ESR - IEM QL4 Asian Ch. Finals

<< Comment #1 @ 02:48 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Grumlouze

Utal1ty ? Seriously ? D:

<< Comment #5 @ 03:18 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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butchji - Reply to #1

epic conflation of Utaro and fatal1ty. Must be pure pwnage!

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<< Comment #2 @ 02:55 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Mav_

Where's python? Or anyone else who's playing in Australia or New Zealand?

<< Comment #3 @ 03:03 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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wch - Reply to #2

Sponsorship is close to impossible to get here (Australia) and flights to Taiwan are not cheap (~$700 or more 1 way...)

It's ridiculous that Australian's and Kiwi's need to qualify in Asia if they want to play in the World Finals. We should have our own set of qualifiers... even if we only get 1 spot @ the world finals.

Maybe things will change for the next IEM season.

<< Comment #17 @ 05:00 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #3

No you shouldn't, you already qualify undeservedly to enough WC's in various sports just because you're a continent. :P

Edited by hnns at 06:46 CST, 4 February 2010

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<< Comment #69 @ 15:47 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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wch - Reply to #17

Example?

<< Comment #75 @ 20:28 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Raaaaaagh - Reply to #3

I agree.

<< Comment #4 @ 03:09 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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xy-

No 9sky?

<< Comment #23 @ 05:58 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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incendiary - Reply to #4

rb asked him, he said
1. not much ql time and being old -> bad shape
2. no server to train
3. being busy before new year and damn the visa shit

<< Comment #25 @ 05:58 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #4

9Sky and RocketBoy couldn't get VISAs in Time :(

<< Comment #43 @ 07:33 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #25

who is 9sky?
sad to hear that rocketboy isnt playing, would have been interesting to see how he is doing

<< Comment #82 @ 22:01 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #43

another great chinese quake live player, who actually played quite a lot with RocketBoy

<< Comment #6 @ 03:21 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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unihumi

Go Britney!

<< Comment #7 @ 03:27 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr

Go Britney!

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<< Comment #8 @ 03:28 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr

LOL 06:30 EET gg.

<< Comment #9 @ 03:41 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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amOKchen

Hope there will be some kind of stream for this that will be smooth go 2gd!, would love to see how good the asians are compared to the likes of prozac.
Not counting jibo, he is already special! :>

Edited by amOKchen at 03:42 CST, 4 February 2010

<< Comment #10 @ 03:44 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Slasher - Reply to #9

Protip: Reading.

<< Comment #18 @ 05:29 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #10

asia & smooth stream isnt a matter of reading, it a matter of hoping.

<< Comment #11 @ 03:44 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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davis

will watch

<< Comment #12 @ 03:55 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Kill_

No blackbear ? :S

<< Comment #13 @ 04:09 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Bloodpa1nt

Go Unleashed!

<< Comment #14 @ 04:37 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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mindz

Quake-live.tv? NICE! Ive bought this ESL Premium account, but this looks better! Lame!

<< Comment #22 @ 05:56 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ArchaiK - Reply to #14

Yeah, I've said it in the past and I will say it again; the fact that ESL doesn't (always) stream there own tournaments is unprofessional.

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<< Comment #37 @ 07:08 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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^AME- - Reply to #22

cry baby...they do an excellent job in streaming their tournaments. an to be honest, who wants to see some asians playing quake?

<< Comment #54 @ 09:36 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #37

well I heard that the last (not professional) stream of a japanese tournament was really well watched by other asians.

<< Comment #59 @ 11:10 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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^AME- - Reply to #54

well, the taste of the asians is debatable ;)

<< Comment #64 @ 12:28 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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FishStix - Reply to #22

well at least someone is :p

QLtv for lyfe

<< Comment #51 @ 09:11 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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swine - Reply to #14

ESL TV will cast Quake Live on saturday, so you will only miss 3 games, which are on friday morning 3am

<< Comment #94 @ 01:40 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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AdoreSP - Reply to #14

for me the site http://www.quake-live.tv/ aint loading, it is 08:40 CET

<< Comment #15 @ 04:38 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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CAREEM

1st jibo, 2nd prozac, but it would be a suprise for me if anyone of asian participants could stand a chance against them :)

<< Comment #16 @ 04:45 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #15

prozac lost a game versus unleashed last week.

Sure, this will be on LAN and therefore different, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least prozac doesn't qualify.

I don't doubt that jibo will get first, though.

<< Comment #24 @ 05:58 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ArchaiK - Reply to #16

I don't think jibo is as good as everyone make him up to be. The QL jibo I've seen so far has not
impressed me at all.

<< Comment #27 @ 06:44 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #24

i think the same about jibo. But when i saw him playing he had a very bad ping. That's why i want to see this tournament, and to see how do asian are playing since i don't know them

<< Comment #28 @ 06:53 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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butchji - Reply to #24

No ones says that. He is still miles better than the other Asians I guess. :P

<< Comment #33 @ 06:59 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #24

what butchji said.

<< Comment #29 @ 06:54 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ashr - Reply to #16

afaik prozac has been playing online on a netbook or at least a very shitty set up.

<< Comment #34 @ 07:00 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #29

Ok, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least prozac doesn't qualify.

<< Comment #305 @ 14:52 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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dCoy - Reply to #34

How surprised would you be if he did?

<< Comment #381 @ 01:37 CST, 8 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #305

If you could interpret correctly, you would realize that when I said "I wouldn't be surprised" it means that expect jibo and proZaC to qualify. But that I don't thinks it's for certain in proZaC's case.

<< Comment #399 @ 15:14 CST, 8 February 2010 >>

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dCoy - Reply to #381

Your point?

How surprised are you that he did?

<< Comment #400 @ 15:50 CST, 8 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #399

???

Not at all?

If someone says he wouldn't be surprised if something happens, that means he thinks it is more likely the opposite will happen, but that it's not certain.

I know you're trying really hard with that trolling of yours, but it isn't working too well...

<< Comment #401 @ 18:05 CST, 8 February 2010 >>

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dCoy - Reply to #400

What are you talking about? All I asked in the first place was
"How surprised would you be if he did qualify?"

You reply with paragraphs that don't even make sense most of the time.

Cliche'
You are the true troll. Teach me.

Edited by dCoy at 18:09 CST, 8 February 2010

<< Comment #404 @ 01:32 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #401

Just out of curiousity: Will you ever stop proving to everyone that you are a moron?

I said I wouldn't be surprised, if proZaC didn't which to every rational being means, that I expected him to qualify.
Which he did.

Maybe you are a person that is surprised if he ever gets something right, but I'm not.

Have some free advice to go with this:

"It's better to be quite and let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

<< Comment #409 @ 15:29 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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dCoy - Reply to #404

You crack me up.

*Let's all point and laugh at becks*

You said you wouldn't be surprised if he DIDN'T qualify, meaning it would have been no surprise to you if prozac didn't get a top 2 spot. How does that tell me anything about you expecting him to go through? You're just contradicting yourself now.

Edited by dCoy at 15:32 CST, 9 February 2010

<< Comment #410 @ 15:37 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #409

You should have listened ...

You're 17, right?

How about you just go to your English teacher and let him or her explain it to you?

<< Comment #411 @ 20:49 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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dCoy - Reply to #410

Lol... you're one funny guy.

Hey guys, I wouldn't be surprised if ID Software doesn't come out with Quake 5.

Now, do I state anywhere in that sentence; "I expect them to make quake 5"? I would hope they do, but I don't 'expect' them to.

Just stop replying to this, because you're attempt at trolling is at the highest point on the fail-o-meter.

Edited by dCoy at 20:51 CST, 9 February 2010

<< Comment #412 @ 08:10 CST, 10 February 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #411

Just had some time to look it up. Actually it is an interesting linguistic case.

"I wouldn't be surprised" as an isolated phrase is directly translated into German in every dictionary.
Which literally means that a person would not enter a state of being surprised if something happens. Unrelated to whether he actually expects it to happen or not.

However, what those dictionaries don't say is that the combination with a conditional clause alters the meaning. In that case the meaning changes, and it does make a statement about the exspectation, which is not the case in the German phrase. Therefore the translation suddenly becomes wrong.

Seems like I have to apologize, my intended meaning of my first initial statement was exactly as I explained later. Fucking English and its exceptions ... :<

So, I guess thanks for letting me learn another one.

Don't let it get into your head, though, I still think you are a childish idiot.

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dCoy - Reply to #412

I rest my case.

Auf Wiedersehen

Edited by dCoy at 15:14 CST, 10 February 2010

<< Comment #88 @ 00:03 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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shady8701 - Reply to #16

whats MVT in indian standard time?
or GMT?
need some kind of reference, wasn't able to google this shit :~(
Edit: ok found it, +5 GMT :S

Edited by shady8701 at 00:05 CST, 5 February 2010

<< Comment #19 @ 05:38 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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doz3r

Jibo is going to win this event \o/

gogogo m8 =)))

<< Comment #21 @ 05:53 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #19

THE DANGEROUS NAZI OOOOOOO

<< Comment #35 @ 07:04 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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doz3r - Reply to #21

hey nolifer :DDD
kill yourself - noone would miss u and the community would be happy ;D

<< Comment #44 @ 07:49 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #35

didnt know that its so EZI to make u rage, now i feel good.. thx! :DDDDDDD

<< Comment #65 @ 13:14 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #35

didnt know that its so EZI to make u rage, now i feel good.. thx! :DDDDDDD

<< Comment #20 @ 05:46 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Inane

Go go uNleashed!!

<< Comment #306 @ 14:53 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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dCoy - Reply to #20

At least he gets to place 3rd. Not too shabby.

<< Comment #309 @ 15:22 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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sixide - Reply to #306

Assuming he beats Fenda, which seems pretty likely after his last game against Jibo
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<< Comment #32 @ 06:59 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Sora

Gosia has broke his leg, Nitron has missed his flight.

<< Comment #26 @ 06:16 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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zeroql

Good Luck brate proZaC!

<< Comment #31 @ 06:59 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Mustaine

http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season4/taipei/news/113537/

Get well soon, Gosia

and gl to everyone!

<< Comment #66 @ 14:35 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Dird - Reply to #31

jiayou!

<< Comment #30 @ 06:58 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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linkoo

Lol at the talentless asians now-a-days imho anyone who qualified for the EU lan could win this event. $8000 seriously ?

