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yeye its what I use as well but still curious xD

Pretty sure only Cypher doesn't use a WMO/Intellimouse

rapha - wmo
cypher - abysus
cooller - wmo
strenx - kinzu
spart1e - xai
stermy - ms 3.0
l1nkje - kinzu

all hail mice and configs, yeay

yeah cuz everyone knows if you use teh same config and mouse as a pro, you will instantly become pro.

of course, but mousepad is important too

There really is always one prat who has to make this comment in every config thread/question/comment

i just dont get why everyone cares so much. sure, some mice are better than others (in some ways), and the same goes for configs/settings, but people think that pros always know best about everything, so therefore everything they do is perfect and should be copied exactly.

the truth is, they have skill, and could kick your ass with the default settings... configs and mice are personal preference and it depends on what you like: different mouse grips arent better than the others; they just feel different. same goes for EVERYTHING

So what? It's still interesting...

Everyone's heard the same "using a pro config won't make you better" line over and over. People just read configs to see what other people are using out of curiosity. Same for hardware. Doesn't mean every single damn thread one person needs to same the same shit

do a poll, laser/cable, material type/etc etc, or a cheap free survey. end it all for forever

I think you are looking it at the wrong angle. It's not that people think that "pro's" know everything and therefor copy everything exactly, it's that they know their hardware does not limit them. Same with configs, it's just interesting to see what setting people play on and then see how it feels for players themselves. "Hmm, this crosshair of cooller rocks but the white walls that dahang uses look uber!"

Config's and mice are a personal preference till a certain level, you don't need to be a rocketscientist to point out that picmip >3 and green skins are easier to shoot than default high graphics and normal skins. You are also wrong about the mice, it's not just the mousegrip, it's in combination with playstyle, how the player holds the mouse, sensitivity, etc.

tldr; Wrong. Sure, using a pro's settings might not make you a pro... but you are sure those few things aren't limiting you!

i know that its interesting to see what other people play with, especially the pros, but so many people want to follow the pro's exactly: exact same hardware, configs, settings etc. etc.

i know that there are people who are just curious, but there are also a lot of people who think that pros are gods and should be worshipped and everything they say is true.

ive played with a few pro configs and couldnt stand them. some settings were cool but the graphics/binds/whatever were usually too much to handle. still interesting experiences

also, i know that its not just the grip about the mice. i was pointing one thing out.

ive played with a few pro configs and couldnt stand them. some settings were cool but the graphics/binds/whatever were usually too much to handle. still interesting experiences

lol? :/ kinda takes away your credibility.

how so? they were annoying, and too different from mine. im sure somewhere some pro uses a similar config to mine, but atm ive only really used fatal1ty's (supposedly) config and coollers config. a year or so ago.

the whole point of these threads is to look past the inital annoyance of having to use different stuff and try to analyze which settings/hardware is used to what effect. if you can't even get past that point this is lost on you of course.

ok then yeah thats cool and i dig. i just dont like people who follow the pros's' every move and action because their opinions are the best ones and should be adhered to etc. etc. etc.

Am I the only one that aims worse with the models too bright? (I prefer overbrightbits 0 over 1)

For some reason when the models pop out too much I can't aim properly.

try setting enemy model upperbody to black and see if it suits you.

i'm pretty sure a lot of the pro's have the same config, I thought i overrheard most of them having fox's style of config..

config or hud?

Fox's visual setting style is very common among top players.

fox/noctis config structure and fox/stermy gfx settings are pretty common. on the pics from recent comps lots of players seem to be using a cooller style hud (clock).

I've seen roughly 3 big trends for the gfx :
nowadays Fox / Noctis = vertex 0 and some wacky overbrightbits/mapoverbrigthbits ( like 0/1 or 1/-1) work to get a washed out feel kinda like a cleaner oldschool vertex 1 cfg.
Fox a few months ago/Stermy = vertex 0 mapoverbrights and ob = 1. Looks pretty modern.
Oldschool q3 looking stuff ( aka copy/paste hello my cfg is a mess ) vertex 1mapo 5 ob 1.

true, i started using fox style gfx lately:

r_vertexlight 0
r_intensity 1.2
r_overbrightbits -1
r_mapoverbrightbits 1
r_picmip 6

very clean and great looking maps with bright green enemies :)

yeah, the first thing that caught my eyes ( other than the fact it looked like a cga version of an ultra clean vertex 1, really there's like 4 colors max on the screen :D ) is that YOU CAN SEE THINGS WHEN THERE ARE PLASMA BALLS ON THE SCREEN unlike with the old fox/stermy one.

I still think it looks better though but one day I'll really rage cause I can't even aim with my own fucking plasma gun and use those weird ob/mapob.

