ESR - Which comeback would you rather see?

<< Comment #1 @ 18:09 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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randomness666

Why is makaveli in that poll?

since hes already back in quake :)

<< Comment #5 @ 18:23 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #1

Some of the other players are also playing QL at the moment, such as cha0ticz I believe, however, it is nowhere near the competitive scene and as such a comeback could be in order. If Makaveli has made a comeback to the competitive scene and I missed it then he should be removed though :)

Edited by Paladia at 19:17 CDT, 22 October 2009

<< Comment #6 @ 18:27 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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mbc - Reply to #5

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1772113 though not quite there yet :)

Edited by rift at 23:18 CDT, 22 October 2009

<< Comment #8 @ 18:41 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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LukKe - Reply to #6

you can hardly call that a "comeback to the competitive scene"

<< Comment #250 @ 01:24 CST, 1 November 2009 >>

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bubble_ru - Reply to #8

He is comeback, like Immortal was comeback for Quake IV lol.

<< Comment #117 @ 11:17 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Linchpin - Reply to #6

There's also the russian makaveli, don't know which one the poll is refering too. But the russian makaveli was really good.
-Edit- Looks like he is active again , and still pretty decent looking at his matches -> Rush3Dmakaveli

Edited by Linchpin at 11:23 CDT, 24 October 2009

<< Comment #120 @ 11:43 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #117

He's never not been active.

<< Comment #122 @ 12:11 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Linchpin - Reply to #120

good to know :)

<< Comment #173 @ 19:12 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #117

he is not good because even i win him

<< Comment #317 @ 11:47 CDT, 29 September 2010 >>

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Lowbird - Reply to #117

yeah hes average or maybe above with game time

<< Comment #2 @ 18:10 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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LukKe

way2ez4czm!
btw "uNkind" :p

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<< Comment #3 @ 18:10 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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char

czm or unkind

speaking of zero4 comeback:

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/ZeRo4

<< Comment #4 @ 18:21 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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timmah

Who is elpajuo? Never heard of that guy

<< Comment #9 @ 19:03 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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tzz - Reply to #4

Best CPM player in the US a few years ago, he played in the CXG and did really good (he had to play cooller in the WB finals but the even was shut down iirc) then disappeared a few years later and his family came here searching for help.

<< Comment #12 @ 19:34 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #9

Lost to cooller in the WB Semi final 2-1 (Won pro-q3dm6 if I recall correctly). Cooller then beat ZeRo4 in the WB Final 2-1 but the event was shut-down before the LB final between ZeRo4 and elp could be played (I think).

I think he was at QLAN2 as well.

Edited by iNkind at 19:34 CDT, 22 October 2009

<< Comment #13 @ 19:59 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #12

the event was shut-down before the LB final between ZeRo4 and elp could be played (I think).

They started playing T4 and when the score was 8-8 between them as network died for good. The organizers didn't care anymore at that point but the players wanted to proceed, regardless of the cash (which was never payed out in the end). So they connected Zero4s computer directly to elpajuo, however, the organizers then proceeded to shut down all power as well, so there wasn't much for them to do.

Hence all three, cooller, z4 and elpajuo are considered tied as #1 for that event.

Edited by Paladia at 19:59 CDT, 22 October 2009

<< Comment #14 @ 20:09 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #13

They agreed to be 1>2>3 qlr>z4>elp.

<< Comment #15 @ 20:38 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #14

That's not how I remember it, I'm quite sure they all considered themselves as tied #1 and decided to split all money and hardware.

Why would z4 be ahead of elpajuo when they only played one map which ended 8-8?

<< Comment #27 @ 04:34 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #15

WB Final.

<< Comment #33 @ 06:23 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #27

The final was to be between cooller and the winner of z4/elp (which was never finished). So how was z4 ranked ahead of elp? Regardless, you are mistaken, the official (and inofficial) results were as follows:

Duel Results:
1 - tied. Anton 'cooller' Singov (Moscow, Russia)
1 - tied. Alejandro 've-elpajuo' Gonzales (Venezuela)
1 - tied. John 'ZeRo4' Hill (San Diego, California)
4. Sean 'Daler' Price (Austin, Texas)
5 - tied. Paul 'czm' Nelson (Massachussetts)
5 - tied. Jared 'cha0tics' Cugno (Boston, Massachussets)

<< Comment #34 @ 06:25 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #33

Because z4 was in the winner bracket final and elp was in the semi.

I recall them agreeing to share the money (whether it got paid or not) split 1. qlr 2. z4 3. elp.

But anyway, it doesn't really matter and there's next to no accurate coverage of cXg anywhere and the ESR search function is beyond hopeless.

Edited by iNkind at 06:27 CDT, 23 October 2009

<< Comment #38 @ 11:55 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #34

No z4 and elp had already started playing their match when the servers were shut down.

<< Comment #40 @ 12:08 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #38

I realise that, but the match wasn't finished and like you said it was a tie.

<< Comment #97 @ 04:23 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #34

all I could find

http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=longpost&id=592078&page=1
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=589151

can't the full esreality coverage :(

<< Comment #42 @ 12:20 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #33

due to serious major tournament shortage, he has a physical need to count cxg as something cooller won, don't take it away from him :D

6%

<< Comment #26 @ 04:11 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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tzz - Reply to #12

Ah, yes, that sounds about right.

<< Comment #257 @ 01:53 CST, 2 November 2009 >>

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blaze - Reply to #12

I think he finished second at Qlan2 (cpm tournament).
Rat won, elpa 2nd, toxter third and snapcase fourth I think.

He played in the vq3 tournament also, but didn't do as well compared to the cpm one :)

<< Comment #289 @ 12:32 CST, 15 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (cpe-67-244-114-117.nyc.res.rr.com) - Reply to #257

rat played in the vq3 tournament as well. If I remember correctly he didn't lose cpm1a to anyone.

<< Comment #290 @ 15:50 CST, 15 November 2009 >>

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blaze - Reply to #289

I think that's correct. He was quite lucky that cpm1a got picked for the vq3 tournament :D

<< Comment #20 @ 00:53 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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crv - Reply to #4

one of the best dm6 player

<< Comment #54 @ 13:35 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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lizahd - Reply to #20

please cut off those retro stats!

<< Comment #55 @ 13:38 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #4

elpa had a really unique AGRESSIVE style, nice to watch.

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<< Comment #104 @ 09:22 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #55

RJ binds :DD

<< Comment #143 @ 03:49 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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sixide - Reply to #55

Whenever I watched him move around, especially on DM6, he would do some things that seemed completely crazy or doomed to failure. They always seemed to pay off, though.

One time he did the standard bridge to rail and it seemed obvious he was going to miss. He managed to air-control himself over farther than seemed possible like it was nothing. Also he would regularly dive down onto players where it would seem they would shaft him to death before he hit ground but it never seemed to cause him any trouble.