Edited by linkoo at 06:58 CST, 4 February 2010

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Weird ' - Reply to #30

ehhh they haven't started yet? How can you be so sure they all suck?

<< Comment #40 @ 07:17 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #36

Not basing it on anything but what people are saying here that Jibo will rape, and I've played Jibo not long ago and he doesn't seem to be in form.

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Weird ' - Reply to #40

maybe that tells you more about the people you talk with (are here) than about the rest of the world :)
I won't judge their play untill I see it.

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ashr - Reply to #30

it's not lack of talent, it's lack of a scene. people in asia are only interested in CS, dota and RTS.

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<< Comment #47 @ 08:07 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #46

well, if you don't get more players after you get this chance 8000$ for 8players is a whole alot. and btw it shouldn't be hard for you to get servers, first guy I talked to who's a CEO of a ISP here sponsored ID Software without a thought. It's also up to you to get it popular. But ye was a bit harsh to call it talentless

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ashr - Reply to #47

prize money doesn't really help IMO. i can't really talk about other Asian countries but at least in India, a lot of gaming still happens primarily in LAN centers and not online. this means more closed communities, lack of exposure or information about upcoming tournaments, restricted access to demos/vods and other things that could help you become a better player... and most importantly, NOOB FRIENDLY TEAM GAMES like CS and Dota are played because people come there with their friends just to have a good time.

or FFA on dm17.

believe me, i've tried a whole lot to promote Quake in this country: organized tournaments, helped newer players, helped set up servers and even put in my own money for them. nothing helped.

QL in India is a lost cause. i rounded up a few people and we were even willing to donate a box for the server to run on but no ISP / GSP was interested in sponsoring bandwidth.

i kinda lucked out once Singapore put up a server as my ISP pings 50 to it but the rest of the Indian players get 100+ :/

Edited by ashr at 08:53 CST, 4 February 2010

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linkoo - Reply to #48

move to europe: no more problem

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ashr - Reply to #49

i'm not a pro gamer. there's no way i'd leave this place to just to get better at a game :P

<< Comment #50 @ 09:11 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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micke - Reply to #48

lmao@indians, you only know how to run casinos. you should have your reservations moved to sweden for some proper isps

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<< Comment #52 @ 09:32 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #50

I can almost see who will be the winner of this years:

most retarded remark of the year!

<< Comment #56 @ 09:47 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #50

native americans run casinos, indians make curry.

<< Comment #63 @ 12:19 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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micke - Reply to #56

tell me more

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<< Comment #89 @ 00:21 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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swine - Reply to #56

=D

<< Comment #144 @ 09:37 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #56

racism detected
XD

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zoinks - Reply to #50

Homer: 'Come join us, Apu. In a Civil War reenactment, we need plenty of Indians to shoot."
Apu: "I don't know what part of that sentence to correct first."

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-greg- - Reply to #50

muhahahha retard :DDDDD

<< Comment #91 @ 01:08 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Kwibus - Reply to #30

Could be, but it's also to promote QL in Asia.
Let's hope some new talents see this and get motivated.

<< Comment #38 @ 07:12 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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p4r4

Jibo about IEM (translated from http://forum.quakelive.ru/viewtopic.php?f=32&...mp;start=0):

"30.01.2010

Today I officially began preparation for this tournament, after Dubai I didn't think that I would ever be doing it again, but Intel and Carmac did their part, now I once again want to improve my skill as it was in 2002 and play as good as possible.

As currently I have no ability to play, I'm watching VODs from Euro final. I noted tactics on t7 and t9, but generally it's scary even to think how far away I am from Yanushevsky's skill..

Tomorrow I'm flying to Shanghai to play on Korean servers with at least 60 ping and to get used to QuakeLive's new physics.."

Edited by p4r4 at 07:41 CST, 4 February 2010

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<< Comment #55 @ 09:39 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ToyTiger - Reply to #38

I wonder what he meant by 'Intel and Carmac did their part', did they beg him to play QL? =)

<< Comment #61 @ 11:32 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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a hule? - Reply to #55

he says later that carmac called him several times.

edit: actually, he said:
after a week of calls and letters from Intel, it feels worth it to take a vacation and support Carmac's effort, he did a lot for the community

Edited by a hule? at 11:36 CST, 4 February 2010

<< Comment #62 @ 11:34 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ToyTiger - Reply to #61

Why? It's really strange.

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zealot - Reply to #62

i think it's pretty cool and not all that strange?

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Carmac - Reply to #61

Actually Intel Taiwan helped him get a visa to Taiwan (hence the mails and calls), but I don't think it was more than that.

<< Comment #73 @ 19:43 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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sixide - Reply to #38

Interesting he said 2002 for his best year. I would have figured 2006-2008 for duel or 2004 for TDM.

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User1067 - Reply to #73

He was talking about he's skill or form. In 2005-2009 overall level of competition was a lot weaker than in 2000-2004, so some players did a lot better even when not being in their top shape.

<< Comment #74 @ 20:27 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (ool-ad02d823.dyn.optonline.net) - Reply to #38

Jiayou, Zhibo!

<< Comment #39 @ 07:14 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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unihumi

NOOOOO! prozac shaved his head!

http://www.fragster.de/artikel/11908/ql-inter...1mp_quake/

<< Comment #41 @ 07:23 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Rondrian

n1troN will play, we rescheduled his one match to the next day.

Gosia will be replaced by another player, more details tomorrow.

<< Comment #42 @ 07:28 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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dansen

unleashed's nick calls for a massive amount of puns coming from whoever is commentating

<< Comment #57 @ 10:25 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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dronesoul - Reply to #42

YOU'VE UNLEASHED THE FUCKING FURY MAN!

<< Comment #114 @ 04:25 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (195.204.16.140) - Reply to #57

lol

<< Comment #45 @ 07:52 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ashr

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE TRUE P1MP.

<< Comment #58 @ 10:46 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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shqdow

no bets?

<< Comment #60 @ 11:27 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #58

will try to do bets for playoffs

<< Comment #67 @ 14:40 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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shqdow - Reply to #60

k =)

<< Comment #70 @ 17:37 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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d00mer

Somehow i dont think there will be some awesome games as they were during eurofinals, but im still stayin awake all night just to watch the stream - mainly for commentary from james and joe. Now i read esl tv will not make any stream tonight. Thats sad. Anyway i will see some more info and decide watch or not. Thank you very much for listening to all my problems :*

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hnns - Reply to #70

:*

<< Comment #72 @ 18:52 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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mammon

better get your cumbrellas ready kids

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<< Comment #76 @ 21:04 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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brumu

fucking fail lan, no stream at all..

<< Comment #77 @ 21:13 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #76

players are just done setting up, the 2 matches of today will be on the quake live tv stream, esl tv's streaming today will only cover wow

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brumu - Reply to #77

ok, cool ;)

<< Comment #80 @ 21:33 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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d00mer - Reply to #78

this part about wow is totally not cool

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<< Comment #141 @ 09:31 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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dronesoul - Reply to #80

any1 now were gandalf is?

<< Comment #79 @ 21:33 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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frs

what is this shit lol? the level is worse than some lower tier finnish guys dueling on pub...

<< Comment #81 @ 21:36 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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zar4

Lol @ how seriously the shoutcasters take it even though they're watching an obvious complete noob vs someone with a bit of experience.

<< Comment #83 @ 22:04 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #81

the current match should be better

<< Comment #87 @ 23:57 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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syanid - Reply to #81

it's because they just love the game! (you should go like "aaawwwwwww" now)

<< Comment #92 @ 01:10 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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QuakeLiveTV - Reply to #81

Would you have preferred we spent 40 mins shitting all over the less-than-stellar gameplay? I can definitely see how tonight's matches were frustrating for anyone who has been playing or following Quake 3/Quake Live for a while though. I didn't expect this level of gameplay at the LAN champs.

Perhaps Jibo and Prozac can bring some solid frags. Still... you gotta start somewhere, I guess.

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<< Comment #118 @ 05:09 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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zar4 - Reply to #92

No, but i would've preferred you not to take it as serious, i was grateful for the stream just pretty dissapointed at the turn out of that match :) So got kinda bored pretty early on dm6..

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dCoy - Reply to #118

He's a shoutcaster. They get serious about the smallest things:)

Gj QLTV.

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leopold ' - Reply to #128

Agreed, GJ as usual.

<< Comment #97 @ 01:49 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (bas5-toronto01-1177868517.dsl.bell.ca)

That was fucking shit. $8000 for this tourney? LOL..

Unleashed looked like he had some timing/movement but hes going to get out aimed hardcore by pros..

Fenda dunno yet, utaro? fuck, even ali nab could own him.

Mustaine cant time..

This is shit..

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Mustaine - Reply to #97

yeah, I really played like shit today, I feel sorry for wasting your time watching the broadcast or demos. I didn't expect that the venue were so loud I couldn't hear where my opponent is, I really don't deserved that money :/

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RMS - Reply to #98

Dont care about what somebody is saying. Just enjoy the game:)

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<< Comment #107 @ 02:51 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #100

ty cpt obv <o/

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linkoo - Reply to #98

get noise-cancelling headphones, and @ DH nordic there was literally some concert playing not 100meters away from me, and me with crappy headphones :P

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<< Comment #126 @ 05:54 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Kruzz - Reply to #103

ur face is crappy!

<< Comment #127 @ 05:59 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #126

Sk�ne is crappy!!

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<< Comment #272 @ 07:18 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Kruzz - Reply to #127

no you!

<< Comment #132 @ 06:44 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #126

quiet you!

<< Comment #273 @ 07:18 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Kruzz - Reply to #132

shatt app waffle boiiiiiii!

<< Comment #143 @ 09:34 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Raist - Reply to #103

I can relate to these guys as they probably have not attended such an event before. I had the same problem during my first lan event too.

<< Comment #105 @ 02:39 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Kill_ - Reply to #98

Don't let randoms trashtalk you man, just play your game and enjoy the tournament, don't think about people watching. :)

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<< Comment #108 @ 02:51 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #98

go pr0 or GTFO.