The thing is that fox use intensity 1.2 and ignorehwgamma 1 with r_enablepostprocess set to 1.It means that neither the intensity or ignorehwgamma works :P Same for stermys cfg etc.If you want intenity to work you need to put enablepostprocess to 0.

i'm pretty sure ignorehwgamma has no effect in quakelive & afaik postprocess 1 enables r_intensity. care to explain what you meant or can you give a source?

Intensity doesnt work for me with postprocess on 1.Instead you have the r_contrast cmd.Dont have any source but i can put intensity on 2 with postprocess on 1 and nothing change so :) And no ignorehwgamma dosent work either with postprocess on 1.Mayby someone with more knowledge can enlighten us on the subject.

Edit: ignorehwgamma does work in ql tho.You just need to put postprocess on 0. God i feel like im repeating myself ,i need coffe :P

ye, you're right. with postprocess 1 neither intensity nor hwgamma do anything at all. good to know.

Try fox settings but disable postprocess and use a sligth intensity like 1.2-1.3...abit brighter models but still the same gfx.

r_mapoverbrightbits 1
r_overbrightbits -1 or 0
r_ignorehwgamma 0
r_vertexlight 0
r_enablepostprocess 0
r_intensity 1.2 - 1.3
r_gamma depends on alot of things but i use 1.5-2

yeah you're right, it's slightly better.

that's exactly my settings except for the postprocess, will try and report back.

well... i can't see any difference. wtf :/

r_mapoverbrightbits 1
r_overbrightbits -1
r_ignorehwgamma 0
r_vertexlight 0
r_intensity 1.2
r_gamma 1.7
r_enablecolorcorrect 1
r_enablebloom 0
r_picmip 6

with either r_enablepostprocess 0 or 1.

edit: r_ambientscale is 100 and r_contrast is 1 if that makes any difference

Hmm weird ...i mean the difference isnt big but you get a little bit more visible enemymodels while maintaining the smooth gfx.

check the simple items of the lg. it's slightly more white than yellowish with his cfg. same for all the other colors, they're a bit more vibrant.

i use an old crt with contrast and brightness jacked up to 100% to get a 'good' visibility. maybe i'm the wrong person to judge this :d

so you guys are suggesting postprocess 0 and upping the intensity? i vaguely remember having difficulties with overly bright maps/items in the past but you're right that it should be better overall.

My Iiyama vision master 1451 doesn't have a green setting so I set it to something that looked good in quake and decently approximated the way I tweaked the laptop's screen settings ( lot of photographs there ) and then I tweaked a driver preset for Team Fortress 2 so i can't really help :/

But to be honest, the old fox/stermy gfx litteraly burned my eyes on dm6 and other maps with a big contrast.
Best bet would be to note your current settings then try to tweak shit to get a photography-friendly setup thanks to the interwebz and then tweak shit ( aka go on esr, standard theme and try to see somethin elese than black on grey with some blue-grey here and there :D )

i really like the look of the map with overbrightbits -1 but the models arent bright at all
any way to combine the hushed tone of the map with -1 with the bright models of 1?

screens attached for a comparison

i'm switching back and forth right now myself, you could try lowering r_contrast with obb -1.

Can you link your crosshair? looks good man.

feels* good man

the black part is in the custom hud. uploaded it together with my cfg here on esr, check my profile

you might be right for intensity but ignorehwgamma does its job here.

I use:

r_vertexlight 1
r_intensity 1.2
r_overbrightbits 1
r_mapoverbrightbits 1
r_picmip 6

way better imho :x because the enemy models and the crosshair are actually really bright where as the map is nice and dark.

Depends what gamma you've got doesn't it? I think I use the same settings and both the map and models are bright

i dislike vertex in ql, you can get models etc. real bright without it.

I've been playing with such dark settings that after the recent update I was surprised by how colorful some of the arenas were that I'd never seen before. ca2 just looked totally dark green before, now it looks alot more dynamic.

what's your ignorehwgamma setting?

my gfx are one the right, his are on the left. you see the difference?

http://imgur.com/x9Fuv

Especially the crosshair and the enemymodel look way brighter and are more distinct from the rest.

gamma etc. are the same! ive just used this settings put them into a cfg and i execed it thus r_gamma and other settings are the same!

vertex 0
mapo 1
ob 1
postprocess 1

shazaaam.

thanks for clearing that up. i've seen a lot ppl not using it though...

you really can't see shit through plasma balls though. Gonna try your settings to see if it's better or not.

edit : yeah, for some reason the visibility through plasma is a bit better but some maps really look like shit.

it is sad but true. maps like c8 and ca2 look really weird but most of the maps work fine with it!

I'm gonna stick to my new beloved xanax quake and slightly bump my crosshair sizes to compensate their lack of brigthness :D

Thanks for the tips though.

thanks, that's pretty nice.

i have a slighty higher gamma with my settings though and i personally prefer not having models like this: they almost look like fullbrights from certain angles.

