This video doesn't prove anything moron.

please provide demo times of legit players doing that first shot. oh wait you can't, youre just another clueless french fuck.

I don't have time to do that. Plus, it's useless.
You're just too paranoid :/

In fact the first shot seems to me legit :
When you come near the "windows" a good player would try to anticipate by placing his crosshair on the MH or RL.
Z4 is there and he seems to have shot a rocket, so he can be heard from walter's position.

as I thought, you got nothing.

You're obviously too dumb to give me a proper answer..

you're obviously too dumb to find a legit example of such a shot altho you claim they're usual. typical french

I can't be arsed to watch demos to give you what you want though i am sure it's not something rare...

you'd rather look like a total idiot without arguments. makes sense.

Why don't you explain me what's wrong in my reasoning there ?

stop trying to make excuses. find demo proof or shut up.

lol why don't you answer my question ?
You just don't have any relevant argument, so YOU shut up.

my answer is: "because it's unrelated to my video"
provide proof or shut up

lol...

by the time you spend arguing you could've watched a cypher demo. I'm sure there's ton of proof there. here let me help you: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1521165

yeah, he does exactly the same at 3:15, 7:00 and 11:30

who cypher?

yeah, cypher pov

weak troll attempt

why do i even bother...

I watched your times, there is NOTHING there. so yea, don't bother.

lulz

yay arguments.

lulz

Legit shot is in the video you posted.

people taking rail shots to mega through YA grate? Yeah, no-one EVER does that. EVER.

If he took the shot the first time he saw him, it may have been dodge. But he doesn't.

Oh and whats the point of the last clip?

If anything, this just makes walter look even more legit.
I really don't think walter hacks, he's just damn good on hub.

Has Clan519 hacked your account ?

You haven't played much hub, have you? Normal stuff to me.

locking people trough walls is normal to you?

80% of the stuff in the vid was nothing more than the enemy making sound

so you can track him pixel perfect trough that wall based on sound only?

ok so u found one instance of this....

not to mention the lg trough wall thing and him being position perfectly on enemy model after teleport. + another 20 ultra impressive frags all in the first 5 minutes of a single game. amazing

making that super slow mo is misleading... Watch it in real time and you'll see his intention is to turn, he just hit the corner.

haha

you do know that second tracking through the wall is 1 second of footage.... 1 fucking second

half of which his crosshair isn't on the model....

and the other two are done all the time, seriously what the hell is with last kill?

i hope this is trolling

your head ok?

I request a poll about tourist like the one on gillz !

Why bother, he will never enter a lan tournament anyways. No one actually thinks he is good just becasue of that. And everyone have already seen this. Why waste your time on him??

amusement

You sir, must have a very dull life! ;)

why?

That you find amusement in THIS:)

you're right, I could be timing items or clicking scvs instead.

You have a weird sense of humor.

I... I just HAVE to draw you.

*blushes*

"you're right, I could be timing items."

fixed

Yeah why

I believe in miracles.

You sexy baby.

*thing

Last one proves nothing cept even if he was using a wallhack he didnt see the guy at RL spawn before going through the tele, most likely he heard the spawn sound

how about the first one?

Well if you know someone maybe at mh you always face that wall when jumping down to the window, common sense surely, the lg one looks abit weird but i doubt it would with sound and normal speed

as I said to the frenchie above, you are welcome to find examples of legit players pixel-locking opponents trough the wall.

stop using the word pixel-locking:P

Besides, he doesn't exactly pixel lock lol.

the drop down from RA and trying to shaft through the wall does indeed look very wallhacky. Like it took him a few secs to realize the guy was behind the wall. Who would think like that without WH?

oh yea, he got careless there. must've forgotten that when you chase an opponent round an obstacle and his model is not visible you fire at the edge of the obstacle, not through it.

The first could just be coincidence.
The second one was the worst, since it screams suspicious.
The third is also a bit strange, could be insane luck and reflexes but could easily be a bot too.

could be but I don't think he bots, his crosshair is just always at an absolute perfect position and he's never surprised by anything. it's a jedi trait.

I think that he just wanted to deal as much damage as possible before the enemy runs away, so he just kept the button pressed and got stuck at the wall... these things happen

you wouldn't happen to have any examples of that good sir? why of course not.

hi, let me introduce you to the magic of slow motion. ;)

yeah I know a lot of things look weird in slow motion, especially that uber slow mo, but I have a hard time seeing someone doing that, even for a short second, especially on the enemy model. Not that I play vq3 or even care tho, but if any of them were suspicious, it was that one.

