxjq and it'd be perfect.