Do something.

lolstrenx

Best whiner in the list imo :P

he's in it to lobby for 8-8-8 lg.

All in the service of the community, of course!

That and removing ZTN from maplists :P
Way to go popular :P

and replace rail and rl on dm6 with a second and third lg?

Stop it, you're giving him ideas now !

Cooller 4 prez

You're fucking joking. Why not post this on the AGP site that actually has these members that can actually vote.

WTF "Major news: QL"?
I am not against AGP and it has really good intentions, but only when you actually do something and fullfill your promises, you will have some right to call yourself "major" and spam on ESR. But for now, keep your internal affairs to yourself, please.

Indeed. Need a filter for this crap.

I think AGP news being major works out for the best.

can agp get its own category so we can filter it?

already asked for it like 6 times

like you could live without all the trolling and spam and fun ;)

definitely, although what if u copy all the fun hate comments to a new thread, so we can collect them all :P

lol at AGP, how was the move? : D

Forget Christmas, here comes the AGP!

Get rid of brit , french and sideways french and you have your 5

seconded :D

Here we go again :D

AGP is almost as fail as QL updates after qcon, though in fact QL updates suck even more. Btw ID announced in qcon that "soon after qcon we will launch big updates to QL and bring it out of beta? and as far as i know they havent done a shit after qcon though its already 3-4 months." AGP did quite similar thing a long time ago, they hyped that they will be like new CPL or something, but what they are? it seems that quite nothing :|

Well, it just must be easy to trick quake fanboys...

they haven't done a shit since Quakecon?

that's the worst case of constipation i've ever heard

he's finnish, nvm him

is this for real? agp is like communism, a good theoretical idea performed and exploited really really bad.

half of the people on that list is as mature as my left nad, leaving decisions up to them will be as clever as taking a poop in your hand right before having someone tickle your nose with a feather

lol you're a poet!

how did I miss the news item where HELL changed his name from vizari to visari?

yeah, What the vizari is hell thinking ?

Who knows, might be Weessarry by now !

OOOoooOOooooOOOoooOOO000oooo !!!

major this post

That is the process on all AGP rules, issues, and laws.

AGP has the power to legislate now?

who else?
Parlaments?

Don't make me laugh!

i would like to know what gillz has to say

fox for president!

lol, i misread topic at first time seeing 'player erection'

same lol

how come no one is lol'ing at vizari representing the duel scene, isn't this supposed to be a professional organisation? :o)) - on a side note, AGP LOL...

I hereby volunteer for becomming a AGP representative!
Who'd vote for me?!

you got my sword!

er... vote!

and my axe!

I'd vote LoCK!!!!

best campaign so far.

Unless there will be one with blackjack and hookers my vote is yours!

[11:25:29] <LoCK-wrk> I'm working my ass of

We can see that.

i also vote for LoCK!

you definitely get my vote AND babies!~

ITS viZari FFS

to hell with you!

silenozce!

step beck please...

who are you talking to, you craist man?

beck the fuck off, he raist a fair point

don't be comickel :(

i almost didnt noctis that one

you'd think the player's association would atleast get the names of their members right

:D

cooller4dictatorship

Wouldn't that be Cypher... living in Belarus makes him a better candidate.

where is he on the list, hm? hmmm?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/Stebth...cePalm.jpg

everyone sign up to agp site, vote dird, put sunglasses on.


or just lmao@agp

lol, can you vote "Other"? xD

i haven't read the AGP legislation acts 47 through 93 which deal with the voting system so i couldn't tell you

Whether you guys like it or not, this is news and it is related very specifically to the Quake live scene. Your hate is funny and is expected but these are big strides for a player association and for the sport.

Now for all of you that keep emphasizing what my company needs to do first, my company has nothing to do with the players association. You guys are really fucking stupid sounding at this point. Don't read if there is a problem. 10 hate messages aimed at me or my company doesn't count for the amount of views these posts get. Try to represent yourself before you try to represent anything else in your lives.

If you don't support the players uniting and trying to help the sport, stfu and stop trying to best something aimed at unity and progress. You sound like a bunch of tards. A true reflection of your own state of consciousness.

We have more announcements in the coming weeks so deal with it in addiiton to our very well recieved Classic Match of the Week. It is not like there is anything else going on. I rushed these as to not interfere with Dreamhack and the tournaments they are having.