Well, I don't know maybe its because I watched a lot of rtcw demos im slowmo but hitting a wall for about half a second is quite normal for me...

Hell, it might even be he was trying to move forward and got stuck at the corner, can't say.

Anyway, I did reply because you said "a few seconds" while it's actually less than a second. ;)

tru, badly put by me, and the slowmo was very misleading.

yea that's me. all for special effects.

To me it kind of looked like he forgot to walk forward haha:D

nice music
a shaft kill with nearly 100% acc of the spawn will since cpma never be evidence for hacking

you missed the point

ok shit music

haha:P

you fucking idiot

:))))

First one can be legit actually. Not sure about 2nd one. It looked like wallhack to me. I see 3rd one all the time in qw. Just watch my demos ;-)

yea everybody sees everything all the time, it's just when I ask to provide examples I get this.

I agree with you he does cheat but 3rd example in your movie is not very convincing. You should find better examples and make a long movie.

Esr needs more drama.

put the 3rd one in there as an example of his crosshair always being on target, never corrected etc.

there was one game where fox accused him of cheating, some insane prediction plasma or something, if you cba to look for it we can recycle some drama. :)

Hi tourist.

Look this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3mDn0-qfuw

At Time : 03:26

Look very similar to your video at 0:33

yup same thing basically, only difference is the bot.

You know i am French

=)))))

I like the music in your "RAINMAN OF THE RAIL"'s video.

What is it exactly ?.

OH MY I CANT BELIEVE I GOT TRICKED LIKE THAT YOU DIRTY FRENCH FUCK
jefferson airplane

Thank !.

Btw : Believe me, i hate all french, and all French players : Strenx, L1nkin etc ...

: bubble.

Hi bubble, how are you mate

: ini.ru

You really expect people to review thousands of demos with r_shownormals 1? :(

thousands? why I thought this is all common stuff, it should be in any demo. no?

I don't think walter doesn't cheat, but watch the recent game between Spartie and Cypher on dm6 (don't remember first or second) around 2-4min mark Cypher jumps from rail and shoots a suspicious rail at the stairs which obviously hits Spartie.

Not every demo, but in a lot of them I'd say.

If you expect someone to go to ra, and you wanna hit him, where do you aim?
Exactly.

Walter predicted that rail like any good player would/should.

Zero4 was quite stupid to simply walk into that trap tho, not everyone would, hence you wouldn't see it in every demo.

oh yea, and walter manages 2 such wall accidents within 5 minutes, the teleport lock and 100 fantastic prediction rockets/rails all in that 5 minutes as well. why is this kid not world champ again?

Because he won't attend LANs.

I can understand why he doesn't...
All the drama around him, the pressure to perform must be HUGE.

Also, I'm not trying to defend walter really, he should be able to do that himself and I don't really know him.

But I am against 'busting' people based on .avi files with timescale 0.5 and shownormals....

well then, you must have a really reliable way of detecting wh you're not telling us about. oh yea, posting screenshots of your cheat.

posting screenshots of your cheat.

:DDDD

sombra has definitely proven that this works!

There are obvious signs that indicate someone is wallhacking, the video didn't show any.

Check somes cypher games or cooller games or others pro with r_shownormals 1, sometimes they don't know really where is the opponent.

:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716888

I have see many Walter demos, it is never the case.

Now there are 2 cases :

- Walter is cheating, wallhack (...)

or

- Walter is a total lamer, he can guess everything, so stop playing ! and use your power of divination for doing something smash.
Because it never happen for any others players to know everytimes where the opponent is.

: bubble.

BYW : yeah, my english sucks, at least i don't cheat with translator.

I watched the demo this vid is from a few days ago.

I can remember him turning a corner and lging the shit out of thin air for half a second. Guess his wh must have malfunctioned then...

People who just find what they look for and nothing else, sure make bad judges...

your judgement sure proved valid in the past.

except I don't have the arrogance to make a final judgement, I'm looking at the so-called evidence and consider it.

The biased arrogance, is your thing.

You want prove for that?
1.
You didn't bother to correct voodoochopsticks when he said "a few seconds" even though you knew it wasn't true. You jsut craved fro agreement, no matter how.
2.
You never once mentioned part of the demo where walter mispredicted.
3.
You never wondered if it's possible that walter got stuck on the corner in the 2nd scene. Objective analysis doesn't fit a fanatic, huh?
4.
You arranged your arguments in a way, that even if someone cared enough about your opinion to find a scene similar to the first one, you wouldn't accept you were wrong. You would just go to the next example and demand some should do the same there.


Therefore arguing with a person like you is completely pointless.