<< Comment #112 @ 03:57 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #108

tri-tra-troll the right ppl, or STFU! \<3/

<< Comment #116 @ 04:27 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #112

should i rly watch the nick before i reply? :(((( naaah thats not funny.. i speak to who i want how i want and when i want with \<3/ ur estonian hero

<< Comment #115 @ 04:25 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (bas5-toronto01-1177868517.dsl.bell.ca) - Reply to #98

Your game was fine, but you look like you cant time, you had some good aim and movement, but you need better timing to set up traps and shit, like unleashed was doing to you.

U_taro wasted my time..

<< Comment #113 @ 04:00 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #98

for any stupid future trolls on esr, just activate your [care][/care]-mode! gl for the next games.

<< Comment #117 @ 04:48 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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nDuser - Reply to #98

Have a plus, Dave. Don't let them bitches bring you down.

<< Comment #119 @ 05:39 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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frs - Reply to #98

i dont think you should take it personally, i think most are just somewhat jealous that a player thats not any better than they are gets to travel and get paid... which i completely understand.

Edited by frs at 05:42 CST, 5 February 2010

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stafu - Reply to #98

Don't feel bad mate, just have fun. Some people are just used to taking all of this too seriously, and don't consider the difference in scenes. I enjoyed watching the games, and I actually saw a couple of your practice games with unleashed and prozac on the JP servers the other day, saw you take a game from unleashed on dm13 :)

<< Comment #99 @ 02:16 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #97

The prize purse for this tournament is $4,000 for Quake Live, $20,000 in WoW and $25,000 in Counter-Strike.

<< Comment #102 @ 02:38 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Kill_ - Reply to #97

wow, anonymous trashtalking people, thats new..

<< Comment #84 @ 22:37 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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SpUt

demos of the first 2 matches are up in the match details on the esl website

<< Comment #133 @ 07:12 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #84

um, link?
seen the stream, nm

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 08:56 CST, 5 February 2010

<< Comment #85 @ 23:06 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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xy-

This must be the most boring tournament or qualifier so far, I won't even bother watching.

<< Comment #86 @ 23:30 CST, 4 February 2010 >>

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ted - Reply to #85

I don't get to see many Asian players so I am looking at it as an opportunity. Will they be as good as cooller? Certainly not...could you still learn a worthwhile thing or two though? probably...

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<< Comment #90 @ 00:39 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #86

dont miss out on authentic ninja quake or authentic samurai quake :P

<< Comment #96 @ 01:49 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Raaaaaagh

Twitter: "ESLcarmac proZaC has been beating Jibo in practice... uNleashed said in an interview that he expects himself and proZaC to qualify for the IEM WC.."

<< Comment #101 @ 02:35 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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RMS - Reply to #96

Jibo has won all his games against Unleashed today though

Edited by RMS at 02:35 CST, 5 February 2010

<< Comment #104 @ 02:39 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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BadBoy - Reply to #96

Just watched the unleashed-mustaine demo ....

....
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Jibo and prozac are at the IEM WC - for sure!

<< Comment #93 @ 01:27 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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vkl

So Fenda wins 25:0 and 28:0

OMG plz only send one asian and only 2 americans (rapha, dahang) so euros can get 3 more spots. this is fuckin ridiculous.

<< Comment #95 @ 01:45 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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frs - Reply to #93

His opponent couldnt even strafe jump and a friend of mine I introduced to quake 4 months ago is better than that utality guy...

and hes still getting 150$ just for being there haha

Edited by frs at 01:45 CST, 5 February 2010

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vkl - Reply to #95

serious esports....plz asians refrain from quake and go back to starcraft ^^

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n1ghty - Reply to #109

that's not fair at all. everyone should get his chance and that tourney might give a decent boost into the asian quake-scene. if their players increase, and guys like prozac, jibo and rocketboy train with them as the flagships of their continent, they have good chances, to get into a mid/high-shape within the next few months. quake needs to grow, no matter how ugly some steps seem to look like, cause every public demonstartion of that great game is good for it's future. so let's just hope, that the quake-virus infects as much of the guys living there as possible, for some new contenders!

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<< Comment #142 @ 09:32 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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vkl - Reply to #111

you saw the ^^....wasn't really serious

stillt atm useless to send more than jibo

Edited by vkl at 09:33 CST, 5 February 2010

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dCoy - Reply to #142

So at the tournament will be 1 asian, 7 europeans, and 4 americans. hmmm.

GO ProZaC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #159 @ 14:37 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #95

I am surprised cause in korean / chinese / singapore pub servers average skill is way higher than the utal1ty guy, I mean there are lots of decent duellers who clearly know the basics and advanced components of duel, way far from not even knowing strafing, bad invitation call I would say.

<< Comment #106 @ 02:51 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Python

LOL woops sorry :<

<< Comment #110 @ 03:34 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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kK_Storm

Any VODs available?

<< Comment #166 @ 15:56 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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QuakeLiveTV - Reply to #110

High Quality VODs will be available in a few days on http://www.quake-live.tv/ and our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/thequakelivetv .

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<< Comment #120 @ 05:42 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ani

03:30 CET, 7 February 2010 - Game for 3rd Place
04:30 CET, 6 February 2010 - Final

Really?

<< Comment #121 @ 05:43 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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dem0n

any vod ?

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deotrip - Reply to #121

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4458439

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<< Comment #125 @ 05:49 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #123

thanks!

<< Comment #122 @ 05:43 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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deotrip

qltv plz use picmip 6 and lower fov

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sixide - Reply to #122

QLTV sacrifices stream quality for VOD quality. They aren't going to change.

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deotrip - Reply to #135

hm too bad :/

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bsk - Reply to #135

And it looks just as horrible in the vods...

<< Comment #140 @ 09:23 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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wata - Reply to #135

what quality ? it looks uglier

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Liefje

love it :D

Edited by Liefje at 05:48 CST, 5 February 2010

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<< Comment #129 @ 06:22 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (195.204.16.140) - Reply to #124

zat prozac?

<< Comment #130 @ 06:27 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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deotrip - Reply to #129

no thats frozac

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n1ghty - Reply to #129

nah, that's "Blongd Tho Wing B1ngmp-ZaC"

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revoN - Reply to #124

He's wearing the headband upside down though...

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #277

glasses fault =(

<< Comment #146 @ 10:22 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ashr

imho, this tournament isn't a true measure of talent in Asia. for many of them it's their first big LAN or at least... a big one after a really long time. i don't think unleashed has participated in a big tournament since WSVG Quake 4. Mustaine plays better (i.e smarter) online with 100+ ping. there are a few Singaporeans and Koreans who couldn't attend. no visa for Rocketboy.

sure, there's no Asian player atm who can really compete with the top European or American players but i think there's potential. we're not a complete write off like some people seem to think. if only there were more tournaments this side of the world.

Edited by ashr at 10:24 CST, 5 February 2010

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stafu - Reply to #146

Agreed. Vsixsup and blackbear_kr come to mind too.

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somebodyshootme

listen guys
need to know
are those times
pm or am

<< Comment #149 @ 10:58 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #147

AM, Taiwan is GMT+8

Edited by hnns at 10:59 CST, 5 February 2010

<< Comment #148 @ 10:54 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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TosspoT

Has it got to the point where we have to have a token swede? :P

Edited by TosspoT at 10:55 CST, 5 February 2010

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Roswell47 - Reply to #148

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo ?

<< Comment #161 @ 15:15 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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revoN - Reply to #156

why fazz yo?

<< Comment #175 @ 19:10 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Roswell47 - Reply to #161

Haha you've got a keen eye.

<< Comment #303 @ 12:57 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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yikes - Reply to #156

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdUeVAkzEas&fmt=22

<< Comment #150 @ 12:13 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Nukm

the video interviews are great, ppl should definitely check the iem youtube channel.

wonder if unleashed really thinks that he can beat jibo o0
he seems like a nice guy though and he loves esr, what more can you want`? ;)

Edited by Nukm at 12:14 CST, 5 February 2010

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<< Comment #154 @ 12:48 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #150

With a pizzabox he can win vs jibo :P

<< Comment #157 @ 13:43 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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zar4 - Reply to #154

uNleashed seems awesome :D future jibo!

<< Comment #167 @ 16:34 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #150

iem youtube channel

Thanks for the pointer, usually avoid youtube but those two interviews were worth it. prozac's self assessment is quite interesting to listen to, too. Cool dude.

Edited by weltschmerz at 16:35 CST, 5 February 2010

<< Comment #158 @ 13:59 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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wata

man, 3h30 am, urgh

<< Comment #160 @ 14:47 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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skint

janus s21 powerk elan =((((

<< Comment #163 @ 15:33 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #160

did PowerK play in any other tourney after Razer? he was kewl

<< Comment #162 @ 15:32 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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oneroomdisco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvQiE1c1yr4

WOW

uNleashed english is a LOT better than when I stayed with him at WSVG Toronto. He improved a lot!

:D

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<< Comment #164 @ 15:41 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #162

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!! just kidding, he's cool.

<< Comment #178 @ 19:53 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Raist - Reply to #162

I thought his nose was UNLEASHED.

yeaaaaaaah well kidding aside, cool dude from what I can tell. Surprisingly good english too considering the japanese invented engrish.

<< Comment #299 @ 11:55 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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yikes - Reply to #178

Probably watches a lot of non-tentacle porn.

<< Comment #165 @ 15:51 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ani

Oooh, I hope uNleashed wins it all!

<< Comment #170 @ 17:05 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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occultum

Preview : Prozac for the win ofcourse! tho it's pretty obvious that jibo is going to be winner.. imo, since this is a no double elimination tourney, the 2nd place will be the one who doesn't face jibo in the playoffs.. in conclusion : prozac or unleashed.

<< Comment #168 @ 16:36 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr

omg so much talk about nothing.. get a life atleast at fucking friday night :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddddddddd

<< Comment #169 @ 16:53 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #168

i wanna be as cool as you :(

<< Comment #173 @ 18:45 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #169

omg so much talk about nothing.. get a life atleast at fucking friday night :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddddddddd

<< Comment #212 @ 01:01 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #173

fu :p

<< Comment #211 @ 01:00 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #169

i can teach u to be very cool estonian guy like me..very cheap 9.99euro/hour.. its not even 10 euro so u can pay !!!!!!!11oneoneoneoneone and i see that u dont feel sad anymore because i call other deutche as nazis.. this is cool bro !!!!!!11

<< Comment #192 @ 21:42 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #168

irony, check

<< Comment #171 @ 17:10 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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rupertt

unleashed got a scottish/english/ozzie accent going. Love it :)

<< Comment #172 @ 17:18 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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[mash]

japan loves cooller \o/

<< Comment #174 @ 18:54 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ted

unleashed is my new fav. asian player!