3%

<< Comment #297 @ 10:07 CST, 21 November 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #143

One time he did the standard bridge to rail and it seemed obvious he was going to miss. He managed to air-control himself over farther than seemed possible like it was nothing.

Want to see this:D

<< Comment #318 @ 08:00 CDT, 30 September 2010 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #297

He did a lot of that stuff from what I saw, some of the most enteraining movement ever for sure! he is missed ;<

<< Comment #99 @ 04:33 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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gnarf - Reply to #4

d:D

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<< Comment #174 @ 19:13 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #99

:D

<< Comment #105 @ 09:23 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #4

only south american quaker to "make it big" afaik. Loved watching him play though.

<< Comment #167 @ 15:10 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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MaJunior - Reply to #105

you forget reef, the Fatal1ty killer :D

<< Comment #194 @ 13:41 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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phaces - Reply to #4

...alias elputo...he�s gg :)

<< Comment #7 @ 18:37 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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erok

would like to see how fatal1ty would fair

<< Comment #10 @ 19:09 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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mefajpE^

czm - smarter choice. great personality, amazing player.

3%

<< Comment #11 @ 19:32 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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ini

<< Comment #16 @ 20:39 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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phz

For me, unkind would be most fun to watch in qlive with his rockets.

But the hype for fat, czm or tox matches would make for fun spectacting too.

<< Comment #17 @ 21:18 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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QuiXilver

Zero4!

<< Comment #18 @ 22:22 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>

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mammon

Sujoy but that won't happen.
xext toxjq, not likely but he would be a top contender if he had the time to put in
third probably Fatality or czm, the mappool suits american playstyle at the moment with t9 and t7

<< Comment #19 @ 00:35 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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JayDee_

I voted for PELE cus I remember watching his old demos and being in awe about his interesting style. Most people probably don't remember him. He played a lot like unkind, just years before unkind was in the scene. Really smart and killer rox.

I don't think there is enough $ out there to motivate most of these people back. When you get older and have more responsibilities, it is impossible to put in the time required to be a top tier quake player. You have to choose to either dedicate your time to a game that nobody follows or do something real with your life.

Edited by JayDee_ at 00:40 CDT, 23 October 2009

<< Comment #300 @ 12:57 CST, 29 November 2009 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #19

this guy had the most unusual binds and I am not talking about smileys and such :)

<< Comment #21 @ 00:53 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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crv

Unkind

<< Comment #22 @ 01:26 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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becks

Sujoy. To this site \o/

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<< Comment #23 @ 01:27 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Alchemist03

PELE was really good n1 for 2 years in rus... top 5 of that list imho zero4 unkind pele fatality lexer or lakerman

<< Comment #59 @ 14:06 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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rockz ' - Reply to #23

no czm? shame on u

<< Comment #24 @ 01:37 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Alchemist03

daler chaoticz socrates makaveli blokey - why we need to see their comaback if we have rapha now =)... polos blue stelam were really interesting players but not really top imho... 9.sujoy 9.doomer(doomer 34 years old now) not sure that they can to play realy good nowdays.. and about thresh - it would be absolutly fantastic if we will see his comaback but so interesting... but of course i wanne see totally comaback of all players in that list =)

<< Comment #85 @ 23:26 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #24

Holy hell it's Alchemist03.

DUDE. Stop learning english, it's ruining the fun :(

<< Comment #197 @ 05:33 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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LoCK - Reply to #85

I WANT TO SEE TOTALLY COMABACK!

<< Comment #25 @ 02:41 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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vedic

I miss czm's cheesy antics. =(

<< Comment #28 @ 04:41 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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micke

czm

<< Comment #29 @ 04:41 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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cYmoZz

fatality + toxic

<< Comment #267 @ 05:05 CST, 3 November 2009 >>

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Venim - Reply to #29

exactly what i'd like to see

<< Comment #30 @ 05:05 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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duumed

there are so many great players i'd like to come back since i wasn't following q3 in the first few years and didn't get to see them in action.

voted for czm

<< Comment #31 @ 05:52 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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tbone

Fatal1ty will add legitimacy and glamour to tournaments. He will probably bring more sponsorship to Quakelive just by competing.

<< Comment #32 @ 06:07 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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ArchaiK

toxjq wihout a doubt. tox and fox 2v2 would make be spray things all over the screen.

<< Comment #35 @ 06:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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tifu

it's really hard to pick only one, so i went with toxjq as i think he could come back and really compete. i'm not so sure about rest of those guys - they got old :P, moved on or just might not have time...

<< Comment #36 @ 07:52 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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ambro

thresh comeback with a ferrari on quakecon :)

<< Comment #45 @ 12:29 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #36

he sold it afaik

<< Comment #175 @ 09:32 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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zoinks - Reply to #45

Did Carmack buy it back? :D

<< Comment #37 @ 10:58 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Vajra

LeXeR!

\o/

<< Comment #39 @ 12:03 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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DamianLillard

I picked fat because you know he's gonna actually practice unlike the rest of these lazy bums

<< Comment #46 @ 12:33 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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timmah - Reply to #39

Most of them practice, they all just tell different degrees of lies about the time.

But I guess time put in is not the only factor that will decide level of play.

Edited by timmah at 12:38 CDT, 23 October 2009

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DamianLillard - Reply to #46

Yeah that's what I meant, that all of them would stop playing completely between official tournaments! a gift for you

http://www.tynansanger.com/uploaded_images/sa...710628.jpg

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Edited by Vernon Schillinger at 02:34 CDT, 24 October 2009

<< Comment #41 @ 12:12 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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exp!

crazyman e toxjq

<< Comment #43 @ 12:22 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Lethe

ain't gonna vote zero4 cause he probably has no motivation whatsoever to play again.

but i vote fatal1ty, cause fat returning to play would promote ql more than anything.

+ czm, ql fits his style

Edited by Lethe at 12:28 CDT, 23 October 2009

<< Comment #47 @ 12:46 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #43

Suits uNkind more!

<< Comment #48 @ 12:51 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #47

unkind is so...2002 =(

<< Comment #49 @ 12:53 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #48

Can't believe z4 only has one vote.

<< Comment #51 @ 13:16 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #49

probably everyone watched his latest demo :D

<< Comment #88 @ 01:42 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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phz - Reply to #49

Only cause they got to see him play last year - so not much of a comeback

<< Comment #44 @ 12:29 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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cyronix '

fatal1ty + thresh,

thresh will never come back though,
and fat will only come if there is some more money.

<< Comment #50 @ 12:59 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Six16

I picked Fatality because id like to see how good he is now compared to the likes of rapha etc..

but id also like to see Lexer, stelam, blue and Lakerman come back..

Also, list needs Stelam adding :)

Edited by d3c4y at 12:59 CDT, 23 October 2009

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ini - Reply to #50

er?