That's why noone really bothers to argue with you about the scenes in here...

oh no... I did it again

Remember when walter posted those videos of DKT "cheating," that was funny.





NOW FUCK OFF!

stop this bullshit already. walter is legit. he has proven it by posting a webcam video of himself beating a noob on dm6 in a cold and dark room. you could feel the tension.

hahaha, lock on target !

watch from 00:10 to 00:19 and tell me that's not an aimbot.

I can tell you thats no aimbot, anything else?

so what 'bug' makes your crosshair lock to a target through a wall ? please explain !

Never in the first clip is it locking on his opponent.

ignorance is bliss

Go outside.

you have no idea how right you are.
twice.

of course, pixel point precision is an obvious cpma vq3 bug, my bad.

actually it is, in cases like this ;)

Also I don't know if you are playing with a 15x20 resolution, but if not your definition of pixel precise, looks more like "in that general area" - precise...


Did you notice that not even tourist claims it's an aimbot?

it looks exactly the same as that demo of kgb vs chance with kgb mg chance by the ya on dm6.

well if it's not an aimbot it sure is weird how the crosshair tracks him through the wall with him not seeing the target... at least he shouldn't be seeing the target.

if it's a bug, fine, but supply a lan demo then of a known player doing the exact same thing please.

yes it does looks a little similar, because it's the same demo bug... Actually I don'T think it looks the same, because given that this is slowmo the crosshair moves all over the place and wouldn't have hit more than say 30% without the wall.

I think I'm gonna leave the explaining why it's not an aimbot to tourist, should be epic :P
Just keep in mind the experienced players can guess the normal escape route on a map they play a lot...

And no I will not start looking through demos, because you are seeing things. You are the one saying it happens nowhere else. If you are so keen to find out then watch 15 demos yourself, and if you find nothing suspicious there you can post the names here. Then maybe someone will make the same effort to prove you wrong.

after watching hundreds of hours of quake 3 demos I should have known about this bug, guess I was wrong.

so you're saying he activates his aimbot while he can't see z4 and is looking at him thru the wall, then deactivates it (0.05 seconds later) to take the shot?

ps the demo 'bug' he is referring to is just the smoothing effect you get when watching crappy demo's, due to interpolation. This is a POV demo and it's not relevant (though the mouse movements still look over-smooth due to the uber slowmo)

"so you're saying he activates his aimbot while he can't see z4 and is looking at him thru the wall, then deactivates it (0.05 seconds later) to take the shot?"

like it's impossible to program a bot/hack to activate/deactivate the lock on target for just a few milliseconds at a time.

anyways, walter will be cleared of all charges at quakecon... if he shows up this year that is.

as life progresses, more and more i feel that i should have been an exorcist :(

but supply a lan demo then of a known player doing the exact same thing please.

So lame... it's quite simply, walter was simply aiming towards rl/mega, where zero4 was probably going (well duh he needs rl + mega).
As walter is moving to the left he corrects for that by shifting his view to the right.

Nothing weird there?
It's hard to find another demo where this happens because the situation doesn't occur that often where playings move exactly like that, it would be like trying to find the exact same flick rail in 2 different demos by 2 different players.

Besides, it would look different with other players anyway.
For example cypher moves his view a bit twitchy, same goes for unkind and some others.

I was talking about tracking the target through a wall, like i pointed out several times.

but I was assured that that's a normal bug. never mind.

So was I.

If 2 players are facing eachother and strafing in the same direction you'd have 'perfect tracking'.

This can occur with a wall inbetween as well, I'm 100% sure it happened sometime in a match.

Tho walter simply had his crosshair fixated on the rl, he wasn't tracking on zero4 on purpose...

excuse me sir. but predicting is a form of cheating don't you know?

It's not an aimbot.

It's not 'locking on target'.

where did I say it's an aimbot?

hahaha.

it showed as a reply to my post. oh no becks has finally beat me!

i'm actually positively suprisedi. It's the first time you had the courage to admit a mistake, even if it's with you usual manner.
Maybe not all hope is lost.

I'm a reasonable person, I will admit my mistakes. it's just I haven't made any thus far.

:D

Was a reply to http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1719122#pid1719122

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oh hi there world champ.

Play lans and stfu.