<< Comment #177 @ 19:46 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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revoN - Reply to #174

Seems pretty straightforward for a Japanese. I wonder if he talks the same in his own language ;)

I'm a fan already.

uNleashed-san ganbatte kudasai! (samonai to, ne ;))

<< Comment #176 @ 19:40 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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meat man

UNLEEEEEEEASSSSHEEEEEEEDDDDD

<< Comment #179 @ 20:47 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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butchji

proZaC is so talkative it's amazing. :D (especially compared to the other pros)

<< Comment #185 @ 21:13 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #179

just seems like a cool guy in general, up for a chat.

<< Comment #180 @ 21:00 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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rupertt

wazzap? thought they would start streaming 30min ago.

<< Comment #181 @ 21:04 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #180

nostream(33),noresponse(33)

<< Comment #186 @ 21:14 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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me - Reply to #181

same but it's working in fact

http://tv.esl.eu/de/

<< Comment #187 @ 21:18 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #186

thanks:)

<< Comment #182 @ 21:09 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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butchji

Someone should explain prozac the QL spawn system. (He keeps thinking someone might spawn on ztn platform while he is standing on it.) Great aiming though. ^_^

Edited by butchji at 21:10 CST, 5 February 2010

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Roswell47 - Reply to #182

Yeah he said in the interview that he still has the old spawnsystem in his brain.

<< Comment #249 @ 03:23 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #182

This is still technically possible afaik, though highly unlikely.

<< Comment #264 @ 06:11 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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butchji - Reply to #249

He stand right in front of the the spawn at platform. You simply can not spawn there then. :P

<< Comment #183 @ 21:10 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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frs

sound is a bit out of sync :<

<< Comment #189 @ 21:28 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (bas5-toronto01-1177868517.dsl.bell.ca)

I'd laugh hard if proZac wins the finals, probably piss off fox. lol.

<< Comment #190 @ 21:37 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Roswell47 - Reply to #189

How so?

<< Comment #296 @ 11:39 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #190

LOL ??
ding dong I'm dead, never mind me

<< Comment #188 @ 21:23 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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zar4

haha proZaC, i didnt think he would look this suited to QL to be honest, but he seems pretty good on t9 and already knows the flows of it, hope he makes it to world championship

<< Comment #191 @ 21:40 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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rupertt

I didn't know prozac's mom is the Grand Master of Persian Cussing.

hmmm... interesting.

<< Comment #193 @ 21:52 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz

Nice to see jibo playing like that, even if Fenda is not of the same level.

<< Comment #194 @ 21:55 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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yarrr

Nice guy.

<< Comment #195 @ 22:03 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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SpUt

available demos of today are uploaded now in the match details on esl

<< Comment #196 @ 22:03 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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rehepapp

average hp graph throughout the game

NEEDS QLCHART

<< Comment #197 @ 22:22 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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gyr0

Honestly after watching prozac vs unleashed I'm disgusted that two of these players gets into the finals and players like k1llsen and spart1e won't.

<< Comment #199 @ 22:31 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ted - Reply to #197

i'd take calipt over spartie, but i see your point nonetheless

<< Comment #201 @ 22:48 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #197

If you keep nurturing the well-known pro players from Europe, then you will shrink the pro scene. Perhaps the players that live and play Quake Live in Asia are not as skilled as the Europeans or Americans, but who is giving them a chance to improve?

If they don't take part in the Intel Extreme Masters, then how will they improve? How will they find reasons for their sponsors to pay for their flight to a DreamHack or a QuakeCon? They won't magically start being able to challenge high skilled opponents if they never play against them.

So be disgusted all you like, but we want to nurture all of esports instead of putting money into the same 8 players year in and year out.

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<< Comment #202 @ 22:56 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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gyr0 - Reply to #201

Yeah i guess the two europeans that are qualifying without playing against other better europeans are happy at least.

<< Comment #203 @ 22:59 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #202

Are you blaming proZaC for not moving out of Japan for a couple of months to play in the Intel Extreme Masters European Championship?

<< Comment #204 @ 23:05 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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gyr0 - Reply to #203

No i'm blaming esl for letting him play in the _asian_ qualifiers. What if he lived in africa instead of asia? Would esl host an event there just to please him?

<< Comment #205 @ 23:14 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #204

you're aware that proZaC is in fact Asian? :)

<< Comment #206 @ 23:17 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #204

He lives there. Why should he not be allowed to play in the Asian Championship? Should Lionel Messi be banned from playing in the UEFA Champions League because he is Argentinian?

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<< Comment #292 @ 10:06 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #204

lol..

<< Comment #311 @ 16:36 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #204

Are you serious?

<< Comment #208 @ 00:31 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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frs - Reply to #201

Please organize IEM Finland so us noobs can go to trips for free and get to practise vs pros : D

You do realize how 'cheated' some people feel when they see players of that level getting to LANs and shit when they themself are above those players skill level? Except in the online qualifiers they get crushed by those 8 before mentioned pros... (and I'm not talking about myself here because I suck ass)

It's just that the format you're running these cups in doesnt mean best players get to go, just those that are either top8 of the world or happen to live in somewhere without any competition..

If your #1 priority was pumping high level players up to pro level and expanding the PRO SCENE, you'd be running more LAN cups with prizes in countries that already have a big amount of active middle-high level players instead of this, but obviousy it wouldnt bring even close to the same amount of viewers. And that's all right, we understand that you are running a business, just drop the holier than thou attitude

<< Comment #209 @ 00:39 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ashr - Reply to #208

Please organize IEM Finland so us noobs can go to trips for free and get to practise vs pros : D

i think most of EU already has access to high skill to pro level play online and on a daily basis? why is it so bad that the whole of Asia gets one opportunity since maybe ESWC 2007 Quake4. the reason your average players are better than those at IEM Asia is because you already have a thriving scene with weekly tournaments and what not.

no, we don't "get to LANs". nothing happens this side. ever.

<< Comment #210 @ 00:48 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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frs - Reply to #209

Sure we can practise against each other and we do have cups, but obviously Carmac's point was to get more players to LANs and expand the pro scene like he said. The cups that we have here are dominated every week by those excact players Carmac said not to keep nurturing.

We did have a finnish scene cup a while back, but obviously a just for fun cup with no prizes and 100% online wont make anyone practise like an IEM would.

I think Carmac's post was about getting more people to take competition seriously and the way to do that is to motivate middle-high level players to compete, but sadly theres hardly any motivation besides fun for most people

Edited by frs at 00:56 CST, 6 February 2010

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Carmac - Reply to #210

My point was not to get more players to LANs. We can't afford to run 120 LANs a year in all regions. But the Finnish players can probably play vs. most of Europe on a relatively fair ping.

Every week there's an online cup where they can get beaten by spartie and, if they are persistent enough, they can take a map from him and eventually start beating him. They have nothing to complain about.

Of course it could be much better - you guys could have the ESL Pro Series like the Germans, but you're blessed compared to the Asians.

I live in Germany now and I honestly think that I could become an international class gamer if I put enough time into it (provided that I have the talent).

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ashr - Reply to #210

like i mentioned in another post of mine around here, there are other players in Asia who could probably do better than what you have seen here in this tournament but they aren't attending.

i'm not sure about how it is in Finland but don't you guys get good pings across EU? about the people who are dominating your online cups, i don't see that as a bad thing at all. you can only get better if you play people better than you. at least you can play them on a server and slowly try to figure out new things that might help you put up a better fight.

a tournament like IEM Asia is probably the only way a mid tier Asian player would get to play someone better than him (i mean someone he can actually learn something from). until Prozac came along, there was probably nobody in Japan who could beat unleashed. how could he get better? it's the same in Singapore, India, Malaysia, Taiwan etc.

regarding Carmac's post, they can probably have only one tournament per region. gone are the hey days of WCG and ESWC with their local qualifiers in many countries.

<< Comment #221 @ 01:22 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #219

The ultimate plan is to have ESL Pro Series in every country. We are relatively close to getting this system with CS, where the best teams in national leagues are qualified for the European Championship from their top domestic competition.

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ashr - Reply to #221

that's great news then but I understand how the process takes time. good luck to you guys.

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weltschmerz - Reply to #208

"Pro" gaming is a business, dude. Because somebody has to eventually cough up those prize purses and whatever.

You want to raise attention levels amongst possible sponsors world wide, you better give asian players a bite at the apple too. And who knows, in the end a japanese company might end up sponsoring your favorite european player.

Apart from that, I totally enjoy those dudes trying to show some good, offensive games these days. You definitely can't say that they were not working for those two slots they got.

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frs - Reply to #213

Yes thats excactly what I said, learn to read buddy. I told him I understand the motivation to do IEM Asia and it sure isnt to expand the pro scene, but to get more viewers and expand the attention ESL gets.

If your #1 priority was pumping high level players up to pro level and expanding the PRO SCENE, you'd be running more LAN cups with prizes in countries that already have a big amount of active middle-high level players instead of this, but obviousy it wouldnt bring even close to the same amount of viewers. And that's all right, we understand that you are running a business, just drop the holier than thou attitude

Edited by frs at 01:09 CST, 6 February 2010

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Carmac - Reply to #215

It is both and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. Our business stems from a nurtured esports environment. It's an entire ecosystem where a lucrative tournament cannot exist without a nurtured community. The thing is that the community is the root, not the tournament. So if this means running a "not as awesome" event if it means that next year it will be better, I will do it in a hearbeat.

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frs - Reply to #218

Ok, lets use Finland as an example. The level of players is higher and if you did IEM Finland instead, most of the high level players would practise, and the next year the event would be even better. Same as in Asia, except Asia has a lower starting level and 129083219 more viewers. So dont even try to say you're doing it to get more high skill players get to pro level or to get the highest possible competition out there. You're just doing it to get more exposure for ESL, like I said in my first post and theres nothing wrong with that

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Carmac - Reply to #225

You do realise how the Intel Extreme Masters works, right? And that Finland is not a continent?

