dm6 is monotonous

they actually just should play around with map balance, every patch a change forward or back again, the community is active, so they will get a huge feedback within one week..
not only on dm6 anyway.

but i dont see any possible change on dm6 to make it good again, everything i can think of will give the play in control a big advantage again. the map is kinda too small and too open..

Huge feedback and more whine than any human being could deal with.

noobs and cooller love it

noobs: cooller, cypher, av3k etc?

cooller: cooller
noobs: anybody else




revert it back to q3dm6 layout!

And toxic.

and cypher

and av3k. fucking noobs

I think the map is dead really. I like TDM / CA on it, but 1v1 feels like urinary pain.

CA is only good for training your aim. ;)

Yep, I probably play too much CA in my "old age". If I only played 1v1 or TDM I would be much better.

CA is fun though :D

Dm6 is far from a complex map and its really open which makes both movement, aiming and not to mention positioning so much easier, that might be the reason why "noobs" and possibly aimwhores prefers it.

The weaponrespawn delay is too low, this removes the entire aspect of controlling weapons,you basicly spawn with a weapon in hand(machinegun, gauntlet excluded), this makes it easier to just rush if u know ur opponent is semi-weak after the previous battle (if ur aim's allowing that) instead of actually having to "duel" it.
this could either result in a serious lock-down or a constant random rushing match.

Changes;
-make weaponrespawn delay 15 or so to add more dueling-aspects in form of not only armorcontrol but weeaponcontrol aswell

-add some extra rooms,doorways or pillars... maybe even some teleporter (from pillars/rail to mega preferably)

-add some kind of simple hole/edge in the floor @ rail so you will be more vulnerable trying to access it.

just my 2 cents

............

BUT..... I'd rather prefer to see new maps, old maps are old and tend to get really boring after playing 10+ years

The spawns are 10x better than they were before (Remember YA SG spawn? LOL) but the map is still shit.

I honestly think it's time is over. When you lose control on that map, it feels 100 times worse than ANY other map that I've seen in map pools. If you give me any other map, I'd feel so much better about not having the lead, because I have chances to regain control. DM6? Fuck no. Q3 DM6 scores proved it too, I believe the last ESWC there was an av3k vs Jibo match, it ended in roughly 13-(-1).

I think it would be too big of a deal to change it, there's no way the entire community would agree on the little changes. Why don't we just leave it the way it is and replace it with something else? Even having T4 replace it would be better (in my opinion).

You're right though, DM6 is a great map to learn how to duel, due to its simplicity. But that's it. It should just stay at a beginners map, I don't think this map should be in the mappool.

I think that ID might be planning something with new maps though. This isn't me hinting about something I heard, it's really just a guess, but it has been a while since we got new maps, and when we did, we only got one duel map (and it wasn't even new). I honestly think ID might release two or three NEW duel maps to make up for the lack of new maps in duel. T9 we play because we got desperate for new maps, and just took the least shittiest map we could find in QL. T7 is good though. I don't like it personally, but I know it's a good map.

So let's just hope for new fresh duel maps. Hopefully ID doesn't make them look like shit (That cliche dungeon look) and make some look futuristic (Q4 maps; Placebo Effect, Monsoon, etc).

I love Quake, but it can get extremely boring regarding maps. New maps make it feel fresh. I like fresh (Sorry if I went off-topic).

cliche dungeon look > boring futuristic look

Really? You like your in-game atmospheres to look like shit? Wouldn't you feel happier if the map had a happier environment?

only difference for me is that i would have grey wall instead of a brown wall :p

with smiley faces?

Fuck that.

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2005/11/blue-sk...nched.html

gothic, egyptian, middle age, exotic themes >>>>>>>>>> boring generic space station bleh

Can't convince everyone. =(

Egypt theme is £££

ospdm11 $$

cpmwhatsthenumber is an awesome 2on2 map!

the one with the MH under water.

cpm25, cornerfucking spam shit.. but still better than most

no.

easily visible enemies + great map layout + picmip 5-6 = win.

futuristic/happy environment mostly means lots of colors distracting from the important stuff: gameplay.

dungeon/sad environment mostly means lots of colors distracting from the important stuff: gameplay.

no it does not, see quake1 in contrast to some of the quake3 maps. in other words we need even more dungeons not less.