It's not a matter of this, it's a matter of testing. Someone winning a lot with particular hardware/game configuration states that at the very least, their setup unlikely to be bad in some glaring way.

It's also a case of experience. Folks that play a lot slowly update their settings towards a 'norm' that works for them, and there are certain commonalities that appear. These become interesting because there is greater and greater testing.

Also like others have said, a lot of times it is just for ideas. Settings are fun to play around with, and sometimes you find things that you haven't thought of trying before and when you try them for yourself you prefer them.

yeah i completely agree with this. i was just directing my hate towards a specific group of people :D

i already explained myself so im not going to again. but yeah, experimenting is fine i have absolutely no problem with that. its true that pros have been playing and tweaking a lot, so yes, their configs would have some pretty crucial and crazy/new information in them. no doubt.

+etc

g9x, but I'm not a favorite I guess D:

omg ... and i thought this logitech is a reason i suck so much. must be me then :) what pad you use?

killsens using it too ;)

yuka too

yeah it was THE mouse

Do you know what mouse kgb uses?

Didn't Killsen buy another mouse recently?

no idea

razer goliathus

u are :3

ok ok ok. Everyone uses a WMO.

But really, what's so special about it ?

It's not that cheap (around 30euros here), the buttons are very basic and the shape is very basic too. When I see a G9x, i can see some engeneer work that tried to make it better for gamers. Maybe it sucks, maybe not, I dont know, but at least someone tried to build the mouse thinking about what kind of moves you need to perform in games.

Pretentious as it is, I believe the quake pro players are the ones performing the sicket movements with a mouse. It would seems only natural that they need the sicket mouse and yet they ALL choose the same basic one.

I feel I'm missing something ? There is so many kind of mouses, why the exact same for everyone ?

shape is everything.

logitech built the g9x to make $$$, not to make us quakers happy.

not everyone uses the wmo, that's a common joke on esr. there's been a trillion threads about the pro's and con's of the different mice on esr, use search and/or start with 'sujoy's mousescore'.

everything has been explained in every tiresome detail, short version: the wmo sensor coupled with 500hz usb is still pretty good in comparison to hardware that is 5x-10x as expensive.

Because it IS cheap ( yeah, france/belgium = meeh but you can get a box of 3wmo for 30euros from england ), the sensor is still the most reliable one you'll find as long as you don't play low sens (30-35cm being the beggining of the neg accel zone ) without accel, they are used to it and it's really light.

Where can I get WMO in england with EU delivery?

amazon.co.uk.

Find the right seller and you'll get a box of 3 for 35euros max with the shipping fees ( I remember seeing 30 but that was a couple months ago )

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Wheel-Mouse...=8-1-fkmr0

is this the right one?

I do believe it is, yes. You might want to check on the forums if the serial number is either for a 1.1 or a 1.1a, just in case they dug some oooooooold 1.0 out of a bunker ( the 1.0 has a meeeeh sensor ).

1.1 = 1.1a

the black one is guranteed to be the newer model.

I think Microsoft found out about it's popularity because it used to be like 5 EUR and now it seems most stores are selling them for 20 EUR.

just because something looks like a spaceship, does not mean some engineer wanted to make gamers happy.

infact, i am pretty sure a mouse does not need to look like a spaceship, in ordner to work properly, even for gamers.

30 EUROS LOLOLOLWAT U GETTIN RAPED FOOL

It's a collection of small and good attributes that adds up to an all around excellent mouse.

The weight, the grip, the durability, the feel of the buttons, robustness of the sensor and possibly design of the mouse feet.

It happens to be the lightest mouse on the market without a radically different design such that its grip could become an issue like in the abyssus/salmosa.

unrelated mouse question: does anyone know if there any difference between a normal mx518 and the rebranded asus ones? (see pic)

I would love to know. I <3 my mx518!

right i stopped being a lazy piece of shit and just googled it - its the same sans the logo (:

mx518 bestest

Too bad logitech are a bunch of lazy bastards. They have updated mx518 TWICE, but still haven't given it 500hz USB 2.0 controller.

dno wtf that is i just like the shape of the mouse plus buttons

currently using bed as mousepad $

shell

tak <3

does it have the g5 feet?

rapha - WMO
Cypher - Abyssus (or something like that)
Cooller - WMO
strenx - Kinzu
DaHanG - Kinzu or Xai, didn't pick his up
Spart1e - Kinzu or Xai
stermy - 3.0
dkt - 3.0
chance - WMO
draven - Kinzu or Xai (I think)
l1nkje - Kinzu or Xai

Do you know if the people with the Kinzu or Xai are sponsored by them?

fanatic is for sure

in general

if a pro uses any other mouse than wmo/ie3.0 this means he was forced to do so by a sponsor

Pretty much. There might have been some players there using those mice voluntarily, but most of them were sponsored players like the Fnatic and EG team members.