And we have over 400 members. That's not too bad for a couple months. Can you be ok with that? Enter same retarded kid answer NOW!

Why do you keep acting like you're completely oblivious to the people on this site? You keep getting raged over the negative comments you get, even though 99.9% of the comments on this site are negative towards anything that you could ever have an opinion on. If you don't like what you get, TAKE YOUR NEWS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

400 members... ESR usually has about that many people on at all times. Sadly, we get about as much done trolling as the AGP has gotten done in gaming.

Come now. I do like it here. It's good numbers but its good fun too. A bit exhausting on repetitiveness, but hey, I have to comment to get more commenting lol.

for example and if eswc returning is for real, make them include quakelive in tournaments. such projects are definitely good to start with as gamers asociation.

and rightly so. That is something a united players association can do.

"You sound like a bunch of tards. A true reflection of your own state of consciousness."

"Can you be ok with that? Enter same retarded kid answer NOW!"

I have reand some of the comments against AGP and some of yours and all i can say is. You're embarrissing. You act like you're above everyone else. You're the only "face" i have seen so far from AGP and i can say that you're pulling AGP down with you. You're a complete douche and seems to be way below average IQ.

If you stand for AGP, then i wont stand for them. I just cant support something driven by idiots. I have the mentality that if you're gonna do something, then do it right.

So if AGP is going to gain more support, you will probably have to stop acting this childish and resign as a public figure for them.

//TheWalker - someone who actually listened to the ppl in the community while working for them

I listen to the players. And they know it. Especially since they have been making most of the AGP decisions. It's not a community association, its a players association.

A bird whispered into my ear that you're actually pretty smart. And i trust him on that. But you need to stop behaving this bad. It dosnt matter if people are behaving bad against you and AGP, you cant behave the same way back.

And yes, AGP is for the players. But you will need the communitys support, not their bad will. Just take the citicism and deal with it. Trying to tell people they cant have opinions and should be grateful isnt the right way to go.

I wish you luck in the future because AGP have some potential. I guess you will get more experience as you go along and you will grow into the roll.

With best regards

//Patrick

Your hate is funny and is expected ...
... You sound like a bunch of tards. A true reflection of your own state of consciousness. ...
... Enter same retarded kid answer NOW!

are you saying you find retarded people funny?

I know I do. Mongs always look happy though. I'll give em' that.

Good for you.
Being able to have a laugh every time you look in a mirror must be great.

omg it was a tarp!

somebody set jamerio up the bomb!

Regardless of how right or how wrong you may be, you should always know that those who do nothing always whine on those who do something.

the players arent even behind your organisation. Say perhaps, DH or some other tournament said that they didnt care about the AGP rankings and then you fell off your high horse & told the AGP members not to play in it, do you think they'd listen to you? No.

prove your worth: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1790562#pid1790562

BTW guys, this post isn't about me. It's about the European player election. Maybe focus on topic.

the European player election...of the AGP. The AGP who many of us see as useless and news about such has now become spam. If the worth of AGP isn't on topic in an AGP.eu thread then it just shows how pointless the whole thing is

If you didnt pay attention, the nominees volunteered and are top players. They are doing something. Yes Cooller is one of them. Yes Stermy is one of them. And the rest. It is hardly pointless. If you have ever played seriously, you'd know that almost all top players I have ever known have wanted this. The reasons are obvious. There is alot that goes on that isn't public with tourneys in the past and happenings even today. It's not always about you, the fan or whatever you guys are.

24 Tourneys in 09

i dont even get what the news is about tbh

Now for all of you that keep emphasizing what my company needs to do first, my company has nothing to do with the players association. You guys are really fucking stupid sounding at this point.

Did you ever stop to think why people have this confusion?

On the one hand there is the AGP which was setup by you (I'm sure others were involved..) and has its home on the AGP Tour website thing.

Then on the other hand we have the AGP Tour tournament thing which was originally announced with about 50 games (and again you are involved in that project) but never happened but has been continually discussed as having movement and being worked on.

If you wanted them to be totally seperate entities then why aren't they?

AGP - Association of Gaming Professionals, the player association and all related.

AGP Tour = technically it's all competitions concerning the AGP. Obviously this is continual.

