Steelseries Kinzu + Qck

If you're a righty and don't have small hands, i'd recommend the 518. It sits good in your hand, even if you have a weird grip (crabs rejoice), works just as good for, both, high and low sens, doesn't need a pad to retain smooth traction and is very precise. Can't bring any math to the table, but i'm happy with mine.

Not sure how it compares to the recent competition, but it gets universally good reviews. Plus, it's very affordable, nowadays.

The only downside i can tell, is that it's not very durable, so if you're the slammer type, get something more solid.

intellimouse explorer 3.0

I've owned all of the mice you listed and many more. Nothing is as good as the 3.0.

wheel mouse optical

Pad is mandatory. Did you consider the M$ Wheelmouse Optical 1.1a?

All those mice you listed are exceptional, you can't go wrong with either of them.

ikari optical has the fastest clicks = better reaction time.

ie.30 has the slowest reaction time I've ever tested on a mouse.

Deathadder was nice.

mx510 and mx518 have nice clicks too. but the ikari is faster and a better mouse imo than those two. But you might not like the design.

After checking out the Ikari it does sound rather nice. I hate the fact with the deathadder that i have to do some bullshit to it instead of it having work perfect out of the box. So the ikari eliminates issues such as that and has no bullshit tacked on?

ikari optical has the fastest clicks = better reaction time.


hahahhaha

Why the hahaha? If you check the new mousescore thread, you'll see that he is right.

fastest clicks? like that would help you win your games.. jesus christ this is pathetic

Jesus christ yourself. If you have a mouse X that takes 100ms before it reacts to a click, compared to mouse Y that only takes 20 ms. to register it, i'd say that's a pretty good advantage.

hahah.. oh wow, do you really think this would improve your game more than say, studying tactics or something!?

i get the whole "i got a hobby and thats mice", i get that. but dont come suggesting it improves his game at all with faster mouse clicks (within reason ofc)

Why are you making stuff up, I've never talked about tactics or whether it's better to do this or that. The fact is that some mice register the click faster than others, which is an advantage. Nothing else. How big it is, is entirely up to the individual.

one day you will see how silly this is

even tho they're idiots, your hobby is shopping for cool stuff. you are not eligible to call anyone stupid.

uhh.. yyyyyeah... not really the same thing

you make it look like my idea of fun is buying stuff :D

No one said it would improve more than you can with say studying tactics and improving you're own game, but why not give yourself the slight edge while you're at it? In high level's of competition (or even on just closely skilled players), missing one or two very close shots, primarily hitscan like rail, that could've hit can shift the outcome of an entire game, if the circumstances and positioning are right. It is especially obvious in games like Quake where full comebacks even after a large point deficit aren't uncommon. I see no reason to hate on people for wanting to give themselves the less margin for error that isn't caused by external factors such as input lag.

if you do reaction time tests and such you can really tell the difference.

the games he plays are almost like reaction time where you sit and wait and have to have a quick register.

From experience playing and reaction time tests, I have noticed a big gap in ms with certain mouse clicks. Especially in the 3.0. It's rather slow.

Its only milliseconds so whatever. 15-30 ms is a big deal for some of us.

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Ok let's compare the Ikari Optical or Lazer with the IE3.0:

According to the japanese Mouse tests Ikari has 5 ms reaction time average, the IE3.0 has 16,7 ms average. The difference is 10 ms rounded.
10 ms, that's 0,01 seconds or one-hundredth of a second.

Now let's see which mouse is most commonly used: IE3.0! (or their clones IMO and WMO)

So in conclusion, to say the IE3.0 is "slow" is wrong, it's not the fastest available but works really well for most normal people.

but there is other variations in humans that test didnt describe.

On an individual basis, I noticed it to even be slower. 20ms -30ms slower.

lol

buy the one you like. Specifically the one with the shape that you think will feel good for you.

I bought a ime 3.0 and I personally don't like it for quake. I went back to using my mx510 instead and now it just collects dust

You absolutely have to hold the mice in your hand in the shop before you buy them! All of those you listed are completely different when it comes to shape and weight (very important - in fact, those are perhaps the only important things! And reading specification lists or forums won't do you any good when you don't like the shape of a mouse....).

mx518: big, bulky shape. you might not like it (I Don't). Average weight. Otherwise, pretty good overall.
I.E.3: best shape ever, pretty big though. Average weight.
DeathAdder: based on IE3 shape. It doesn't feel right in my hand. It also is heavy, which is annoying (to me).

Another good mouse is the WMO, Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a. It is extremely cheap, VERY light, and has the IE3 sensor. It is a favorite with tournament players. The downsides are that it doesn't have any side buttons, and the shape is not as good as some other mice. The new SteelSeries mice are based on this mouse, but those aren't out yet, and sadly the one with the side buttons (Xai) costs 80 euros! (grr)

I had the same dilemma as you, and couldn't decide which of the three mice to buy. Going to the shop and holding them in my hand helped a lot. Finally I got fed up with all of them and bought the WMO because it is light.

ps. Any recommendations for light mice with side buttons? The Xai sucks because it is 80euros and has an LCD on the bottom :[

deathadder.

More than game its important if you play with your wrist or arm.
I play with wrist and G9 is the only mouse currently in production that I accept (aside high mounted side buttons, and maybe feet shape). I had Dual before so I tried Ideazon Reaper Edge, but unimaginably stiff cord makes it impossible to use.
Anyway this also means I cant even track target properly with IE (which I consider a clunky junk) and similiar of arm oriented type.

So first check which style you use, search for shape fit to it, check if its comfortable enough, and thats it.

why the fuck doesitmatter just buy something