With customizable brightskins with RRGGBB, specific map colours don't matter.

unless the maps colors are as bright and varied as the enemycolors?

Which was never the case in futuristic or bright maps in Q3 or Q4.

yeah but those look boring and crap on top of it :P

T4 was a bit of a cunt with its textures

so we need greyndullskins!!!

as long as it doesn't look like a fucking circus tent from the inside (japanese castle) i don't care.

I always thought dm6 could've benefited from playing around with the armors (2 yellows? one red or one yellow?) and the rail positioning (maybe open up that wall next to rail, so you can see the entirety of the rail walkway from bridge).
Higher weapon respawn time would be good, too.

Holy shit, 2 yellows is a good idea (instead of one red and one yellow).

q3dm6tmp had 2xya and 50hp where mh is I think.

q3dm6tmp was awesome, why did they ever stop playing it? The strat was nowhere near full development yet.

That's what I was saying month ago, give the option for different item setups for some or even each and every map.

Atm a second dm6 setup would suffice.

newb :(/

2 ya is not enough armor imo, how about a third one on the lg stairs, possibly make the platform bigger to allow for increase in action

The problem with that is when you start discussing altering the map physically (like bigger platforms, etc), it won't happen since DM6 is a 'Classic', and ID won't change a classic map physically. In terms of item placements, sure (take TDM for example), but physically, no. Even at that point, if we're altering DM6 physically, we might as well just make a new map.

3 YA's could work, but, 100x better and 100x easier if we ditch the map and get a better one.

They physically altered t2, dm14 and even dm13 slightly.

it's a computer game. nothing in it is physical ;)))

How about switching YA and mega?

That would make it boring imo with 1 player camping ra and other mega since they are so far apart.

Nah, with that argument, they would have been camping both YA's in the tmp version, and RA x 2 is slightly better than MH + YA x 2 (If you get two YA).

i think your idea is pretty sound.

(maybe) mh at pillars - one ya at quad pit - one ya where ra is right now?
this way whoever tries to get mh will be exposed in several ways and both ya's have a somewhat similar placement. whoever tries to comeback could exploit the pillar area which is far more suitable for this imo than the two other item areas.

we should also take weapon stay in consideration... i know this is unheard of in q3/ql but is the next logical step if a map proves too hard to make comebacks on (eg. dm4 in qw in my mind).

ya @ sg like it was done in the cq3 layouts i think

to tweak and make this map playable is easy as shit it`s 1 day work , but WE DONT HAVE ACCESS TO DO THIS!!!
so this treath = 0.

timelimit 15
old spawnsystem (or a totally new one)
weaponrespawn 15
old ammosystem


would improve the map a lot already :)

lol why everyone wants 15 weapon respawn? :D with it its more easy to control! atm biggest problem of dm6 is recontrol map without 5 lucky rail shots...

You are right, didn't think this through enough.

too many retards

it has been played non stop for almost a decade in an array of game modes, of course it isn't going to seem complex.

changing it isn't going to fix it. drop it, add a new map.

see, a map doesn't need to be as good as ztn/dm6/dm13/ (back then) if you're willing to embrace new maps. because before they become stale they're out of the rotation anyway.

Yes I think we need the Starcraft approach to maps, just make a bunch of new maps each season, if they work keep em around for a while, if they get unbalanced remix them if they get old throw them out. Unfortunately this is impossible without level editor available as mapmaking can not realistically be done by id alone.

Just two cents:

If I had to chose what map I would like to watch with best possible players - ztn/dm13/t4/t7 or dm6, I would pick dm6 anyday. It's not boring at all, at least for me.

On a high level it's hard to re-take control, but it's not impossible. Not every score is 15:0 or 15:3. It's generally much closer.

I prefer dm6 over most maps, but that's just me.