VIDA LLC = my company that has attempted to organize tournaments and hasn't yet.

We started with 4 FPS 1v1 games and it would have been awesome but it was impractical as the recession hit and the other games all died. When was the last time you played UT3, Warsow, Q4, or Q3 (granted QLive). Everyone had started moving to QL then and we made a decision. Was over 1.5 years ago. Not a big deal really.

I've talked to the players directly affected by having no tournaments that were planned over the course of this endeavor. Most are in the loop of how things are right now on my companies end. I don't need to go public with things that are my business. People can always ask me directly on IRC. I've announced our intentions and thus far for tournaments, they have not worked out. Everyone suffered from the same thing though if you pay attention: the ONLY tournaments that existed this year have been QuakeCon, as it should, ESL Dubai, Gamescom ESL, and now Dreamhack, with ESL Canada Finals around the corner. This is fine and all, but if you look at the prizes, its VERY low. One was $1k first, 2 are $3k. QuakeCon is the bomb at $14k 1st.

Sum it up and assume Rapha went to Dreamhack and won all of these: 1st place is $21,000 TOTAL money this year. BEFORE taxes and any additional things he has to pay to his team, etc (if there is anything). This is around poverty in the United States. And it is only for if one player won everything.

For the time it takes to be top and continue a sport, this will not do. It's a side show. You wonder why older players don't play anymore and it is because it is nearly a waste of their time once they have to work full time and have a life. My company has always been able to do tournaments this small but we chose otherwise. Apologies for wanting to do bigger $ tournaments completely focused on Quake Live only. But we still are doing what we can and I will still be honest to the players about how things are and what is being done. My company is not a huge international organization that is needed to be funded with alot, taking from the players and competitions. Our plan is good, just hasn't worked out yet.

Trust me, it isn't awesome for me to spend my time making no $ and listening/ replying to this gripe bs if it is to do nothing but waste my time and yours. My company does all of this for everyone and for the possibility of Quake Live being a serious and growing sport that benefits all. Alot of you are here for Quake. Somewhere in there you loved one of the games like I have. Well, I'm just spending all my time trying to do something about it.

Way to write a load of waffle addressing nothing I raised.

I've never seen VIDA LLC mentioned anywhere, whenever you have posted anything regarding tournaments it's been called the AGP Tour.

My point was, can you not see why people get it confused when you yourself haven't made it crystal clear. Apparently the answer I was looking for was "no".

You're basically bullet ball guy.

haha good stuff

tbh, imo the difference is that what streetrunner wants would actually be cool..

but it's still kind of far off...

iceyian is bullet ball guy

awaiting the secret hand bind shake

fox and Cooller (and maybe stermy) are the only players from the list who deserve to be elected

Wiseguys idd

Not enough no-names to avoid voting for some others.
I wish Stermy doesn't get voted because he's probably a front for Fatality. And I don't want fatality to take over another competition.

Cooller for president!

ESR has it's own poll: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1790577

is it sanctioned?

hmm...we should do another poll to vote on whether or not to sanction it

Shouldn't we be doing a poll on wether or not we should be doing a poll to vote on whether or not to sanction it, first?

Make a poll about it.

wtf is an AGP player representative ?!

The power behind a union relies on it's ability to control the work force. In this case, that force is the players. If you sanction a tournament, and every single AGP rule is not met, you have to force players not to show up, or the players association has no value. Do you think you can stop competitors from showing up to tournaments due to discrepancies between AGP rules and the tournaments rules? I do not think so, but that has not yet been determined. With so few tournaments a year I could hardly see this having any effect on a players decision to attend a tournament.

Moreover variance in rules and map pools is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact I believe it's a good thing. You can argue that the association could have a range of acceptable rulesets. This again, removes the value of the association. If there was one constant league in which this association pertained to, this would all make sense. We could vote more specifically to improve the format of that one leagues system. But, don't for a second believe you are doing us any good by trying to force things upon different tournament organizers. Tournament organizers are the ones doing us a favor and if they can't meet our every need, who are we to say fuck you?

The only value I see this having is in seeding, in which a tally of all tournaments, not just AGP sanctioned events are accounted for. It would be easy for tournament organizers to use this system to seed their attendees. This doesn't require any support from the players, just one guy with little to do in life except to keep a running points system based on tournaments he has nothing to do with.