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frs - Reply to #228

Yeah of course I do, but like it has been repeated many times in this thread, the best competition is not there, and some guys who are just as good or even better than prozac or unleashed dont get to go either.

edit: and like said before, the high skilled players in Quake are very concentrated in Europe and the exposure you can get by motivating them to go pro is by far way less than what you would get in Asia. So there's an immident conflict of interest, get the best competition by focusing into a small portion, or more attention but less competition by expanding. So please dont say both of them are your #1 priority

Edited by frs at 01:45 CST, 6 February 2010

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Carmac - Reply to #230

There are not more than four Premier Leaugue teams allowed to compete in the Champions League either. If they only allowed the top English, Spanish and Italian teams into the CL, they wouldn't be doing a football a favour either. It's the same case here.

I also seriously don't see how you can put Finland in the Intel Extreme Masters Asian Championship case. Calipt got a 7th place in the European Championship out of pretty much nowhere. You guys are in exactly the same situation as calipt.

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zpnq - Reply to #228

australia is

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becks - Reply to #225

yes, let's take Finland for an example:

Finnland: 5.3 Million people.
Asia: >3 billion people.

And if you count jibo, Rocketboy and Python I think you'll find that the achievements of Asian players top those of Finnish players. (If you consider, the tons of tournaments Finnish players were able to participate in.)

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frs - Reply to #382

Yeah and even with the population difference there are loads of high level players compared to Asia. Maybe you should read all the posts before replying with something that I've already mentioned a couple of times? And afaik none of those players has achieved absolutely anything in QL.

You're obviously missing my point, with Finland being located where it is, and grouped with Sweden where the level of top duellers is higher every finnish player who goes into the qualifiers has to go past the swedish pros to qualify to the local finals. I mean, if i had gone for a holiday in Taipei I would have had a decent chance at getting 3rd, if lucky maybe even 2nd, while I'm not even close to it in Finland and much less Scandinavia.

The tournament format gives exposure to players that do not deserve it in a sense, while there are 100's of players who dont get any attention and much less possible sponsorship deals. The problem with this and progaming is that to climb the plateau from high lvl to pro lvl requires so much effort and with no one giving you any motivation besides your own desire, you most often see people just fading into inactivity or not trying to push themselves anymore while at the same time they see some total newb like utaro getting money and playing in a LAN

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becks - Reply to #384

Yeah and even with the population difference there are loads of high level players compared to Asia. Maybe you should read all the posts before replying with something that I've already mentioned a couple of times? And afaik none of those players has achieved absolutely anything in QL.

I did read your posts and they are nonsense honestly.

As others have stated, Finnish players have all the possibilities to compete with the the pros in Europe. Remind me, who of them achieved anything?

And if instead of instantly replying with a long text you should have taken the time to actually think about what mine implies.

Quake has never been really big in Asia, except for maybe Australia.

With this tournament You not only give Australia some possibility to comptete, but also have the chance to promote Quake to billions of potential players.

Another Quake tournament in Finland isn't going to change much on the other hand. Maybe get 5 more people off their ass, who can't do it for the $100 weekly online cups.

Again, if Finish don't manage to get anywhere in Europe's competitive scene it's their own damn fault. Asians, on the other hand only have this one.

Also: Please, link me to that Finnish player who can beat jibo consistently, or did better than Python or Rocketboy in big tournaments. Thanks.

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frs - Reply to #385

If we are talking about QL you're right, finnish players havent achieved anything, but neither have rocketboy, jibo or python. Why are you even bringing it up? I never claimed there are finnish players who could beat jibo, but there sure as hell are lots of those who could beat everyone else in the tourney. you're still missing the point though, we can play against them np but to qualify or get anything out of it you need to beat the very best in Europe basicly.

I already said it's totally understandable why they are doing this, it's better promotion but better promotion doesnt necessarily mean the tournament had the highest possible level it could have had.

If you havent noticed, it's not only Finland either. The top spots in the cups are always taken by the same people and if the whole point of this is to not nurture those few pro's but to get new names out there, you need to get high level players move up to pro level. The way it is now means to get anywhere in a scandinavian qualifier you need to put in a fuckton of effort, while to get paid and to play in a LAN in Asia you just need to show up, ie. they get outside motivation without putting in as much effort

edit: and just to clarify, I've got no problem with Asians having their own LAN, but the way IEM is setup now, with swe duellers > fin duellers > asian duellers, with enough noticeable skill/experience gap to be totally predictable, finnish players get the short end of the stick here. Same could be said for danish and norweigan players too. If asian players had to qualify against swedish players, none of them woud qualify either.

if you organized a LAN cup in any scandinavian country where the 1st prize would be a case of beer, you'd see a ton of activity in that country. Now, with everyone in Scandinavia needing to qualify with swedish players, most of the guys I've talked with are "meh, cba, I tried a couple of times and had to play fazz and madix second round in the qualifier"

Edited by frs at 03:38 CST, 8 February 2010

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becks - Reply to #386

I already said it's totally understandable why they are doing this, it's better promotion but better promotion doesnt necessarily mean the tournament had the highest possible level it could have had.

noone ever said that it would be. Or that it even was a primary objective.

Maybe the idea is to improve the tournaments in the long run. Which is where your arguments are failing.

If you havent noticed, it's not only Finland either.

This one actually help my point. If the ESL followed your logic, they'd have to hold LAN tournaments in every European country. Money that they simply don't have (so whihch country shall it be?). It makes ten times more sense, to hold a single one that adresses tons more people.

You are also missing on big point. It is not like, Finland has just been a part of the European online scene. If there was a player with enough motivation and talent to hold his own against the top of Europe, he had more than enough chances to show it. They didn't. Others who had the same chances did.

On the other hand, it took fat to go to China to make Rocketboy known. Noone, can say how many uncut diamonds there are in Asia, who could maybe take the game to the next level. That won't happen if you get a random Finn to make a steady 9th - 16th.

To summarize:

A tournament in Asia opens tons of opportunities in promotion and maybe finding unknown players.
A tournament in Finland only offers the chance to get some unmotivated gamers of their ass, who have already had several chances to do so and didn't use them. It will also lead to complaints from all other European countries, why they didn't get a LAN, when even a country with a mere 5 Mio. inhabitants gets one.

So the conclusion is:
The only thing were Finland might have been better is the average quality of the participants (I would still have had my money on jibo winning that tournament). And Carmac and Rondrian have stated that that was never a goal.
For everything else, promotion, long term gain and practicability Asia is the blatantly obvious choice.

P.S: I also very much doubt that you would beat uNleashed, considering some Americans said he was quite good, and he managed to score several frags against jibo.

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frs - Reply to #388

The whole argument stemmed from the point that it's unfair to good players who fail to qualify in Europe but could qualify in Asia and why some of them could feel 'cheated', not that it isnt understandable why IEM was made this way. You're just arguing for arguments sake

You are also missing on big point. It is not like, Finland has just been a part of the European online scene. If there was a player with enough motivation and talent to hold his own against the top of Europe, he had more than enough chances to show it. They didn't. Others who had the same chances did.

Because there has been oh so many new scandinavian players entering the pro circuit? yeah right. there's been some discussion earlier how repetitive QL competition has already become, every week you see the excact same players in the cups fighting for the top spots, IEM euro finals was basicly zotac cup with ESL shoutcasters. The gap to go from a good player to someone who even gets 1$ out of it is much bigger in Europe than in Asia, its just a fact and I'm not sure why you are even arguing it. As of now utaro has earned more money with QL than any non-swedish scandinavian player.

Scandinavia is filled with high level players who have been playing for years without getting anything besides enjoyment, the question is, how do you motivate them to go pro?

edit: and I personally believe that neither the finnish or the asian players deserve to be in the world finals, because neither of them are good enough.

Edited by frs at 04:25 CST, 8 February 2010

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becks - Reply to #389

had a longer reply written, but then esr failed.

In short:

linkoo and xrebzy both played in the IEM EU Championship and afair won money during the online groupstage. And they aren't Swedish.
They also didn't have to pay for a flight like Utaro did.

So, if two players from a tiny country can mange to win something (hi linkoo, no offense ;) ), it should be not be a problem for all those Finnish players, if they have any motivation at all.

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frs - Reply to #391

Yeah and thats excactly what I'm saying, motivating high skill players to up their game, just like linkoo and xrebzy (they made hardly any cash though, was like 10$ per game if won?), but the key here is that they got something, some kind of recognizition for their effort to maybe show them that if they keep going, they'll get more. xrebzy even qualified for the LAN finals but couldnt attend cause of cost issues and lack of sponsor, but if scandinavian high skill players had gotten more attention before, maybe he could have?

so how do you get THOSE guys to improve to expand the pro scene? there are lots of players who are really good but lack the motivation to push themselves to the pro level, and they only require just something little to show for their efforts to start training(like a case of beer :D)

what im trying to do here is give internet heroes a break, those that are not quite good enough to make it to LAN finals or tournaments, but are wayyyy better than the asian guys who did.

Because quite frankly none of the asian guys besides jibo perhaps wont be expanding the pro scene for quite a while. Hopefully IEM Asia strats a more active scene there but its a fact that if you start to build a scene from scratch, it takes a while for anyone to be able to challenge eu/usa top players.

Edited by frs at 09:28 CST, 8 February 2010

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becks - Reply to #392

Yeah and thats excactly what I'm saying, motivating high skill players to up their game, just like linkoo and xrebzy (they made hardly any cash though, was like 10$ per game if won?), but the key here is that they got something, some kind of recognizition for their effort to maybe show them that if they keep going, they'll get more. xrebzy even qualified for the LAN finals but couldnt attend cause of cost issues and lack of sponsor, but if scandinavian high skill players had gotten more attention before, maybe he could have?

Yes, you keep saying that.

But that fact of the matter is: They DO get the opportunity. And that is what I have been saying a along.
If they don't take that opportunity, it is their own fault.

Now, it is the ONE chance for Asians to get anything in QL and people complain about it, claiming that Europeans need yet ANOTHER chance. It doesn't make any sense.

they made hardly any cash though, was like 10$ per game if won?),

Wrong.
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&...pid1777346

Xrebzy won $250 (and I think would have gotten another $150 for showing up??).
He won that money without having to pay for a flight for Taipeh, which I'd bet was more expensive than the prize money for 3rd or 4th.

Again: Support for European gamers is there, it's far far better than anywhere else. You have no point complaining if other continents get a small piece of the cake.