Agreed that spawnsystem is fucked, and spawnpoints aren't good either.

just today from dm6 news feed:
strenx - cooller - 30:x - zotac finals
killsen - noctis quitted halfway through - gameon finals
zsx - hell quitted halfway through - gameon finals

We already had poll on what are the best duel maps. DM6 had a high score. I love to watch and play the map and so do many others. People who complain that it's hard to gain back control when you lose it should stop behaving like bitches and man up. Learn to fight for your survival instead of giving up and calling it a shit map.
This map is a great test to see which people are real die hard quakers, and which ones should go and play with their barbies because they cant stand the pressure of facing an opponent with 400 hp/armour, and having to struggle to get rails or rockets and lay down some real badass power. If you wanna cry go to momma. This map is the only one for real men.

I lol'd

u can learn hub in a day...

u won´t be good on dm6 in a year

u hub whore

(just messin around...i know u don´t care about me)

"People who complain that it's hard to gain back control when you lose it should stop behaving like bitches and man up."

aren't you the guy who went spectator everytime you lost contol?

so he thinks it's manly to run like a coward.

I think you mean noctis

this coming from a pole who quits if he gets a bad start?

i really can't stop laughing

No he's the example of the "noobs" I was referring to :) hence he's played for what 4months? and claims to know all about dm6... and has what 3000games played? 2000quits?(rough numbers)

DM6 is as good as it's going to get, leave it be and introduce new maps if anything

2002 wants your thread back.

dm6 is still good, always was. I don't find it boring to watch. I don't want every map to have the same playstyle. It's not like you only get to play dm6. I'm surprised you are complaining about dm6 when they are still using tourney9, that map has no depth, 3 teleporters does not suddenly create good gameplay.

did you play t9 ?
Cause it's a funny map to play, and very tactical when both player now it perfectly

Funny is the exact term.

It's a public mess around map for fun.

perhaps I haven't played it enough. but I haven't enjoyed the games I watched on it either. you always know where the enemy is so that limits tactics a lot.

dm6 is just a map for the old guys to feel comfortable on because they suck on the new maps and their skill on dm6 is sooo much higher than on any other map. You can tell this with average players too. They'll like shine on dm6 and then as soon as the map is changed they are 50% less good. fucking dm6 whores.

Time Fraggers are pretty low.

PLaying several hours a day is a skill on it's own :(

Its funny it happened last night too...

I win house of decay and I let him make up loads of frags as I always try to mess with people like that, and if you check some of my stats recently you'll see its back fired where i lost by 1 frag in both games from being over confident. Cept when my first duel in moths was vs lukrek on dm6!




Then he call votes Dm6 and I lose, granted I'm playing like a complete fish atm as I'm only playing real casual (2 hours a week), but its so typical in this game you can get beat by inferior opponents who rely on playing stuff they have played to death.

I don't mind losing to better players, but I hate losing to time fraggers who only win because they've dumped so many hours on map in the old maps. That's what bothers me and makes me feel cheated.

This is supposed to be a new game, yet most of the duel servers are old maps.

didn't you start playing quake3 many years ago?

Yeah, its been on and off though.

I'm not any better today than I was 4 years ago, the reason, I just never made that extra investment and the game just never evolved that much.

if I dumped 3 hours a day in for 6 months and focused on playing good people on IRC I would improve for sure, but for what?

To beat a slightly higher pool of players (in an already small pool) than I'm losing to now and still get owned by pro's with much more expereince?

Quake 4
Quakelive

Both games failed to offer a single, original gameplay idea which reflects my lack of interest.

also I just pulled a bubble and actually looked at your profile.

You played 115 duels.
Your opponent played 124 duels.

The difference is...

I joined in feb 2009 and have totalled 23 hours. (that's around 2.3 hr per MONTH!!!-most decent player do more than that in a day!)
I'm only playing now as my nephew installed it last week.

He's joined 5/6 months later and still has over twice my playtime, which shows the rate at which he's playing.

I also have about 3 hours of playtime in the last 5 months which is a huge deal.