No tournament is being forced to do anything. Players are not forced not to show up if rules are not followed. Things just started so the haste in some of these community peeps is pretty amazing. And you always personally tell me like this is my thing. As it doesn't profit me, there might be more players involved in the AGP's development than you might think.
You are missing alot of what a players association does and can do. Expand a little bit.

A players association can help get players more money in tournaments and in sponsoring.
A players association can use its numbers and unity to help all organizers get more funding.
A players association can use its numbers to get more money for sponsoring players and tournaments itself.
A players association can prevent or protect a player from being contractually abused or not paid from tournaments or sponsors.
A players association can help new tournaments grow through recognition and promotion.
A players association can help Quake Live by spreading it worldwide through its sanctioning of competitions and promotion of the game, and unity of the competitive players. The AGP is part of not one competition, but all.
A players association helps the grow the reach of the game and sport , through each player, especially the pros, as they are advocates of a growing sport.
A players association can use its organized player force to get more tournaments within other events. For example, the upcoming ESWC that does not have Quake Live. One organizer going to ESWC and saying they want to do a QL tourney there is nothing to if all the players united going to them professionally and diplomatically and presenting a case.
A players association can show unity in a splintered and very hateful community, which does not convince sponsors to sponsor Quake these days.
A players association can help new players play against similar skill levels and find competitons that suit their level.
A players association can help grow other game modes like CTF and TDM or even CA worldwide through it's rankings, unity, and promotion. This also pertains for sponsoring tournaments and getting mroe teams together. Rankings can really help, as you can see with some of the free tournaments going on now like BiBS.
A players association can help new tourney organizers to run tournaments for non pro players based on Rank. It can also help on their promotion as well as strategy on growth.

I could go on forever on this. But there is a taste of limited mind. These are some reasons we do have members joining daily as well as more support than ESR would like to think, and believe. Maybe you should get involved Vamp. I'm sure you could help the whole. I mean, you used to play right?

What exactly from this list are you actually doing atm?

All. But it's a process and the AGP just started. It's been setup for a while now and now its just one step at a time. Like, we just started player legislation and will go as fast as possible to get everything else going as it comes. For example, CTF Rankings and Sanctioning and legislation is about to begin as well. Following will be the rest. Voting and discussions take time. Luckily we have IRC but still everything is a step process.

All?
So, for example, what tourney are you trying to get more money into?

:>

so how many new players has the AGP brought to QL?

"A players association can help new players play against similar skill levels and find competitons that suit their level."

LOL

The AGP just started. Seriously. Read and use some kind of thinking before speaking. Thing is, your support isn't needed Dird. You aren't a player. I don't even know what you are besides addicted to your mind.

In fact, I'd beg to say that since you are a clanbase admin, and that the AGP is in discussion with Clanbase, that you should know your place before representing them in such a manner as this publicly. If you have some sort of point to make to feel better, feel free to hit me up on IRC. You are the broken record here. But I can deal with it.

I'm not a player yet I:
- Compete in QL CTF
- Signed up for the ESR 1v1 league
- Play UT2004 CTF almost every night

LOL @ knowing my place.
1. I have no [cb] tag nor cb logo next to my name...I'm giving no statement from cb just like I'm giving no statement from ESR
2. I'm not involved in CB QL...the admin (slajer) doesn't even like me and I have no interest to get involved with it so that's unlikely to change.
3. As you said, apparently AGP has just started so I guess places will be known in about 12 months time.

You play CTF every night? You did write that didn't you. Cool. I was referring to a player in the association anyways. I'm surprised you didn't give your Quake Live account here to further prove your worth.

And a CB admin doesn't like you...

Now that that's out of the way.

Stop trying to claim the title player for people as part of the AGP then you moron.

I don't like the way you behave and represent CB as shown by streetrunners reply.

Try to hold back just a little..

As stated I don't use a tag or any such or pretend like my views represent the views of CB as a whole. I told the interviewers of how I comment and they probably already knew from UN (UT ESR with less flame). Despite this they chose me to help with a cup because I don't run around as [CB]Dird and produce cups like this: http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=9690
with reports for most matches, UTV for the big matches, interviews and a TDM show match with playoff players

And it's reasons like this which made me question your server spawn justification.