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Six16 - Reply to #52

er, well i was thinking it was a ninja edit, but seems its not, i didnt see :)

<< Comment #53 @ 13:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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lizahd

slinger, kane, american makaveli, menendez, if22, pele,unholy (anyone remembers him?! :-D ) gogogo :p

i'd like to see fat and stelam if ive to choose tho,,,

Edited by lizahd at 13:33 CDT, 23 October 2009

<< Comment #60 @ 14:07 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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rockz ' - Reply to #53

what do u enjoy on if22?

<< Comment #62 @ 14:51 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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lizahd - Reply to #60

in his early days, like until cpl holland he wasnt +back at all :P

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Weird ' - Reply to #62

wow someone who remembers if-22 not being +back.....
you might have a really good memory... or a really bad one. (I for one don't remember who played how before cpl holland Oo)

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phz - Reply to #53

Imagine the joy of watching if22 +back t9 to defend a 1 frag lead :)

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Furball - Reply to #53

i'd rather see Dta back than if-22 =)

Phear the HPB Rail biatch! (unholy) =]

<< Comment #56 @ 13:39 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Weird '

pfffffff, this should be allowed to vote on multiple persons....
Most of them would be really nice...

But I'm so torn between players I admired :(
voted for DOOMer though cuz he was the least voted for on the list of those ppl... and someone above wrote that makaveli is already back ;)

<< Comment #57 @ 13:44 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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lizahd - Reply to #56

i claim most of the list startet ql at least once :PPP

<< Comment #58 @ 13:44 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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h8m3

LeXeR!

<< Comment #61 @ 14:30 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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deotrip

wanna see unkind & lexer back

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<< Comment #63 @ 15:31 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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paulrrrr

czm all the way.

<< Comment #84 @ 23:18 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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efassd - Reply to #63

Hi czm.

<< Comment #65 @ 16:01 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Thorin

It actually blows my mind that Blue has 3% and unkind 16%. Fuck is wrong with you people?

<< Comment #67 @ 16:25 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #65

rather see unkind play since i've already seen enough of blue in ql :p

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ini - Reply to #65

GTFO

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Gladius - Reply to #65

I slightly agree. Blue was really amazing in his prime q3 days, but his q4 days were not REALLY amazing. It was still nice to see him of course, but he couldn't threat the top players. I know he plays some QL, but just for fun I assume...

<< Comment #69 @ 17:01 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Torzelan '

Fatal1ty for QL's sake, Toxic for my sake <3

<< Comment #70 @ 17:56 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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baron Railgun :

Lakerman, babe, Lakerman
!

[ed] the list is kinda ridiculous, because many guys here did not retire for good -for example fatality, it is a well know fact the moment there will be big money prizes mister Anderson will be back, toxjq also played last year, and you miss him already?

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 18:01 CDT, 23 October 2009

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Paladia - Reply to #70

Well, they retired from the competitive Quake scene (which they all were a part of earlier) and thus could come back to it again.

Edited by Paladia at 19:23 CDT, 23 October 2009

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #76

I would not call a year or two of inactivity, retirement. Even if it is technically retirement, as long as we've seen them not too much time ago, it's not enough to call it in a joy, the great return of the dark knight.
To be more specific, my daughter went down from our bed in the morning, and in the evening she was climbing it again, fully enthusiastic, I would not call what she was doing today, a truly retirement.
Same love story.

<< Comment #71 @ 18:21 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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netrex

Impossible to make a decision. I want czm, Thresh, LakermaN and toxic back. Z4muZ is missing, and I want All*Nirvana to play a lot and show his skill internationally for real.

<< Comment #72 @ 18:23 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #71

Ali Naab is missing too

<< Comment #73 @ 18:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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netrex - Reply to #72

Never heard of him.. :P

<< Comment #74 @ 18:38 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #73

=(
unpossible

<< Comment #75 @ 19:20 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #71

Z4muZ isn't missing as he's already doing a comeback. He's playing for excello, participated in the QL Quick Cup and has signed up for Dreamhack.

Edited by Paladia at 19:20 CDT, 23 October 2009

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netrex - Reply to #75

Yeah, I was told after I wrote it :) I'm not really paying attention these days. His stats on QL seems good, hope he attends a big tourney soon.

<< Comment #78 @ 19:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #77

Didn't you read the Dreamhack part? :) It's the second biggest QL tournament if you count how many good players that are participating. Unfortunately I don't think he has enough time to prepare properly for it but will be great to see him in action again.

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netrex - Reply to #78

Hm, no I didn't. When is Dreamhack? It would be nice to go there and photograph for ESR :)

Edit: I found it, starts on my birthday, if I read it right, 26th of November. It will be fun to watch :)

Edit 2: I'm checking traveling costs to see if I can do it, it would have been awesome :D Specially since in 2002 or 2003 I ended up not being able to go to QLAN :)

Edited by netrex at 20:21 CDT, 23 October 2009

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blaze - Reply to #79

come! :D
I'll fix you up with a press-pass if you can make it!

<< Comment #80 @ 21:02 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

Easy one, fat ofc, it would be "HUGE"(c)2GD for QL.

<< Comment #81 @ 21:13 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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s3cco

rat

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #81

damn rats, always scattering in the shadows, making me jumpy!...

<< Comment #86 @ 23:36 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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butchji

toxjq and SteLam :)

<< Comment #87 @ 01:39 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (ip70-181-61-72.ri.ri.cox.net)

Fatality is the one who could most realistically make a comeback and be a force in tournaments. Video games are supposed to be his full time job, right?

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #87

and not for those for those other pro gamers who play 6-8 hours easily a day?

Edited by confusion at 03:07 CDT, 24 October 2009

<< Comment #126 @ 14:03 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (ip70-181-61-72.ri.ri.cox.net) - Reply to #94

For $3000 every 6 months? lol.

<< Comment #90 @ 02:11 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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fuzz

czm and socrates

<< Comment #92 @ 02:48 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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azmo

Shub of course ;)

<< Comment #130 @ 15:31 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #92

That would be really cool:P

<< Comment #93 @ 03:03 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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bl4ze

wombat

<< Comment #95 @ 03:13 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit

crezyman for hub
ZeRo4 for t4

<< Comment #96 @ 03:14 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Trick Troll

lexer, unkind, pele, socrates :(

<< Comment #98 @ 04:31 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit

Someone else: 0.6% (1)3)

-Forever
-iF-22

Dutch glory!

<< Comment #100 @ 08:43 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #98

I'm pretty sure forever is still playing =). Or do you mean as a dueller?

<< Comment #115 @ 10:51 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #100

Yeah I meant if he would make a comeback in the 'programing scene'.

<< Comment #202 @ 14:02 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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loveless - Reply to #115

i wanna see some more chairs thrown
COME BACK FOREVER!

<< Comment #101 @ 08:44 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Gladius

stelam and whole sk back for tdm =)

<< Comment #102 @ 09:10 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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lizahd - Reply to #101

dont you prefer unmatched?