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frs - Reply to #393

Of course Asians deserve to get QL support too, but not at this scale in this moment of time. The rewards given here are at no way in balance with the level of play and effort put in by asians compared to the euro players, the prize money was even halved and its still too much in my opinion. A series of smaller cups, separate qualification cups to the finals were definately needed and im quite sure if players like python knew they'd get 1=1 return or more for the cash involved they would sure have showed up. I'm not really familiar with the costs of flying from Japan to Taiwan but a 3 hour flight in Europe isnt that expensive. Even from this thread you can read australians for example wanted their own cup

Edited by frs at 09:53 CST, 8 February 2010

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becks - Reply to #394

how do you know they put in less effort? Do you have anything to base that on except for you personal opinion?

Besides that it's interesting to see, that you have now started to haggle about amounts. Amounts, mind you, that are giving away to gamers.

Maybe 4000$ would have been a "more fitting prize pool", maybe not. It does not have anything to do with our previous discussion whether holding this LAN is a good choice. You need to realize, that those $8000 are hardly the entire expenses. The flights and accomedation for the staff had to be paid as well, for example.

And I honestly think another $4000 thrown into the European scene who already get the biggest share by far for some online tournaments (please substract costs for organisation if it's a LAN) just to help random lower tier players, wouldn't have gotten anyone of their ass that would then proceed to have an influence on the pro scene.
Zotac and G-DAta already throw in $5200 per year, each, let alone the EU Championship that bassically offered a small payout even down to Top 24.

So, if anyone who has the talent to actually beat the top players needs a $4000 tournament as motivation, he already has it.

However, if you really want national tournaments, top eliminate the number of articipating top players (as the ESL is already doing for Germany!), then you'd need way more than those measly $4000.

tl;dr:

If it's only about the money, I think the ESL will be happy to host a Pro Series in Finland or any country you choose, as long as you or anyone actually secures sponsors for it.

Until then Sponsors will rather see a big Asian tournament, than a small national one.

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frs - Reply to #395

how much effort can you put in if you dont even know how to strafe jump? did you even watch the games?

other than that, your post is about something completely different. no one never said holding iem asia wasnt good to hold, but that there are players who deserve the money more and it was purely a publiciity stunt. you're just going off in a tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with this and its basicly an endless argument if you keep up raising points that no one even argued against :D

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becks - Reply to #396

how much effort can you put in if you dont even know how to strafe jump? did you even watch the games?

effort is measured in time, not success.

The problem of the Asian scene is that Quake is hardly known and the scenes are isolated. How do you propose to change that if not by promotion through a LAN?

And certainly noone "deserves" this money anyway.
Why exactly would you want to fund someone who can't make an effort to get off his ass to win money online if he just makes Top 16?

So, disagree with that my point is unrelated, but I do agree that this discussion is endless.

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weltschmerz - Reply to #215

Well, you better learn to read. Because it's not only about the money ESL gets. It's also about the attention level and sponsorship opportunities esports players generally get, especially regarding companies that operate globally.

To make it still more obvious: more players in official tournaments world wide = more audience attention = more advertising opportunities = more sponsorship readiness. Mind you, not only ESL sponsors. But other tournament sponsors, too. And esports clubs and player sponsors as well.

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frs - Reply to #222

Yes excactly and the reasons for this are totally selfish from the company perspective, they are looking to make money, and that is excactly why I said he should drop the holier than thou attitude about giving everyone the chance to compete and such, when the truth is they just want the company and the business they are in to get more attention. And again, I repeat, there's nothing wrong with that.

Edited by frs at 01:40 CST, 6 February 2010

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weltschmerz - Reply to #229

It's just as selfish as "pro" players are who might want to eventually make a living off their sport. Because somebody has to pay for that.

So if you don't want to allow the established financing pathways into the game, like they are well established in other sports like soccer, football and tennis, you either successfully finance the sports by voluntary contributions - good luck with that - or live with the sport never growing beyond kiddie player communities who compete for nothing on shitty equipment in shitty lans.

And if that's the prospect you have to offer, my guess is that about any of your beloved finnish players will rather go with the ESL and similar than with you. Because the latter would appear to have a more realistic idea about how to get the money the players themselves eventually would want to cash in.

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frs - Reply to #231

I didnt say anything about not allowing money to come in or shit like that, I'm just saying that the way Carmac posted made it look like ESL is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, to give everyone a chance and hugs and kisses.

If he had just either not posted or told that they are doing it to get more exposure for esports/ESL instead of this being fair bullshit and how asians have it oh so hard in quake, there wouldnt be any problem.

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weltschmerz - Reply to #233

Man. Just consider that marketing. Carmac is the poor dude who, besides other things, is trying to sell the shit, also in our interest. Because we too want to see the communities grow and prosper, and see tens, hundreds and thousands of thousands of bucks handed over in quake grand finals to winners with broad smiles on their glowing faces.

So why not just show a little patience and excuse him for, likely involuntarily, mixing some slight marketing lingo into what else he has to say. Just read it the good way.

Edited by weltschmerz at 02:13 CST, 6 February 2010

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frs - Reply to #236

Because this is ESR and we dont want bullshit coating on our facts and you will be flamed for it, he doesnt have to market quake here. as simple as "allright dudes we know some of these guys cant play for shit but it brings more money and exposure so we did this instead of getting 2 extra high skill players into the world finals" would have gained a lot more respect and no flames :D a little honesty goes a long way

Edited by frs at 02:24 CST, 6 February 2010

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weltschmerz - Reply to #238

You better don't talk of "we". Because right now it's only you complaining. About nothing, actually.

Edited by weltschmerz at 02:23 CST, 6 February 2010

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frs - Reply to #239

Yeah I guess the point got lost along the way, anyway my true complaint is that there are noobs playing in a LAN when higher level players arent, and his holier than thou attitude.

You sure havent learned anything about ESR during the years if you think bullshit flies here :D

and it wasnt even my complaint in the first place, but 2 other guys raised it before me and i just replied

Edited by frs at 02:28 CST, 6 February 2010

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weltschmerz - Reply to #242

Well, what I learned is that a little over a year ago quake was as good as dead. And it's due to joint efforts of ID Software and particularly the ESL, including that very Carmac whom you require to speak some language you like, that things are picking up steam right now again.

Considering that, I see no problem in allowing them some freedom in devising what is in fact their business right now, including the ways they want to market, advertise and sell it. Also remember that anybody thinking he can do better than them is always free to set up some competition. If you do, I'm certainly looking forward to that.

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Nukm - Reply to #242

wow, plz stop referring to "we" and "esr" while wasting carmacs time to prove a point that is stupid to begin with

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<< Comment #248 @ 03:12 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #238

On the two World Championship slots:

1) Without prior facts (scores) we have the obligation to give Asia (+ Australia) the benefit of the doubt. The region has produced high skilled players in Quake 3 - RocketBoy, PowerK, Python. Of course it's very likely that the current players are much weaker, but we cannot take that for granted.

2) It is beneficial for the Asian FPS gamers to have a competition like this and for them to compete with the very best. Both economically and skill-wise. If you follow football, UEFA is actually trying to lower the number of teams from super strong countries in the Champions League so the little ones can become stronger.

3) ESL does not directly (in the short run) benefit from having a weaker competition at the Intel Extreme Masters World Championship. The Asian media will still follow it because of very strong World of Warcraft representation (the top 2 last year were Korean teams) and Counter-Strike. This is _really_ not about marketing.

4) ESL is in the business of running esports tournaments. What is good for esports is good for us. Sure, we need to make money, but we will not make money if we do not nurture the esports ecosystem (PainKiller + CPL).

It is beneficial for esports and the Intel Extreme Masters to have a stronger scene in the Asia + Australia region. I am sure that after a successfully run Asian Championship, next year we will have more good players coming (from Australia, for instance) and the ones that played this year will be stronger.

Perhaps someone like uNleashed will get a better shot at getting sponsored thanks to this and coming to more events in Europe. And with a player like him the competitions will be more interesting for sure, especially if he pulls off an upset once or twice.

It really is that simple.

5) If I really cared only to make money, I wouldn't be arguing with you on this site.

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G-nome - Reply to #248

what about new zealand!

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Carmac - Reply to #259

You guys were welcome to play as well.

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deotrip - Reply to #263

what about africa? :P

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p4r4 - Reply to #248

I agree that there needs to be an Asian championship, but the stupid part was to fill it by inviting semi-random people. I can't believe there isn't anyone available in Asia who would be more worthy for utal1ty's slot, for example. Asian championship should have been similar to European and American, where several known players were invited and the others battled for their slots in online qualifiers. You could've made separate Asian/Australian/South African qualifying tournaments, or something like that, it's not hard to organize some online tourneys to select the best players.
I generally agree about your ideas, but the particular implementation of current Asian QL championship isn't really faithful to them. It looks like the goal was to quickly find any players to fill the open slots, not to provide competition and chance for growth for Asian QL scene.

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Carmac - Reply to #271

Gosia from Korea broke both legs, I *think* this is why Utality was in. Also, we really haven't refused any Australian or NZ applications because there were none (unfortunately).

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p4r4 - Reply to #294

Eh, that's the problem, that ESL didn't make any qualification competitions, but just invited some players directly to the "finals".
So all the things you say like "giving Asians chance to improve", "find reasons for their sponsors", "beneficial for the Asian FPS gamers to have a competition like this" etc, are irrelevant.
You didn't give anyone chance to improve, you just selected manually some players. What if there is some "Jpooller" who can actually pretend on top2, but you didn't choose him to participate in finals because you never gave him a competition to show himself in? The fact that you manually selected players also voids all reasons for sponsors to support them because it's not their achievement that you (or whoever else) picked a name you like based on god knows what. By this hand-picking instead of proper qualifications you basically deprived players of possibility to demonstrate their results.
I don't know how it is beneficial for Asian FPS gamers. Imagine that you are that "Jpooller", and you see the Asian championship announcement on ESL and think like "oh yeah, now I will enter and show them my skill!", and then weeks pass and you see no news, and then suddenly you see that it's already "LAN finals" and that some "utal1ty" is gonna participate instead of you, and you haven't been given ANY chance at all. Will you then feel that ESL is really doing anything good to Asian players?