The guy isn't even in my league, I can tell when I was playing, I just rushed him all time on dm6 and teased him on house of death by letting him catchup into OT, when i asked for a rematch on dm6 with the intention of playing properly he refused.

Next time I play I'll play proper and post the screenie, he won't stay within 10 frags of me on any map if play properly.

I never use fake accounts apart from fooKi :)

can you please give me the definition of "Time Fragger" again.

Cause it seems more and more like the desciption fits you better, than your opponent. Well, except for the winning part, of course.

A time fragger is someone who wins based on extensive playtime of old content from previous games.

This guy is irrelevant becuae I could play him right now and win by at least 10+ frags. The win means nothign if you saw how i played. I'm litereally just rushing and trying to get back into sync and I never alias. Don't take my word, I'll post a new screenie within a week.

look at this shit....



Every duel map in view was designed from the last century.

Its pathetic and I'm sure someone at id is still scratching their heads wondering why its not taken off as expected.

They did it to themselves by including the old content which undid everything they did to make it more accessible.

I could have told them that at the design stage. In fact, I think many people here already told them at the start of 2008 before the game was even released.

" time fragger is someone who wins based on extensive playtime of old content from previous games.

This guy is irrelevant becuae I could play him right now and win by at least 10+ frags. "

Congratulations, you are a time fragger.


And may I add:

Time Fraggers are pretty low.

The difference is I beat him on a new map I have about 30 minutes playtime on, I don't even know the teleport systems, to which he did (which implies expereince) becaue he used them effectively and cut me off several times by going into them twice.
You don't just do stuff like that from the start.

He's the one who lost on new content, voted for old and won.

He's also has DBL my playtime and signed up 6 months later (look up ratio), and seeing as you have NO IDEA how long he or I played q3 for, you've just shown how biased you are. Even with all that, I'm the time fragger, despite asking Lukrek for the respawn time for MH on dm6 when I came back the other day.

Its almost how funny how biased you are. But I'm happy to point out the huge lapses in your reasoning.

Raging about someone beating you and still telling youself you're the better player is a fairly common thing, I guess, but trying to convince other people of this unjustifiable opinion of yours, and on ESR of all places... you really should know better

yea..its definately not the case..that once u play a give time before a match..u get into a flow..but stuff like that doesn´t appear to locked down numbed dudesses like u.

funny also how people be like "ah,, i only play little these days..ah ah"
and how precisley you have it down to two hours...
how much time u spend pissin last month?

can i convert u to a normal beeing somehow or will u always be like beta wikipedia trying to matter

If you can come back without broken English then I'll be happy to explain.

the 2 hours is based rougly on the fact that my account is 9 months old and in that time I have clocked up 23 hours of play.

It works out at just over 2 hours a month on average (and a lot of that was far from serious play), but the truth is I clocked the majority of those hours up in the first month or so, so in the space of the last 3-4 months my play time has been almost non-existent, becaue SF4 came out.

Many people say they play less than they do, but there are also idiots like you who accuse people of playing more than they do.

Cool, he gave you 7 frags on dm6 to mess with you.

whats wrong with being comfortable

god we need new maps no maps changing..leave dm6 as it is and remove it from mappool would be enough .
same for ztn and dm13

We messed around with dm6, check it out :D
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1780303

Dm6 is fine. Maybe it could use some small adjustments (watch that lexer demo $$$$$$$) but that's all. What's with all the people that want new maps? I agree with guard that lower respawn weapon time is a good thing.
ZTN is easy to get control again with SO much armor and the rail is really easy to get.

I think dm6 is ruined more by the current spawn system than anything else. Like how it is possible to force your opponent to spawn continuously in pillar/lg area. Well maybe not directly possible to force your opponent, but it is possible to deny him the possibility of spawning near RA and stealing it. I dont think players in control of a map should be able to "decide" where their opponents spawn.

double ra

lemme tell ya something. all maps are fine. it's all about adaption.

adapt to dm17

i'll ask fatal1ty for advice.

Only thing its good for is CA, unlike dm7 which is another map that SUCKS