first two voting for t7, omg
not only does it play better than t6, it also is the only new map, hope this is no indicator for the end result :(

oh well nevermind..

replace t7 (Y)

replace t6, other maps are okay.

Replace dm13.

edit: and add t9 for t6

dm13 is awesome. but i do agree that tourney9 shud replace something :P not t6 tho.

in ql dm13 is shitty cos its downsized so much, pro-nodm9 of q3 is awesome though.

qzdm13 isn't downsized. It was created straight from q3dm13. We then widen some hallways (hall near mega), opened up some doorways (ala what nodm9 does), slatted the bridge (nodm9 inspiration), and took elements of dm13, nodm9 and prodm13 for the item layout.

I'm not saying you have to like the map, or agree on its item placement, but it is in no way 'downsized' from the original.

i meant that its downsized in comparison to pro-nodm9, maybe you should look at which maps were being used in competition and realize that you can't just edit the originals a little bit and that be ok. but i guess you also stuffed unlagged code and made the shotgun stupidly overpowered too, so i shouldn't expect so much out of a game designed for noobs.

im not an amazing player, but i liked it when games were about emphasising the difference of skill between players. ive finally given up on ql, i only hope there may be a good quake game in the future.

replace t6. i'd rather play dm17 than that pos!

Replace t6 with a brand new map.

Keep new maps (T6, T7) replace old maps (Dm13, DM6)

well t6 isnt new at all. it just wasnt played for duel in the last years of q3 cause it sucks. keep it for 2on2 but otherwise let it die

replace dm13/t6 with t9 and ztn...if t9 is a no go then replace dm13 with ztn because dm13 plays so fucking bad in QL, even worse than t6 imo
edit: best maps in QL are now t9 and ztn...

This is exactly the reason we need new maps. We're dealing with a brand new game for thousands of players, and we're just going back to the old map pool.

Keep ZTN, keep t4, t6, t7, and either DM13 or DM6.

i guess that's how it's going to be, and it's going to be the reason QL fails.

You're telling us all of it is failing because we keep old maps, then tell us to keep all but one old map, and just add another.

What? How is that progress?

In my opinion: I haven't played T9, but some people have said it's bad and I guess they simply compared it to the old maps, without giving it proper testing time.

My idea: keep ztn, dm13(New lay-out pretty much changes it completely), keep T7.
Remove DM6, T4 and T6 from the duel mappool, and add new maps like perhaps T9.

Again, I'm not up to date on the whole T9 thing but it doesn't seem like anyone gave it a real chance.

If it doesn't work the mappool can allways be altered.

But, why keep ZTN?
Because it's still one of the best maps around, if not the best, tho ofcourse I'm not sure yet how it'd work out in QL, there should be new stuff even after 9 years.

I agree, keep ZTN, but in regards to T9, I think it's a bad map. I think that some tournament organizers god desperate for new content, so instead of waiting for good new maps, they just used leftovers of what we had, and picked T9. I personally think it's a bad map, and only has attention because one small online tournament used it.

T6 and T7 are good maps, maybe not as good as the other ones, but we need new maps. The reason I'm happy for ZTN, is because it can replace an even worse map (like DM6) and keep the map pool decent.

DM6 is overplayed, and extremely bad for competitive play. It's too old, and once someone gets control and can keep it, it's over (where as the likely hood of someone coming back on any other map is much higher).

I do want new maps, but it's going to be a while before we can get a FULL and GOOD map pool of NEW maps. Until then, we're going to have to mix it up.

Also, we need new maps with a fresh look too. We're all tired of this boring dungeon/graveyard style. Personally, I think it wouldn't hurt to make the maps look like Q4 maps, a more sharper futuristic look to it. Some examples are here.

http://brushhour.org/maps/

Again, I haven't played T9 myself.

I didn't include dm6 in my list of maps to keep:)

T6 is quite old, and really bad (rail decides match).

I'm not a big fan of the futuristic look... but a change of scenery couldn't hurt:) should be more like placebo tho, not the t4 kind of futuristic.

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Imo T4 and T6 are really bad.