Pretty sure:
Spart1e - Xai
DaHang - Kinzu
L1nkje - Kinzu

chance and i use the kinzu

Kinzu is a brilliant optical mouse but the claw grip is the deal breaker for many, including me.

so what is bad about it except its for fingertip players?

Positive acceleration and shitty mouse feet.

so which mouse do you suggest?

i hate WMO and Intelli 3.0 Both much to big, and to heavy.
im a fingertip player.

i hate MX518/Kone mice. i dont like razer shape, much to long. you cant control the vertical axis with your fingers because its much to long.

I like G1 shape.

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i actually think the mouse feet arent to bad.

sure one big round circle like an O around the sensor would be perfect. but there is no perfect mouse at the moment out there.

best mouseshape ive ever had was the Logitech M-BB48
http://www.drivers.ru/images/catalog/mc48.jpg

but try to do flicks with it. it hangs up so fast...

http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_....169419400

One big O around the sensor ? I think it already exist, and it was a fucking imac mouse. The fact that you must hold your mouse like a claw makes it impossible to design it as a circle...

Also, I completly agree with you about the fact that WMO or 3.0 are too long and that it makes it difficult to use negative vertical axis. But I had a M-BB48 and it had exactly the same problem and thats why they "cut the ass" in what would become the best shape ever : MX300

g3, maybe g9x. the salmosa is way too long in comparison to the pilot shape.

i am also fingertip user and i always used mx300. after it died i tried many mice and ended up with g9x + increased m_pitch + accel + low friction of razer goliathus control pad. now i am fine.

mx310 best

better:P

best

I have the mx518, but just because 500 is not available anymore:( The Mx500 had a zillion times better sensor and also it had a more durable cabling as well... As we all know good things will never be successful in any economy what's based on consumption. Everything is more advanced ofc, but also everything is getting worse and worse quality. You will always achieve better sales numbers if you spend your money on advertisements than what you would get by spending the same amount of money on the quality of your products.. ergo mx500 had to die and all may welcome the cheaper mx518:(

but still the same shape so I love it:)

>The Mx500 had a zillion times better sensor

How? I have both Mx500 and 518. I say placebo.

nope,

ESReality MouseScore 2007 proved that the MX500 indeed got a better sensor, but I have to agree with you: no one would really feel that difference since you would have to move the mx518 with an insanely fast speed.

The problem is that the mx518 got an autosnap feature on the hardware level, which can (and will) fuck your aim up pretty badly if you are against some high level dancer:)

I'm just a casual quaker now with only a few hours public games / week, so it's not really an issue for me anymore. But it was a big problem when I was actively playing several hours every day.

The MX500 was tested at 400 cpi and the MX518 at 1600. If you set it to 800 or 400(without Logitech's drivers) it performs a lot better. Equal to or better than the MX500 at 400.

So it isn't better to use the maximum of your mouse?

Depends on the mouse and your sens basically.

In my opinion, anything higher than 400-500 (optical) is simply marketing gimmick.

800-1000 *can* be useful but tbh, the starcraft nerds always make me want to chop my head off OH HAI I HAVE 3000 DPI MOUSE I USE SENSITIVITY 9/11 IN WINDOWS, 7/10 IN DRIVERS AND 0.82 INGAME

it's over 9000:D

Well, I know it might not be useful, but is there any harm in using 1800 DPI sensor for ~20 cm/360?

Dunno, last time I helped someone who had neg accel with a mx518 ( and I shouldn't have, he really was a moron ) he was using something like 30cm/360.

I don't think you'd hit neg accel but there's no harm done using 400dpi :D

I thought it's better to use the full potential of your mouse. ;) Anyways, you know where I could read more on the subject?

There's full potential and full potential :D

Some sensors just aren't as good with dpi x than with dpi y wether it be neg accel, max tracking speed, jittering....
There's the good old esr mousescore, but most of the knowledge ( more like complete nerdyness ) lies in th hw forum.

At 20 cm/360, for the majority of cases, you don't have anything to really worry about in my experience. There can be trouble with flick shots if you're very fast, but if you're not, no problem. Now if you were 40 cm/360 I would absolutely say use 800. At 40 cm, 1800 was unbearable for flicks. I play at around 20 cm/360 now as well, but I still use 800 to stay on the safe side. Pick your poison.

it also depends on your mousepad.

what do you mean exactly with this statement?

The problem is that the mx518 got an autosnap feature on the hardware level, which can (and will) fuck your aim up pretty badly if you are against some high level dancer:)

he means prediction.

^^ this (ty btw:) I didn't know the name of the feature)

maybe that's why I cant seem to hit any rails :D