<< Comment #119 @ 11:25 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #102

well, no, since kane is my favorite player and he needs to be in it! =). (so that's stelam, kane, zyz, neok)

<< Comment #121 @ 11:44 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #119

Slinger not neok! (Not to bash neok of course)

<< Comment #124 @ 13:05 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #121

nah! I always felt slinger was the 'weakest link' in the unmatched days.

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Loop? - Reply to #124

now that's odd. i suggest to watch some of the old demos which clearly show that sl1nger was one of (if not THE) the key players in unmatched's (or SK's) success. i always felt that neok was the "weakest" individual player in that team. all in all those guys were awesome together and seeing them again would be a pleasure. especially from a german perspective since we pretty much only have k1llsen nowadays.

Edited by Loop? at 08:57 CDT, 25 October 2009

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Gladius - Reply to #146

hmm, and it seems SK was mostly kane, stelam, slinger & para anyways, so I'd pick that team then.
I always thought slinger had often the worst NET/the most deaths. Gonna check some demos for sure! The good ol' days damned, I want them back ='(

<< Comment #153 @ 11:45 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #149

Kane was their "star" player, every time I've faced them he was always way ahead of the others. Even the maps they lost he was usually ahead of most of our players :)

<< Comment #181 @ 19:45 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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Loop? - Reply to #149

probably slinger was too busy yelling at his teammates for getting fragged on these occasions :D anyway, would be awesome to see some high profile tdm back, fully agree.

<< Comment #196 @ 05:07 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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torfteufel - Reply to #146

if you still have demos showing u or sk play tdm, esp. stelam pov ofcourse :DD
PLS UP THEM TO THE AGP WEBPAGE !!
vote for stelam btw :]

<< Comment #162 @ 13:43 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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butchji - Reply to #119

Kane is a professional football player nowadays. :)
He plays in the 2nd League in Germany.

<< Comment #164 @ 14:49 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #162

so he transformed his quake dodging and hitting skills into football :)

<< Comment #171 @ 18:26 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #162

yes I know, and he seems to be in the team quite a lot too.

http://www.rwo-online.de/saison/rwo/kader.php?show=574

<< Comment #103 @ 09:11 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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nemecel

Is uNkind alive?

<< Comment #106 @ 09:38 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Liam

voted for unborn

<< Comment #107 @ 10:03 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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uPro x1t

http://www.quakelive.com/r/profile/summary/K9...57/Tourney
makaveli ftw, hes playing O_o

<< Comment #112 @ 10:27 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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K9-makaveli - Reply to #107

I don't really use that account (that was my 1st and only game) as I like to play in peace/quiet and have a good time. That's what happens when you get old... you like quiet, haha! Especially sometimes when I come home in the evening after a few drinks...

I could always play Counter-strike when I had some liquor, but quake, oh boy... all over the place with some alcohol, haha.

I need to get rid of this monitor though... 25 ms response time and only 72 Hz LCD.... hehe -- I don't know how much it is gimping me, but from what I've been told, it is pretty bad.

I am trying to get Unholy, immortal, and some of my other friends to start playing again though.

Edited by K9-makaveli at 10:38 CDT, 24 October 2009

<< Comment #118 @ 11:22 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Linchpin - Reply to #112

your russian nemesis is still active :D, see link.
Rush3Dmakaveli

Edited by Linchpin at 15:01 CDT, 24 October 2009

<< Comment #136 @ 17:49 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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tbone - Reply to #112

Hell yeah, you should try and form a tdm clan, atleast that you can still play for laughs without it taking too much time. Although I've heard tdm isn't big in the US atm :(

<< Comment #137 @ 19:42 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #136

Get the rest of Deathrow out of the rest home and back in ql...

<< Comment #108 @ 10:14 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (94-195-191-3.zone9.bethere.co.uk)

kdawg innit

<< Comment #109 @ 10:16 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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K9-makaveli

No immortal on the list? ='-(

<< Comment #110 @ 10:21 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #109

He made a comeback in Q4 and didn't do all that great, not terrible by any means but not really that impressive.

<< Comment #111 @ 10:25 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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K9-makaveli - Reply to #110

That's because I wasn't practicing with him!!! =) hehe

<< Comment #113 @ 10:48 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #111

woow you're back nice. always enjoyed watching your demos.
still play with that high sense?

<< Comment #116 @ 10:58 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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K9-makaveli - Reply to #113

I think I'm just twitchy.. not really the sensitivity.

<< Comment #123 @ 12:17 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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lizahd - Reply to #116

move unholy here asap!!! :)

<< Comment #125 @ 13:07 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #109

lol that guy was a fucking drop kick

<< Comment #201 @ 12:06 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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JayDee_ - Reply to #109

An immy comeback would be cool. I always thought his style was unique and strange. He had slow clumsy movement, but could out aim everybody by a great margin. He would hit crazy rails in ql.

<< Comment #230 @ 10:16 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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ear - Reply to #109

this him?
http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/k9immortal

<< Comment #232 @ 10:38 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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K9-makaveli - Reply to #230

Nope

<< Comment #114 @ 10:51 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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KitesAreFun

1. Fatality or Toxic

<< Comment #127 @ 14:29 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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cyronix '

From Wikipedia (last sentence in the article about fat):
Has recently become a Full Tilt Poker Pro using his tag.

It seems 90 % of the progamers become pokerplayers after their gaming career.

<< Comment #128 @ 14:36 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #127

No education, no skills.

Poker awaits...

4%

<< Comment #148 @ 10:38 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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K9-makaveli - Reply to #128

I told him to go to college and not rely on the gaming stuff...

Hope he listened to me.

<< Comment #165 @ 14:50 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #148

Fatal1ty made a lot of money with gaming and he is now a business man who promotes his own products. Why should he go to college?

<< Comment #169 @ 17:35 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #165

Because he had to sell out and still has a quite unreliable job, it's nothing to raise a family or buy a house with, nothing in pro gaming is imo.

7%

<< Comment #195 @ 15:57 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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K9-makaveli - Reply to #169

This......

<< Comment #207 @ 20:17 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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Vo0 - Reply to #169

But...but...he's a millionaire.

<< Comment #214 @ 10:07 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #207

:D You want your own smug face on those motherboards?

<< Comment #268 @ 05:10 CST, 3 November 2009 >>

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Venim - Reply to #207

you should be on this list too btw

<< Comment #303 @ 08:15 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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Cloud - Reply to #169

its not unreliable. this comment is true ignorance. Are you his tax accountant? You actually know his income?

He's made. And i don't even agree with how he did it either.

Edited by Cloud at 08:22 CST, 8 March 2010

<< Comment #302 @ 08:13 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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Cloud - Reply to #128

poker doesn't take any skill?

How much money would you like to play for?

<< Comment #306 @ 08:42 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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ini - Reply to #302

Yeah, you got me, that was what I was saying.