As ex- QL Game Supervisor at ClanBase i knew about the AGP talks.. i thought those were considered a secret (?)..

Like everyone here i also wondered what AGP was.
You did explain it very well a few posts up and combined with the recent AGP sanctioned news items i see quite a few people are asking in their own way (by flaming) how can AGP announce some sort of official professional player ranking and decide which competitions are important (by amount of points) without having to build up a reputation of its own first?


If you haven't noticed most quake players find G7 ranking amusing and they have been around doing.. well probably something important that i don't know about for quite a few years :)

You make a good point, which I neglected, If you have a large enough base then you can provide something for tournament organizers. I'll be interested to see if you guys will be able to push ESWC to include quakelive via numbers. A lot of conclusions will be drawn in the near future.

Leverage would be extreme if you could get some sponsors on board to provide prizes/money for tournament organizers of AGP sanctioned events.

when can we expect the VAMP-ELO-RANKINGS? :D ok start NOW!!!

actually, you could automate so many of these rankings ^^ nothing a little nifty coding cant fix

Streetrunner can you stop and actually read your posts, every time anyone asks a valid question or makes a statement that is logical and probably correct, you simply spout off the same lines of bullshit that contain ZERO useful information.

Maybe stop saying what you guys could do and start explaining to people how exactly you can do them not just oh players association can do this our numbers can achieve this. You're like the epitome of an underpants gnome right now.

1. Make AGP
2. Create unity of players
3. ?????????
4. Make people give our players lots of money!

As vamp1re said, the only real power you could even think of having right now is via boycotts which is just not going to happen and even if it did, it would be doing more harm than good. I think everyone here can understand what it is you're trying to create but I for one am completely at a loss as to how you think you're going to achieve that goal.

Or you could focus on the fact that the AGP is holding a player election right now in this post and not try and make it about me. Big players are part of this election. I don't see any bs response about the players that are nominated and volunteered to play a role in all of this. You out of words? Concentrate on the post and not your personal hate towards someone perhaps. You can use irc or im for that (learn that with age).

You'll get methods when we get to them if there is a benefit from showing them besides ESR ego troll justification. I've talked to the players and I've talked to some competitions about the plan and plans personally. I even talk to community about it, for those that ask me directly.

And the AGP isn't about power. As things are only starting, as players are only now being elected, that is the step this is at. Just because I point out the obvious benefits of a players association, they don't benefit you so, until you are part of this, . IN the meantime, just keep up the view counts on esr for me and keep identifying with a side. And I will keep responding because you guys are toooo fun. it helps in more ways than you know.

Why do you think I have personal hate towards you? Is that normally what you expect people to have when they say things you don't agree with or like? Not a very healthy mindset.

And the AGP isn't about power. - Clearly.

He does think this.

No he doesn't. Why do you hate him?!

Europe Duel Player Election : cooller

did i miss something`?

just as ridiculous as the russian soccer team playing at the european championships.

you're not european, deal with it.

Russia is considered a European nation. But it lies on both continents.

Both historically (from a political context) and geographically Russia is part of Europe since it's capital and most populous cities are located West of the Urals.

ye, you're kind of right
total 17.075.400 km²,
in europe: 3.952.550 km², in asia: 13.122.850 km²

but this still doesn't look european

Think of it like that: 40% of Europe is Russia.

dont know why you would actually want half of these guys representing you

Magnus "fox" Olsson
Alessandro "stermy" Avallone
Jeffrey "draven" Debipersad
Marcel "k1llsen" Paul
Anton "Cooller" Singov

these i get, the others ....

Then don't vote for the others!

why vote at all?

This is a good step in the right direction. The players who understand the game the most (the "pros") should be the ones to make decisions that affect tournament play as they are the most educated on the matter.

The only issue I see is that biases and alliances among representatives is almost a guarantee. That being said, its much better then what we have now. Players wait for tournaments, not knowning which maps or rules to practice with and often train a 5 map pool for one tournament while training another 2 or 3 maps for another at the same time. If the AGP's goal is to create a foundation on which we can get a standardized rule set for quake that is dictated through the top players opinion, I'm all for it.