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Carmac - Reply to #298

Your post is based on assumptions which, if you don't have the full story, are incorrect. The signup numbers were pretty much 1-2 players per country, so there was no need to run qualifiers at all.

<< Comment #320 @ 20:40 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #319

Signups to what?

<< Comment #343 @ 00:55 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #320

srsly

<< Comment #348 @ 02:02 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #343

srsly, there was NOTHING to sign up to as far as I can tell.
1-2 players per country? Not believable. Your own ESL Japan cup had 32 players, for example. Or remember that 2v2 cup which had a lot of teams and 1000+ stream viewers (and btw, prozac&fenda did not win there, and weren't even able to get to finals which means there ARE some good players in Asia which could provide some competition at least for 3-rd/4-th place).
If you think I don't understand or don't know something or make wrong assumptions, then please explain where exactly I'm wrong. I am not inclined to bash ESL (or anything else) without any reasons, but right now you haven't disclosed any reasons for not to bash it.
Anyway, I hope you'll be able to make next season much better.

<< Comment #349 @ 02:05 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #348

We have not denied anyone the opportunity to compete in Taipei.

<< Comment #301 @ 12:48 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #294

No worries man. Your message was clear enough and has arrived.

Rome wasn't built in one day too and you obviously have to start somewhere to gradually build a broader community and community support on other continents. And nobody in a sane state of mind would require a start to be perfect, especially when means are limited in a natural way.

You guys are doing a great job, which imo can't be emphasized enough. Please continue to do so, it's highly appreciated. Halleluja, amen, god bless and this tiger year will bring much good for us.

Edited by weltschmerz at 12:50 CST, 6 February 2010

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ashr - Reply to #271

there are plenty of players in Asia who are way better than utality and maybe around unleashed's level. they didn't attend because of lack of sponsorship BUT they could have if they wanted to.

<< Comment #359 @ 04:16 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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j0sh_ - Reply to #355

but if they don't have sponsorship, wouldn't this be a prime time to show up and possibly GET sponsored?

<< Comment #360 @ 04:37 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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ashr - Reply to #359

i don't think one tournament is enough to get a sponsorship deal, especially one with players of considerably lower skill. sadly, there may not be another quake tournament in Asia for a long time to come.

nitron, the player from malaysia is actually a competitive CS player in a sponsored clan. he's been playing QL for only a month now. good thing his team is supportive of his decision to pursue Quake Live. i think he's quite good for his very limited experience in any form of Quake.

i really wanted to attend but it simply wasn't feasible to spend $1000+ on flights and accommodation when the best i could probably do is $300 for 4th place :)

<< Comment #361 @ 05:07 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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j0sh_ - Reply to #360

yeah, those travel expenses will get you everytime, when they're coming out of your own pocket =(

<< Comment #274 @ 07:31 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #248

that's just the beginnig, let's dream together :)

and btw with 2 non show (correct me if i am wrong) it is logical that the level has to be weaker than it would have been. Anyway i think that you're right and i'm curious to know how someone like unleashed will do next year.

<< Comment #237 @ 02:12 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #233

How many times do I have to write that "kindness of our hearts" is actually our business? ESL only benefits if the community benefits. That's how it works in sports.

<< Comment #336 @ 23:11 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Fearghas - Reply to #237

don't listen to the haters carmac, just keep running awesome tourneys that the rest of us enjoy watching (and playing in for some).

<< Comment #216 @ 01:10 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #208

we understand that you are running a business
dont need to say more, ur cpt obv

<< Comment #214 @ 01:03 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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vkl - Reply to #201

Its's a good thing trying to make QL popular in Asia. Without a doubt there can be a huge asian player just judging by the number of asians and their e-sports fanatism (sc anyone).

Only thing i don't like is 12 player world final. But you made your decision so there is nothing we can do about it. I'd still suggest more euros. You said allways nursing the same 8 players. Well if they are the best, that's what you do (again sc superstars in korea). In every sport the best players/teams play. So why not in Quake. Could easily be 12 Euros.

Still thanks for all the amazing tournaments.

<< Comment #220 @ 01:20 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #214

We're doing 12 players at CeBIT because Quake Live is not the only game in the Intel Extreme Masters. We need to fit Counter-Strike and World of Warcraft in the same space as well... and show as much of the action as we can.

<< Comment #370 @ 10:10 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #214

not easily 12 euros as there are 2 americans who may have a say in that.

<< Comment #387 @ 03:44 CST, 8 February 2010 >>

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vkl - Reply to #370

as i said before....more than 12 slots and it's all good =)

<< Comment #226 @ 01:33 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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stafu - Reply to #201

Then could you perhaps start looking into nurturing Australia? We have a big scene over here with players who have already proved themselves back in the CPL days, with no tournaments, no sponsors, no interest from anyone internationally.

<< Comment #227 @ 01:35 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #226

The tournament is open to Australia, actually (it was announced some time ago). Team Immunity is going for CS. Some players from Australia just couldn't come.

<< Comment #340 @ 23:23 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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stafu - Reply to #227

Air-fares from Australia to Taipei are between $1100 and $1500. :/

<< Comment #297 @ 11:45 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #201

and with all the respect to k1llsen and spart1e, they had their chances to qualify (though I consider these chances very much a matter of luck)

<< Comment #406 @ 03:04 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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dansen - Reply to #197

there are always nigerian swimmers at the olympic summer games

<< Comment #198 @ 22:28 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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SpUt

unleashed vs prozac demos up:
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season4/taip.../17226577/

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<< Comment #252 @ 03:56 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #198

ahh, sweet!

<< Comment #200 @ 22:38 CST, 5 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz

Jibo VS utality... I hope jibo will play only gauntlet for a bit of entertaining

<< Comment #235 @ 02:11 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (95.211.30.36)

rofl at the scores from jibo vs utality

utality's skill level appears to be somewhere between that of the average pubber and the cpu on "bring it on"

what did he do to get his spot?

<< Comment #244 @ 02:35 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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sixide - Reply to #235

Showed up, probably.

<< Comment #260 @ 04:59 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #235

worked with ass

<< Comment #207 @ 00:15 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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evilbollweevil

thanks SpUt..weird that despite the tons of prozac pics out there (the camera just LUUUVS him!) he's got no profile pic...or even an eyebrow closeup.

Edited by evilbollweevil at 00:16 CST, 6 February 2010

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SpUt - Reply to #207

we put one up :D

<< Comment #224 @ 01:24 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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terrorhead

So after installing Windows 7 64bit I can't play any streams. It worked fine in Win XP 32bit.

On alternative stream I get "Unable to connect. Please verify that your firewalll set to allow octoshit blah etc." I checked that and octoshit is allowed so wtf.

On ESL free stream I get "An error occured noresponse(33), nostream(33)"

So wtf do I do? Anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks.

EDIT: Never mind I'll use my laptop just ESL events :D

Edited by terrorhead at 01:56 CST, 6 February 2010

<< Comment #240 @ 02:25 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Six16 - Reply to #224

works fine for me on that setup.. what broswer r you using?

<< Comment #243 @ 02:29 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #240

I tried Firefox, IE and Opera. I turned off firewall and still doesn't work. Just tested it on Win xp 32bit and it works. hmm.

<< Comment #246 @ 03:00 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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.syL - Reply to #243

i get that firewall thingy on the free stream as well, but the flash stream on the website works fine form me. I'm still on XP, and the only thing I can think of since last time that changed is that i upgraded to ff 3.6.

<< Comment #268 @ 06:45 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #224

it works for me on win7

<< Comment #234 @ 02:11 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (60-241-13-32.static.tpgi.com.au)

I see wow :(

Its 7pm where is Jibo vs unleashed?

<< Comment #241 @ 02:26 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Rondrian

WoW is delayed as usual and so we will wait with quake live until WoW is done, eta is around 5pm local time, so in about 30 to 45min. Also in that case we will move the second semi final to tomorrow.

<< Comment #247 @ 03:07 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ToyTiger - Reply to #241

Thank god for WoW. I slept through all the previous matches, now I'll watch at least one of them live ;)

Edited by ToyTiger at 03:08 CST, 6 February 2010

<< Comment #250 @ 03:32 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Raist

2GD: "All the asians seem to have shorter strafe jumps"

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

<< Comment #302 @ 12:56 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #250

no need for racist remarks :P

<< Comment #312 @ 16:45 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Raist - Reply to #302

I didin't say that :)

<< Comment #373 @ 12:19 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #312

:)

<< Comment #251 @ 03:55 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ToyTiger

Damn why the stream doesn't work? It worked during the Euro championship. Now it writes noresponse(33),nostream(33). Wtf? =(

<< Comment #253 @ 03:57 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Raist - Reply to #251

The stream link on esr gave me that error too. But it worked when I just loaded up http://tv.esl.eu/de/

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<< Comment #258 @ 04:26 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ToyTiger - Reply to #253

Thanx a lot! That link works. Although there's CS going on there, I guess QL is over for today.

<< Comment #254 @ 04:01 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Kwibus

Nice work once again ESL.

Ofcourse this ain't like the EU championship, but i'm happy you give Asia the opportunity to compete.

<< Comment #255 @ 04:03 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Raist

So yeah I finally got a chance to watch some of this tourney.

Unleashed has some potential thats for sure but it was clear Jibo's experience alone was enough to best him. Sadly I don't see how he can get the needed practice necessary to beat someone like Jibo in the future if he keeps practicing in Japan. Not impossible but close to atleast.

<< Comment #256 @ 04:03 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Terifire

Impressive stuff from unleashed!

He just doesn't have the aim to beat the likes of Jibo:(

<< Comment #257 @ 04:06 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Dingabagi

cant wait to see prozac vs Jibo..

<< Comment #261 @ 05:16 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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pface

demos?

<< Comment #262 @ 05:22 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Roswell47

Well this was kinda anti climactic.

<< Comment #266 @ 06:25 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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buNDas

:)

Edited by buNDas at 06:39 CST, 6 February 2010

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<< Comment #300 @ 12:31 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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xgo - Reply to #266

jibos smile is priceless :))

<< Comment #313 @ 18:00 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #266

prozac, crazy fu*k :D

<< Comment #324 @ 21:37 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #266

ROFLMAOMMRPGED

<< Comment #375 @ 17:22 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #266

[+] whore :D

<< Comment #265 @ 06:25 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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phate

is the Jibo vs uNleashed VOD going to be up soon?