<< Comment #308 @ 10:35 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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Cloud - Reply to #306

oh

now i see what u did there..

<< Comment #129 @ 14:41 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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vicek

would love to see Fatal1ty in action

but... he loses in FFA shootouts :(

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/matches/fatal1ty/20695878/DM

<< Comment #133 @ 17:47 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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tbone - Reply to #129

Haha, it is really hard to win every FFA.

<< Comment #135 @ 17:48 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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vicek - Reply to #133

:p

<< Comment #157 @ 12:27 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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bubble_ru - Reply to #129

He is better in 2v4 :

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/matches/fat...633500/TDM

<< Comment #159 @ 12:41 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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vicek - Reply to #157

yeah at some point in one of those 2v4 matches the score was, if i remember correctly, 197:0 ;-)

still beating him in ffa was a nice experience :p

<< Comment #131 @ 17:12 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Jigglypuff

LakermaN!!!!

<< Comment #134 @ 17:47 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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tbone - Reply to #131

Lakerman would be awesome, but he probably need too much time to get back into it. His old "esp" used to give me orgasms.

<< Comment #132 @ 17:47 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Nukm

tox and fat

<< Comment #139 @ 20:17 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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Hito

Impossible to choose one, ive always liked Pele and Lakermans style. Would love to see Lexer, Czm and Fat back too though...

I think any match between rapha, cooller, fat and czm in their prime would just be amazing.

<< Comment #138 @ 20:10 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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stuntz

Polos is rulez :D

<< Comment #140 @ 20:32 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>

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EKSelenc

uNkind or toxjq.

<< Comment #142 @ 03:45 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (194.71.19.244)

immortal (usa), Shub-niGGa (nor) and Scion (nor).
Are true legends for me.
/[pig]Parish

<< Comment #141 @ 02:16 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Adel

toxjq

<< Comment #144 @ 04:33 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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amOKchen

I've always been a lakerman fan, so heres my top5 :p

1. LakermaN
2. toxic
3. unkind
4. daler
5. elpajuo (this guy was amazing not much footage on him though)

<< Comment #145 @ 05:35 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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telly

Pietro

1%

<< Comment #147 @ 08:59 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Loop?

lexer,stelam,sl1nger,zyz,kane, czm,fatal1ty, in no specific order.

+ cooller being as successful as he used to be ;)

Edited by Loop? at 09:00 CDT, 25 October 2009

<< Comment #151 @ 11:06 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Vium

k3no og hazzi aka gur piuv

<< Comment #152 @ 11:15 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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KekS

- ElkY
- Grrr..
- rat

<< Comment #154 @ 11:46 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #152

Major Poll: QL

"Quake live has brought quite a few players back to the scene. Which comeback to the Quake competitive scene would you rather see (as a player)?"

:(

Edited by Paladia at 11:46 CDT, 25 October 2009

<< Comment #155 @ 11:52 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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KekS - Reply to #154

WHICH COMEBACK WOULD YOU RATHER SEE?
<list of persons and some random blabla i didn't care about>

<< Comment #156 @ 11:53 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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KekS - Reply to #155

also any of my list rather than any of yours :p

<< Comment #158 @ 12:28 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #155

Well, you should at least check which category its in :)

However, you can do a SC one sometime later. Though most SC players have already made a comeback. :)

Edited by Paladia at 12:28 CDT, 25 October 2009

<< Comment #160 @ 13:03 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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judge717

czm easy

<< Comment #161 @ 13:27 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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bubble_ru

Best fail :

"A Legend return", quake IV, Immortal.
Videos etc ...

A Legend Returns
Once, long ago, a legend trod the earth, fragging opponents with ease and reigning as a good and wise champion.

Until, one day, he vanished into the mists of time.

On Tuesday, he returns.....and GGL.com will cover every step of his exciting comeback

<< Comment #163 @ 14:20 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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linoleuM

rat or czm

Edited by linoleuM at 14:20 CDT, 25 October 2009

<< Comment #166 @ 14:51 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit

lakerman vs z4 on t4... interesting.

<< Comment #168 @ 17:31 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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stunt.us

imagine stx-kash playing QL. I mean osp was super easy for him. I want to see the kash come back!

<< Comment #170 @ 17:42 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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micke - Reply to #168

kash=rapha

<< Comment #172 @ 18:53 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #170

no wai! kash was known for having aim of GODS with lg and railgun. rapha just runs and spams rl.

<< Comment #176 @ 09:45 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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duumed - Reply to #172

rapha just walks and spams rl.

there, i fixed it for you

<< Comment #179 @ 13:48 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #176

hahah true ;D

<< Comment #247 @ 18:32 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #168

You know, i hate you. But i have to say, you're one heck of a good troll.

<< Comment #254 @ 19:05 CST, 1 November 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #247

We need another poll to decide imo.

I'm pretty sure I know what the outcome will be though.

<< Comment #304 @ 08:16 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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Cloud - Reply to #247

what in the fuck are u talkin about?

<< Comment #305 @ 08:30 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #304

Nice reflex, retard. Fuck off back to your cave.

<< Comment #307 @ 08:59 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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Cloud - Reply to #305

reflex? what in the Fuck are you talkin about now you stupid fuckin idiot? just shut the fuck up ur fuckin useless and worthless

<< Comment #309 @ 13:35 CST, 8 March 2010 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #307

Shush, kid. I know it's hard to live with a reading disability, don't make yourself look even worse.

<< Comment #177 @ 09:58 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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frozen`

PELE[PK]

2%

<< Comment #178 @ 10:58 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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ddk

THERAILMCCOY

9%

<< Comment #186 @ 10:23 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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zkyp - Reply to #178

!!!!!

<< Comment #180 @ 15:41 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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JDMYO

czm of course - he was the SHIT! possibly the best allround Quake3 player of all time - tdm, cpm, 1v1 etc. Who could forget that T4 game he had against Aim (Ambix?) where he hit 3 pixel rails in a row from the bottom level to the top whilst Aim was stacked in sudden death overtime to win the game :) was awesome!
And didn't czm give Cooller his biggest defeat of his carreer on hub :)

<< Comment #184 @ 04:59 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #180

demo?

<< Comment #185 @ 06:27 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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frisky - Reply to #184

http://challenge-tv.com/index_old.php?mode=de...demo=23219

<< Comment #192 @ 13:24 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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frozen` - Reply to #180

czm TDM? lol

<< Comment #204 @ 15:56 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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erok - Reply to #192

he played for cK when they were the top NA team and actually did well against euro teams

<< Comment #182 @ 23:17 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>

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per1klez

i dont understand all the talk for czm.. he tried to come back with EG last year and got pwned. I'd much rather see fatal1ty go for gold.