The voices of the scrubs is not important. Obviously the people with 10,000 posts on this website will be against this, just as they have been against every new idea introduced into esports in the last 5+ years (cant blame them too much, there have been so many epic fails recently). The fact is that they sit and watch the good players and the game, but it IS the top players who understand it on a much higher level. Leave the decisions to the pros, not to uneducated tournament organizers who are dealing with quake for their first time in years or the guys who sit around all day and talk about it.

My 2 cents.

I dont think anyone is in disagreement that allowing pro's to decide on a ruleset is a good idea. But how do you make an event follow these rules? You need to have leverage on a whole other level to influence events and organizations where time and money is at stake. This requires a degree of power that the agp is not interested in as streetrunner said.

Which I find most confusing because the entire idea of a players association is to give power to the players. Both in the ability to defend their rights and the ability to create changes that benefit them.

I've thought about how this sort of thing could be done but the problem is that any realistic outcome to a player associations actions is going to have a negative impact on the scene as it is right now.

A players association by nature is a trouble-causing organisation simply because it has to be to benefit the players. This is fine when the industry to which it belongs is very large and self-sustainable but the 'quake e-sports industry' right now pretty much survives on handouts.

Someone else said it but its true so I will repeat it, event organisers are doing us all a favour by running quake tournaments and the last thing we want to do is make it any harder for them. The only way the AGP could get what it says it intends to get without killing the quake e-sports dream entirely is to somehow get its hands on a lot of money to throw at tournament organizers as bribes.

When I say it's not about power, I am not referring to giving the player power over taking over the universe of Quake. Tournaments usually go by what the players want anyways as the players bring the attention to a tournament. The power of a players association can extend alot further than single tournaments by uniting them all as well as pushing everything as a whole at once. There is no indication or intent to mess anything up right now and quite the opposite. It's really alot simpler than it seems, as well as alot less epic regarding tournaments. It is the other things that can really be driven by such a force. I'll release details of that intent if you guys want it. But in reality, I'd prefer not to. These kinds of things are best left to action instead of possibility and explanation, as I have learned, believe it or not.

I think explanations would help you immensely on this site if they are well thought out, reasoned and actually feasible.

There is a HUGE difference between explaining how you are going about something and what you are currently doing/have done which is just state what you're going to do without telling anyone publicly how.

Anyway this all has two possible out comes regardless of what you tell anyone now. Either you make something happen and everyone will come around and forget everything that happened leading up until that point or you won't and your dream for a players association will die. What you tell people now will just affect how many members you will have when that time comes. If making something happen relies on having a large member base then you might want to try harder at winning this community over, or at least rethink your strategy.

He likes to think all esr users don't play and/or are rubbish.

No I don't, I love you guys. I just mess with some of you for giggles.

awww

lol @ this

Would be good if the candidates wrote a few sentences about for what reason they want to become representatives.

I want a televised debate and a manifesto from each candidate.

Here are their statements, but noone knows who said what. Can you help?

"I want to abolish semi-finals and finals. Instead all tourneys should be one big group, no high-pressure games."
"I want a stronger lg."
"Duel should involve flags and trickjumps."
"Legalize it!"
"You are represent is not my trouble."
"..."
"Quakelive needs competition models that accurately show the players' hairstyle."
"I will you all good represent."

fox
strenx
link1n .. is not in the list?
huh?
cooller
huh?
stermy
k1llsen

somehow I thought link1n was in it. good catch, though :).
Never heard anything from smoke...

/e

and I can only think of really lame "HELL" - jokes for vizari :/
Help?

This is fucking incredible. It's like inward singing.

Are these player volunteering and wanting to do this?
Or are the elected players going to idle around after this?

and what are they supposed to do?

why aren't answering to my question in #146?

If youa re meaning me, it is because I haven't been on here. Details of everything from function to goals to everything will be released very soon. The players volunteered and know what is expected. North American Election begins on Monday. And other regions thereafter.

do you see the post i'm referring to? its directly over this one.

you honestly don't have to wonder that people start flaming.

i've read your post and i can nowhere see if this is actually a thing the electable players want. and i also don't see what they are going to do...

I've talked to each player individually and they chose to run. The link to what the reps do was on the post. SO now is where i say, pm me if you want faster answers, and read. http://www.agptour.com/agp-representation/. ;)