<< Comment #270 @ 06:53 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #265

at least the demos would be nice

<< Comment #276 @ 07:40 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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occultum

so, prozac vs fenda tomorrow?

<< Comment #275 @ 07:38 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Gladius

hm yeah, demos from the jibo-unleashed game would be nice. I'm really curious to jibo's current form. Anyone watched it on the stream?

Edited by Gladius at 07:39 CST, 6 February 2010

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zar4 - Reply to #275

Looked like the game suited him alot more than at dubai, he was hitting crazy shots with all weapons, wasn't vs the best players though, but the shots he hit wouldn't of mattered if it was vs cooller's dodging sometimes

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Rondrian - Reply to #291

will be on today, we get kicked out here nearly 6pm sharp and power gets shutdown, so we had no time to upload them, but they are not lost. :)

<< Comment #363 @ 05:18 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #291

believe me , its metter who you playing. my aim looks insane vs decents too, but vs good players I hit half that. lg from 40 to 25 and rail from 60 to 30.

<< Comment #365 @ 05:45 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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bsk - Reply to #291

Sorry to break it to you, but Jibo looked horribly out of shape against Unleashed.

<< Comment #278 @ 08:38 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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hypno!

go fenda!! :)

<< Comment #279 @ 08:52 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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mammon

so who wins, ppl who watched this morning, prozac or jibo?

<< Comment #280 @ 08:57 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #279

the final is tomorow

<< Comment #281 @ 08:58 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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mammon - Reply to #280

I know, but judging by the previous matches, who is better?

<< Comment #282 @ 09:10 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #281

we will see tomorrow

<< Comment #283 @ 09:14 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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twister - Reply to #281

tomorrow we will see

<< Comment #285 @ 09:16 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #281

tomorrow

<< Comment #308 @ 15:02 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #285

when's tommorrow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p8E0rIb4Cg

<< Comment #287 @ 09:28 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #281

see tomorrow we will

<< Comment #288 @ 09:33 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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revoN - Reply to #281

tomorrow see we will

<< Comment #290 @ 09:34 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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scowl - Reply to #281

I'd actually say that Jibo so far really...
TOMORROW FFS.

<< Comment #316 @ 19:15 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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efassd - Reply to #279

Judging by their scores vs uNleashed, it'll be a good game.

<< Comment #286 @ 09:23 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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CAREEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW8ANzFsAAM

<< Comment #289 @ 09:33 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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scowl - Reply to #286

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3HfBVpwYG8 :)

<< Comment #293 @ 10:35 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (bas5-toronto01-1177868752.dsl.bell.ca) - Reply to #289

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzAfatAMOQ4

<< Comment #304 @ 13:44 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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scowl - Reply to #293

damnit, these vocals are lame.

<< Comment #323 @ 21:35 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #289

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boq2dfNjOwQ

<< Comment #331 @ 22:07 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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scowl - Reply to #323

some sell-out douches who aren't even from Japan? seriously? fail. ;)

<< Comment #334 @ 22:38 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #331

i just thought they sounded similar :P

tenuous link i am sure!

and yeah they did sell out and are shit now but i liked them ages ago

xDD

<< Comment #337 @ 23:13 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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scowl - Reply to #334

well yeah, thefakesoundofprogress was alright. ;)

And nope, 1000 travels of jawaharlal don't sound like lostprophets (or Nu Metal in general) AT ALL, lol.
They play straight-forward hardcore with a cool 90s Ebullition vibe to it. Listen to it again. ;)

Ah, btw: since you're Scottish, you should check out these guys, they are awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wihqOhljm2k

<< Comment #310 @ 15:49 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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xou

shit shit shit

no internet connection to watch it :<<<<<<

<< Comment #345 @ 01:08 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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squishy - Reply to #310

I love how you mention that you dont have internet on a internet forum! troll!

<< Comment #347 @ 01:25 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #345

read again and think about it

<< Comment #368 @ 07:41 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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squishy - Reply to #347

OK did that, now what?

<< Comment #369 @ 09:43 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #368

think about it

<< Comment #380 @ 00:28 CST, 8 February 2010 >>

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squishy - Reply to #369

allready did that!

<< Comment #402 @ 18:17 CST, 8 February 2010 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #380

now read again.

<< Comment #405 @ 02:26 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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squishy - Reply to #402

Ok now what?!

<< Comment #407 @ 03:30 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #405

think about it. and i mean really intense thinking.

<< Comment #408 @ 04:33 CST, 9 February 2010 >>

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squishy - Reply to #407

ah i see what you mean!

<< Comment #314 @ 18:12 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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gienon

Frankly speaking, VODs from Euro championship are far more exciting :D

<< Comment #315 @ 19:12 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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efassd - Reply to #314

Now now, don't get spoiled. :)

<< Comment #317 @ 19:39 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #314

vods from the zotac cups are more entertaining.. : p

<< Comment #322 @ 20:41 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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gyr0

easy 3-0 for jibo, he's the only decent player there

<< Comment #339 @ 23:22 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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shoxz

Why not sending Jibo and Prozac directly to the final and let them fight the price money out? :D

<< Comment #341 @ 23:27 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #339

read #335

<< Comment #342 @ 23:38 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Liefje - Reply to #339

How close-minded. If anything, Quake needs MORE events in Asia to bring it to the attention of the public. How big is gaming in Asia, even just in Korea alone? 10x more than it is in Europe and America, just in different games. If Quake were to become a major game in those countries can you imagine how much practice, dedication and sponsorships the players would get? Ship some pros over to Asia IMO, hook them up with a gaming house and let them preach the word of Quake around Asia :D

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<< Comment #344 @ 00:56 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (95.211.30.36) - Reply to #342

I long for the day when we get to read about koreans dying from playing too much Quake

<< Comment #325 @ 21:59 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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scowl

ahahaha

lol at jibo using prozac's grenade to jump from GL to RA on ztn. :D

<< Comment #326 @ 22:03 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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zar4

JIBOT, if he brings this form to the world championship he is a serious contender.

<< Comment #328 @ 22:04 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #326

We'll have to see when he plays someone experienced

<< Comment #338 @ 23:22 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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Anonymous (57.148.broadband11.iol.cz) - Reply to #326

you don't know his form, there was not a single serious opponent for him here (including, sadly, prozac)

<< Comment #327 @ 22:03 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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rTx

well played by jibo i want to see that nade kill again lol it was very cool

<< Comment #329 @ 22:04 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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linkoo

man that was a boring final.

<< Comment #330 @ 22:05 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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zar4

Group A
rapha
Chance
av3k
cooller
Stermy
Jibo

Good groups ESL!!

<< Comment #332 @ 22:12 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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scowl - Reply to #330

just let the top 4 advance and it'd be alright. :/

<< Comment #335 @ 22:47 CST, 6 February 2010 >>

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gyr0 - Reply to #330

It's not ESL's fault really, and the groups aren't that bad. It's just the way the qualifiers went. Group A has 2nd and 3rd from EU and US but Group B has 1st and 4th from EU and US. Then Group A has Stermy and Group B has Fox. Jibo is really the only difference between the groups. You're probably overrating Cooller and Rapha because of their "fame" and underrating Dahang and Cypher (who based on the qualifiers are better) and that's why the groups may look bad to you.

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bsk - Reply to #335

I don't think anyone considers the Cooller/Rapha/Cypher/Dahang placements to be poor. It's the others that screw with the balance.

That being said, having watched a few games from the Asian championships, it doesn't really matter where they get placed. Their form was terrible - yes, even Jibo's.

<< Comment #356 @ 04:03 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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JDMYO - Reply to #330

Yeah, Cypher and Dahang will walk the other group. There's a good chance at least one player who could potentialy win it will be out in the group stages because of the players in group A.

<< Comment #372 @ 12:18 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #356

true,imagine prozac having to qualify through euro IEM,wouldnt win a map :P

<< Comment #371 @ 11:15 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #330

15 games per group should deliver a fair representation of performance, I don't see no problem there, the tournament is to be considered to feature only the best players atm + prozac

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Rondrian

imho: I know the Asian Championships weren't the best and highskilled QL finals during the season, but I think they were pretty important for Asia. There was a lot of press here and interested in Quake Live, also a lot of people stopped by and followed the action on the lcd screens or sat down and even followed one/two matches completely. Of course it was sad that a lot of top players from this part of the world couldn't attend for several reasons, but I'm not sure if it would have changed the top 2, maybe, but Jibo at least proved again that he is the best Asian Quake player around.

Hopefully next season we will come back and the scene will have developed and improved a lot and we can see progress! :)

Sorry for the sometimes late updates on the news, was kinda busy with admining ;-)

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<< Comment #346 @ 01:22 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #333

I enjoyed watching jibo vs prozac :)

<< Comment #351 @ 03:24 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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Kwibus - Reply to #333

Cheers!

Keep up the good work.

<< Comment #354 @ 03:46 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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technics - Reply to #333

It couldve even been nicer if many of the other skilled players had shown up. probably wouldnt have made a difference to the final result, but atleast wouldve seen more close matches. Players i've missed are:

blackbear, sup, arqnugget, janus, burial, serval, 9sky, rocketboy but i know work and visa's made it difficult for them :(

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becks - Reply to #354

python

<< Comment #358 @ 04:08 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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ashr - Reply to #333

out of curiosity. why was it held in Taipei rather than another Asian country like Singapore or Malaysia? That would have gotten you better players, methinks.

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Rondrian - Reply to #358

I'm not involved in any location findings, but as anybody can guess there are a lot of factors involved, like venue prizes, sponsorship deals and markets, time/date issues, because we have an event nearly every weekend and some times two or three a weekends in different countries it all needs adjusted to ressources etc. It's a very complex thing to figure out and out partners also have a word in it.

Tbh I think Taipeh wasn't too bad, the greater problem was that the announcement was rather short (<2 month) and that with Jibo and proZaC two players showed up who scared others away.

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CAREEM

As I said in the beginning of IEM Asia already:

"1st jibo, 2nd prozac, but it would be a suprise for me if anyone of asian participants could stand a chance against them :) "

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vkl - Reply to #350

thanks nostradamus, real hard prediction!

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<< Comment #353 @ 03:38 CST, 7 February 2010 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #352

i had also right about iem eu, 1. cypher 2.avek and 3 cooller =[

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