<< Comment #183 @ 04:46 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #182

czm is a secure ticket, if fatality can adjust to the level quake is played is something else.
Also probably why he is reluctant to jump into it, the level is to high for him :P

<< Comment #233 @ 12:12 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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micke - Reply to #182

czm is a likeable character, fatalalalaonetwoty isn't

<< Comment #234 @ 12:36 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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per1klez - Reply to #233

Fortunately for him, that is an opinion restricted mainly to ESR and few other esports communities. For the other millions of people that have heard of him or seen him play, his persona is far more likable than that of a czm.

<< Comment #262 @ 12:13 CST, 2 November 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #234

whoa now. I'm not and have never been a fatal1ty basher. I got along with him just fine the few times I've actually spent a little time with him, but you should give Paul more credit. He's great.

<< Comment #266 @ 03:00 CST, 3 November 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #262

why are you arguing with periklez as if he had any clue of wha he's taking about?

<< Comment #187 @ 10:35 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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deotrip

keeper should come back too

<< Comment #188 @ 11:37 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #187

hah yeah he was solid :D

<< Comment #189 @ 12:05 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #187

keep3r

<< Comment #190 @ 12:15 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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deotrip - Reply to #189

k29.keep3r
keep3r^v4
c58|Keep3r

Edited by deotrip at 12:16 CDT, 27 October 2009

<< Comment #191 @ 12:37 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #190

well done ;)

<< Comment #277 @ 00:01 CST, 7 November 2009 >>

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sixide - Reply to #187

From what I gather, he's playing CS these days. He was pretty awesome to watch on ztn back when he was in shape (an unfortunately brief time).

<< Comment #193 @ 13:41 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>

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phaces

Lexer

3%

<< Comment #314 @ 21:46 CDT, 30 July 2010 >>

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CLains - Reply to #193

yes! it would be the most fun

<< Comment #198 @ 09:57 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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CAREEM

my vote stays with zyz

<< Comment #199 @ 10:36 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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panadol

stelam slinger and everyone else

<< Comment #200 @ 11:51 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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JayDee_

Mikes for TDM? Also it would be cool if Dag, Def, or Reppie from qw tried their hands at ql duel.

Edited by JayDee_ at 11:52 CDT, 28 October 2009

<< Comment #205 @ 15:59 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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frozen` - Reply to #200

Mikes may be will come back!

<< Comment #209 @ 01:09 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #200

Why should they waste time with a shitty, slow, hitscan cs game? Especially +forward Reppie with his 5cm/360 sensitivity. Waste of talent imo.

Edited by terrorhead at 01:10 CDT, 29 October 2009

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JayDee_ - Reply to #209

Because they have been playing the same players and shithouse maps since the creation of the universe. However, I'll agree qw has superior fundamental gameplay and the top players would probably never switch to anything else. I just think it would be nice to see a guy of Reppies insane talents try something different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6REVMQYrK8

<< Comment #211 @ 04:27 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #210

Not sure if I want to see Reppie in QL. Everyone would just own him. He would have to completely change his setup and style of play.

I agree about maps though. dm2 and possibly dm4 should be removed from comps.

Nice vid. I still have that demo :D

Edited by terrorhead at 04:28 CDT, 29 October 2009

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Paladia - Reply to #200

I would go as far as saying that players like dag aren't as talented as some of the top players in QL.

When QW was the game, when it had players like DOOMer, Sniket, oKKun, Lakerman, Kane and so on, dag played at that time as well (I don't know if reppie or def played at that time but if they did they were so poor they weren't even known in the slightest then). However, dag, or dagurra as he was known as then, didn't stand a chance against those players, he was even at a lower level of play than me.

When all good players leave from a dead community, some lesser player is bound to take the #1 spot.

That goes for most of those current QW "stars", such as pietro, locktar, riker, xalibur, mrlane and so on. I do not even think they would disagree with me.

<< Comment #216 @ 10:28 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #213

Dude, less talented? QW requires a different skillset altogether. Different strats, movement, weapons, it's hard to compare, even. Also, how can you know if the current "stars" of QW wouldn't catch up to the old masters even, if they did stay in the game?

I'd say, if they'd put in time and effort, some of them could become top contenders in QL.

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Zalon - Reply to #213

I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense. As much as I respect the oldschool players (They were the top when I started playing), they simply didn't play the same game as the game thats played today. Saying that Dag wasn't as good, because he peaked at a later stage in the games history - Is like saying that LakermaN was only good, because Thresh wasn't around anymore. But even back then the game had changed alot, from when Thresh was king to when LakermaN won TGI. LakermaN was part of the era where aim, speed, and the ability to do tricks became a major factor in the game, whereas the players from the previous era had relied much more on just tactics.

QuakeWorld have had numerous eras, and different kings for each era. Some have stayed on top throughout most of the game's lifespan, players like ParadokS, reppie, dag and griffin. And I'm sure players like that have/had the talent to be good in any game. Just like LakermaN showed, some people can just pick up a game and instantly be good.

Regarding the players you list as current "stars", only LocKtar and riker is around.

But I would agree, that most top qw players probably wouldn't do as good in QL, but thats more of an age/lack of time thing than it is talent. Also they would be lightyears behind the Quake3 players. If Nabbe had not been moved from the "Participating players" to the "Pending Players" list, for the QL tourney at DreamHack winter, we could have seen what a top qw player could do in QL - with limited practice.

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Paladia - Reply to #217

There is nothing suggesting that Thresh was better than Lakerman, DOOMer or Sniket.

Did you watch 9 vs DR? I was there and watched it live and talked to the players. The first time EU and NA actually faced each other in QW/RQ, DR didn't do too well there (they even lost in their games vs IoP, another much less known medium-skilled Swedish team). Of course, while they were here Thresh also played 1v1s, losing games vs Xenon, DOOMer etc.

It's not like these current QW stars werent active at that point. Riker, mrlame, dagurra and so on played quite a bit yet wasn't even considered mediocre players in comparison to the likes of DOOMer or Lakerman.

I even played in the same team as Riker and mrlame, so I do know them as players more than most yet my opinion still holds true, they, just like me, werent as talented as players like Lakerman. It's simply easier to be amongst the best when the community size is 100 compared to 1 000 000, especially if you have a 10 year game advantage on all the new players.

Edited by Paladia at 12:58 CDT, 29 October 2009

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telly - Reply to #221

You are ignoring the fact that most of the early star players in Quake were established Doom players. Doomer, Ettu, Lakerman, Thresh etc all played Doom multiplayer and came into Quake already holding a lot of FPS experience. It was no surprise they dominated early on. Just like in Q3 where all the early tournaments were won by veteran Q1 and Q2 players.

Edited by telly at 10:39 CDT, 31 October 2009

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Cloud - Reply to #221

thresh was already deep into playin q2 at the time and had stopped playing q1, not to mention he was an NQ player not a qw player.