HAHA

guys, wtf, dont you know that walter is a champion of the world?)))

ps. in blowjob

hahahaha a )))))

i can see why people get suspicious on the second but with a little bit of thinking they would realise it's like 1/3 of a second and the whole thing is just over a second long

as for the first and second kills, just leads me to believe tourist is being jamerio

you don't see anything suspicious with that first shot, at all?

no

again, it's just a second of in-game footage... he's not tracking the model he's just aligning his shot up to the mega which people do during 101 situations across the maps

ztn pilar/ra battles
dm6 ya/ra battles
dm13 rl bridge / lower ya etc..

shownormals is a silly way of looking at someone like walter because he does so much which can't be achieved solely through cheats. watch walter than watch yuka and notice the difference....

and of course time scaling just turns 1 second of footage into 10 seconds to make it look 50 times worse, I bet in-game that first 'hack' does not even bat an eyelid

and then, just watch a demo of a top player with shownormals, if you don't find anything suspicious then it's because you want to find something when watching walter

"someone like walter because he does so much which can't be achieved solely through cheats."

so what are you saying, he can move and aim which means he can't use wh? sombra could move and aim too.

also that first shot, just happens to lock the enemy model by accident then?

it isn't a lock, it's like HALF A SECOND

he isn't moving his mouse he's just strafing left as well

just like every player does in a number of situations, seen constantly at spawns, choke points and basic map lines, thank the vq3 movement for that

he isn't locked, he's off the model, on it for like .2 of a second then corrects himself when he sees him through the first gap, REAL PROOF SIR

i fail to grasp how it is not obvious that this shit is bound to happen all the time on parrallel hallways when theres peakshots+strafing and shit yo

basically ye

it seems logical, it's just that I've never seen it before. if you got an example of it by all means, do share.

I'm guessing that most people replying to your thing rely on common sense and call bullshit. And when you ask for teh proofz nobody can't be arsed to look for it, because it's too logical. And this fuels your argument because you can say nobody proved you wrong.
repeat forever.

logic..happens all the time.. blah blah.. even walter couldn't find any model lock like that and he looked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0613W-tpK68

download the relevant demos, slow it down as much as you did he and voila

most of that was with fucking tft as well

vid 1) nothing
vid 2) odd
vid 3) nice shaft. A wall hack wouldn't have really helped that kill anyway?

A good player who is using cheats is going to be hard to spot. No-one picked up that sombra was cheating from his demos, even looking back people have difficulty.

Also, I think this was not long after z4's comeback and according to reports most top us players were beating him easily. A few months after he had improved heaps, especially on hub.

Sif, Guard knows who cheats even before he cheats.

only when talking about his many girlfriends!

This thread is really boring though.

On another topic, didnt walter mock those who believed his "choke thread" and later changed it to him and rapha deciding together that rapha should represent THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH and thus walter had no reason to finish his game against kgsomething.

can't remember it for certain, but something like that, yeah.

Not that I care if some american cheats or not, but whats the point of using it in his defence then. To me that situation hardly made him look more legit.

First of all, I didn't really plan on defending him, since I'm not 100% sure he didn't cheat myself.

The thing was that some people just look at a fact from one side, only trying to use it as proof that he cheats. At which point I tried to tell them, that there can be other explanations and that one should consider those, too.

Ahh yes... and he has indisputable proof...which he can't show or describe for unknown reasons :)

can you make some slo mo movies of me too so I can look like a leet haxer?

only if you start writing it 1337 h4><0r

not leet enuff

:(

god i hope this is a troll attempt 8)

It isn't. tourist is officially as dumb as nomadic, clan519, gillz, per1klez...

fox, fazz, guard, chance..

as seen by their massive contributions to your threads.

this thread is for believers.

You mean people seeing things?

yup, it's for you.

hmm I haven't decided either way.
You on the other hand seem to be seeing all kind of things, as documented.

oh, shit. you got guard on your side. the man with TEH 100% PROOFS HE DOESNT SHOW TO ANYBODY?

it's good you got strong names on the opposing team like kaloos and becks.

but c'mon ... guard.

my favorite esr user, right after alchemist.

ohhhh, ok.

and again you see what you want to see.

What else is new?

I would like the good players(fox, fazz and chance) to explain us what proofs there are in your video then.

chance I can tell from one rail? guy is an idiot

everyone just wanks over fox, because he's good doesn't mean he's right

lol @ the slow-mo .. if you slow the shit down to nanoseconds youll get locking and tracking for 10s straight in every footage..
basically what #137 said

you might get this kind of "locking". see if you can notice the difference.

also lmao@youtube rating

bump

HEHE

re-bump

does he cheat at lan?

I guess he is either a talented quaker or the most talented cheater in the whole world.

either way he has some skills :P

he most certainly isn't as impressive as online. like half the skill level. He might brag about shooting a 60 rail on ctf2, but that is what most people do anyways on that map.