<< Comment #218 @ 11:42 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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JayDee_ - Reply to #213

No offence dude, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Dag not being top notch when laker was playing doesn't prove anything. Different players have different motivations at different times. Pietro has been out of the scene for a looooong time. The players who have been at the top of the qw scene in recent years are very very skilled and would destroy laker at his previous form. There is no need to make comments when you clearly don't know anything about the subject.

<< Comment #203 @ 14:13 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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abso

zyz

<< Comment #206 @ 19:23 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>

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shay - Reply to #203

zyz sucks.. so did ewa braun.. ehm

<< Comment #208 @ 01:07 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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terrorhead

Fuck them all. I want to see Griffin and dag comeback.

<< Comment #212 @ 04:37 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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ins '

COMEBACK CZM!

<< Comment #220 @ 12:29 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #212

CZM is awessome!! But i would like to see a Fatal1ty comeback to shut people's mouth that say he isn't good anymore... But it would be funny if he comebacked and get owned xD

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ins ' - Reply to #220

Fatal1ty will comeback rather sooner than later, and yep he will get owned most likely.

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becks - Reply to #225

I disagree.

I think if fatal1ty does decide to come back officially he will make sure that he can hold his own among the top players in practice games before doing it.
And I think we can all agree that he is not the type of players who is worse in tournaments than in his practise games.

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<< Comment #228 @ 09:49 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #226

i'm oficially impressed. Just checked his stats on ql and he is owning on ffa... He said on an interview @ gamescon that he likes to play a lot of ffa to prepair his aim for a tournament, but he might be playing just for fun, I don't know... And you are right, Fatal1ty isn't stupid that's why he reached his status....

<< Comment #215 @ 10:24 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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stelamfanboy

the guy who knows whom i voted for gets a beer!

<< Comment #219 @ 12:10 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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madbringer

Crrrrrrrrrrrrrrazyman!

But honestly, i'd love to see them all come back. The more the merrier. :)

Those and many more, especially people who managed to embed themselves in my memory, like Rocketboy, Kane, Paradoks, Gollum, Python, Matrox, Roos, Death, Arrw, Shub, w3st.. the list goes on.

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[mash] - Reply to #219

kane is currently the captain of "Rot-Wei� Oberhausen" in the 2nd Bundesliga. pretty successfull it seems.

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Edited by [mash] at 21:37 CDT, 30 October 2009

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madbringer - Reply to #241

Haha, no shit? Well good for him. I'd still like to see him make a comeback, the guy was sick.

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[mash] - Reply to #248

yeah, you could see him with his captains badge if some lazy ass admin would approve the pic.

i still remember his demos from LanArena. :D

e:

apparently he's now worth 700k. http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/spieler/8107/b...rofil.html

up 600k since the last time people talked about it.

Edited by [mash] at 19:35 CDT, 31 October 2009

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becks - Reply to #249

can't approve pics at the moment.

I blame funnyb!

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funnyb - Reply to #260

what the fudge

<< Comment #222 @ 16:27 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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MUNG>esh

where's cK 2v2 w/czm + fat option?!?

<< Comment #227 @ 06:06 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #222

cause everyone would vote for foxic?

<< Comment #240 @ 21:32 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #227

i'd vote for cox&fox.

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becks - Reply to #240

yes you would

<< Comment #245 @ 08:41 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #242

:D

<< Comment #223 @ 17:24 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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davis

czm for sure

<< Comment #224 @ 21:22 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>

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CAREEM

why no zyz in this vote poll? He was q2 superstar in tdm / duels so was he in Q3 tdm and awesome duel player in PK. He was 4th at world champion ship in PK 2005.

<< Comment #229 @ 10:01 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #224

Duel wise I don't think he has placed top3 in any tournament.

Though there are lots of players that you could argue would have a place in such a poll, Kane is the one that comes closest to mine. However, no matter where you draw the line, the will be cases close to the line that can be argued.

You can also vote on the "Someone else" option for such players though.

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CAREEM - Reply to #229

half of those players didnt placed top3 on the list...... and unmatched did placed top3 in many tournaments, won couple of times too... zyz did won pk too at some tournaments..

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Paladia - Reply to #237

Lets see, you claim half of the players didn't place top3 in a duel tournament. I'll just mention one tournament for those I remember. To be fair, I'll only mention lan tournaments.

czm: 24% (79)
#1 QIL4

Fatal1ty: 18% (60)
#1 XSReality Invitational

toxjq: 17% (56)
#1 Dreamhack winter 2005

uNkind: 12% (41)
#1 WCG 2002

LeXeR: 4.8% (16)
#1 QuakeCon 2002

Thresh: 3.6% (12)
#1 Red Annihilation

LakermaN: 3.3% (11)
#1 Lan Arena 4

Stelam: 3.3% (11)
#1 Lan Arena 5

ZeRo4: 1.8% (6)
#1 QuakeCon 2001

Polosatiy: 1.8% (6)
#1 AMD PG Challenge 2003

PELE: 1.8% (6)
#1 RazerCPL Qualifier

Blue: 1.5% (5)
#1 CPL Asia

socrates: 1.5% (5)
#1 WCG USA 2002

DOOMer: 1.5% (5)
#1 Swedish Quake Championships

elpajuo: 1.2% (4)
#1 Cyber X-Games

Makaveli: 0.9% (3)
#2 XSReality Invitational

Sujoy: 0.9% (3)
#3 Ground Zero

cha0ticz: 0.6% (2)
Can't remember any

Blokey: 0.3% (1)
#1 XSReality AMD Cup (this was a duel tournament but not alone though).

Daler: 0.3% (1)
#1 ION Games

As you can see, your claim that "half those players never placed top3 in a duel tournament", was entirely inaccurate. Almost all of them have won at least one LAN tournament.

Edited by Paladia at 09:59 CST, 2 November 2009

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becks - Reply to #239

pwnz0red

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sixide - Reply to #239

Wasn't ION Games an online tournament? The one where elpajuo went AFK on tourney4 with a small (1 frag?) lead, and then Daler took the win at the end?

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Paladia - Reply to #278

I think you may be right, though he was #1 at AmeriCup and LayeredX as well (and second at Quakecon and WCG USA 2002).

Edited by Paladia at 07:09 CST, 7 November 2009

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Apoc

Python should be in the list. And the spanish guy who won one of the WCG's, whose name I can't remember.

I would still have voted for PELE [PK], hail!

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noctis - Reply to #231

the spanish guy that got second behind unkind you mean

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Apoc - Reply to #253

Thats' right, I wondered if a WCG winner could be forgotten.

But Akiles, not heard much of him lately..

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cha0ticz

I'm rocking 2 votes at the moment, one of which was me so I'd like to give a big shout-out to my fan!

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becks - Reply to #235

you can click on show votes to see who it was and thank him personally ;)

<< Comment #264 @ 12:55 CST, 2 November 2009 >>

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_agu - Reply to #235

i'd like to see you playing quake4 on galang, vs socrates.. some us tournament which i woudn't forget hahaha was amazing that game

<< Comment #274 @ 05:38 CST, 4 November 2009 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #235

You can use a plural now :)

<< Comment #298 @ 02:52 CST, 24 November 2009 >>

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StywoO - Reply to #235

Since you voted for yourself, can we assume your coming back? :)

<< Comment #236 @ 14:53 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>

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Co1nCo1n

SOMBRA ! lol

<< Comment #244 @ 08:02 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>

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gut

phyton, prozac and mist

<< Comment #246 @ 09:13 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>

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Jazka

I voted stelam because i remember him firstly as being a great TDM player. Same for toxjq. And same for prozac. Same for makaveli because he is my first demo watched, a tdm demo on DM6 before the pro version, he was camping at RA and looking up.

And so on, i would like to see all those players come back for some great TDM with a lot of teams fighting to be n�1.

<< Comment #251 @ 03:28 CST, 1 November 2009 >>

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G.I. Jonesy

The Genie says, "you have three wishes". Aladdin tells the Genie his first wish, "I wish for unlimited wishes.". Robin Williams tells Aladdin, "Well that kind of defeats the purpose of only having three wishes, but what can I do? Rules is rules.".

I always liked CZM, Toxic and Lexer myself. If I had my way, they would all come back.

<< Comment #252 @ 09:44 CST, 1 November 2009 >>

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Yellack

Z4 with a ball mouse! \o/

<< Comment #255 @ 00:53 CST, 2 November 2009 >>

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roffo

CZM for sure. The guy built a fucking railgun

<< Comment #259 @ 02:28 CST, 2 November 2009 >>

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blaze

needs more rat!
anyway voted fat.

<< Comment #263 @ 12:53 CST, 2 November 2009 >>

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_agu

i voted on fatal1ty but i rather like to see fist1 back on track :)

<< Comment #265 @ 15:43 CST, 2 November 2009 >>

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Dird

GitzZz

<< Comment #271 @ 17:12 CST, 3 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (client-81-98-54-53.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net)

Outside of the usual suspects I would like to see (not just from Q3):

Polos, Blokey, Lakerman, Aim, Q50, Slinger & Stelam (surely they're a double team super combo?), Panicore, Prozac, Appleseed, IF22 anyone? and just cos I love him, Timber.

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<< Comment #272 @ 05:24 CST, 4 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #271

Q50 is playing QL

<< Comment #276 @ 14:03 CST, 5 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (client-86-25-205-41.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) - Reply to #272

Great!

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butchji - Reply to #271

Appleseed is playing QL!

<< Comment #285 @ 13:52 CST, 12 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (client-81-98-51-110.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) - Reply to #284

Even better!

<< Comment #270 @ 17:06 CST, 3 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (87.196.88.135)

shub_nigga played some tdm's with cooller, frozen etc.
SPRAY

<< Comment #269 @ 11:59 CST, 3 November 2009 >>

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ini

Would be cool to see Enemy play again too.

<< Comment #273 @ 05:37 CST, 4 November 2009 >>

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Demiurge '

Probably enjoy seeing LeXeR play by far the most, would be really awesome if he played again.

<< Comment #275 @ 06:22 CST, 4 November 2009 >>

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pizz

1. niceguy/Greenbastard
2. pezouille
3. pizzette

<< Comment #281 @ 06:02 CST, 10 November 2009 >>

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yo_O

uNkind, LeXeR, b100.Death, cGu'Nova and many more ;)

<< Comment #282 @ 06:52 CST, 10 November 2009 >>

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raithza

I'd like to see Yuka make another comeback. This time as fatal1ty. imagine the DRAMA!

also, rat.

<< Comment #283 @ 10:52 CST, 10 November 2009 >>

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bates

oldschoolers! :P

<< Comment #286 @ 09:14 CST, 13 November 2009 >>

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GrotesK

Blue to make a comeback with T4~
czm would also be great.

<< Comment #287 @ 16:20 CST, 13 November 2009 >>

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Disrepute

I would like to see yuka back (as one of the above names)

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melechesh ' - Reply to #287

'ello 'ello 'ello, whats all this then

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Disrepute - Reply to #322

stalker!

<< Comment #288 @ 12:15 CST, 14 November 2009 >>

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Shrike

Wombat !

<< Comment #291 @ 19:14 CST, 15 November 2009 >>

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Co1nCo1n

czm: 22%

+ hub for QL

<< Comment #292 @ 11:01 CST, 16 November 2009 >>

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Shardik

Thresh for sure !

and Hub, Qtv, mvd for QL yep :)

Edited by Shardik at 11:02 CST, 16 November 2009

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Anonymous (cache1.elion.ee)

czm for sure. the best player ever to grace the quake community with his presence imho.
really wish he would make another comeback in QL. :)

<< Comment #294 @ 05:29 CST, 19 November 2009 >>

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NEED NEW POLL: WHO GONNA WIN DHW KKTHXBYE

<< Comment #295 @ 07:22 CST, 20 November 2009 >>

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JDMYO

Paul Nelson! lets have one last duel tourney off you?! Come on dude. You can live upto Rapha, Cypher and Cooller. No one else can but CZM can :)
Someone make Hub for QL and bring CZM back! :)
Shit! - I bet Rapha would own on hub... :o

<< Comment #296 @ 08:07 CST, 20 November 2009 >>

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JDMYO

http://vodpod.com/watch/968129-eswc-finals-cz...-sk-gaming

Go, go czm! :D

<< Comment #299 @ 10:37 CST, 28 November 2009 >>

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Black2lip

Blue or LakermaN two of my favorite quake players all time.

<< Comment #310 @ 14:09 CDT, 7 July 2010 >>

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dunZ

toxjq : )

<< Comment #311 @ 04:48 CDT, 28 July 2010 >>

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bates - Reply to #310

Done.

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amOKchen - Reply to #311

Then it could only get better if LakermaN stopped being a poker millionaire and started quake again!

<< Comment #313 @ 05:04 CDT, 28 July 2010 >>

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bates - Reply to #312

If he thinks that this is the right way. Don't think he'll replace his millions from poker with a dirty old railgun :P

Edited by nails at 05:04 CDT, 28 July 2010

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klout

Fatal1ty, fox and czm.

<< Comment #316 @ 11:35 CDT, 29 September 2010 >>

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Lowbird

need more lexer votes tbfh. or else your not enlightened.

<< Comment #319 @ 13:45 CDT, 1 October 2010 >>

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sic4rius

Fatal1ty ofc.

But I highly doubt that he would perform a comeback in a broken game and a watered down version of one of his favourite games, which lacks the ability to spawn LAN servers. By now he already must have realised that there's no future for a game as incomplete and undeveloped like QL.

And what else is there for people wanting fast gameplay and compete in 1on1 tourneys? Right, nothink!

<< Comment #321 @ 17:30 CDT, 27 May 2012 >>

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DizzyMage

what was the last tournament doomer competed in?

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