I really hate the railmaps:P

t9 is a lot of fun to play imo...though it gets kind of one sided at times

T6 has much better map flow than DM13 or T9 (both of these maps are flawed in one way or another).

just.. what? no.
I don't need to elaborate, t6 is shit as a 1v1 map on a high level end of story.

Don't even think about removing dm13! It was the best map in the ql pool till now (even tho it was already worse than the original dm13).

maybe if it was upsized it would be playable..

I don't understand the changes :(

I think adding the PG was good but the rest of the changes just make no sense to me.

replace dm6.. map is bad and overplayed :/

imho it plays better than it did in q3
and its just agreat map, even the new players love it

it is just so hard to break control on dm6 :(

grab YA, Grab RL, suicidal rocket attack, rinse repeat until you get lucky. only way

replace t6 and t7 with ztn and t9

I voted to replace t6 with ztn. I would love to see the oldies being replaced in the long run but the new maps just aren't that good.

Don't replace t6 / t7. Don't include ztn. Remove t4.

please stop spamming your crap ideas....

If you are not happy, just go back to q2. T6 is obviously a shit, you just like it because you are a damiah & co fanboy

We heard you.

A damiah fanboy? Rofl this must be a joke. I got raped Damiah plenty of times in Q2. ( http://q2scene.net/ds/index.php?op=dd1&id=1169335204 )

T6 is really great duel map and if you check QL duel servers. Every second or third duel server have people on T6 playing duels.

rly?
right now it looks like its 80% ztn :P

edit: even better, i just filtered for duel and all locations, and not even a single tourney6 to be seen :P

t6 should only be used for what it's good for, and thats a 2v2 tdm map.

Same with dm6 :P

Are you stalking me? :D

qztourney7 -> ztn

Problem solved. I voted "just add" anyways because I don't really care.

If you don't care don't vote, way to mess with the results:(

I voted for McCain, just to see what would happen.

McCain... delicious brand of french fries.

No, the other bag of grease.

Replace T4 and T6 with ZTN and T9.

replice old maps... t6 is good map

Surprising, a polish railwhore.

Remove DM13

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And real new maps

remove all maps

What is the point of having a fixed size map pool when what one craves is gameplay diversity?

t6 is nice wtf :/

t7 is dumb btw :/

T6 sucks for duel...

The map pool will probably be ztn, dm13, t4, t7 and dm6. And there it is: One map away from being classic quake 3. What fun.

no idea why it's necessary to have a 5map pool. you're all idiots.

I wouldnt really mind a 7 map map pool, its just that t6 is so fucking bad for 1on1 and it was only included initially because 5 is something of a minimum.

i dont understand why T6 is a bad map? can someone elaborate please?

to me T6 presents a very interesting game flow, and it is much less +backy than T7, T9, DM13, ZTN, and DM6.

probably the most balanced map considering the game dynamics that QL can offer. maybe in Q3 it wasn't good, but in QL it is much better than most of the maps and is much less spawn-dominated.

the map is all about sniping your opponent from the other side of the map and the lack of ra and 2 min mh only make it worse cause they seldom force any direct confrontation. also the map doesnt flow movement wise

All rail.

Its a map of sniping and its very easy to maintain control. Theres very little fighting going on even for 1on1.

Its biggest problem is probably how very easy it is to maintain control once youve got it, personally I prefer maps where you have to fight to maintain control, not just run around in circles.

It's bad because it basically relies on hitting rails from a very far distance and running on a bugged out netcode, with no cool sneak attacks where you can rush stacked with an RA or something. t7 is +back? lol...

t9 is a pretty fun fast paced map, should replace some super old map imo. Ca2 is fun and intense for duel as well

I don't think T9 is a good map for the competitive environment of tournaments, it's just too simple a design to really push the players.

Fine for publics though and was one of the better Dreamcast maps.

As for T6, I'm sure it could be changed to work. id already changed the layout from the Q3 version (Which worked better anyway).

ca2 is a fun and intense map?

i played rapha on it and the game ended 3-2.

it was by far the most boring map and game i've played... EVER. i think the feeling was mutual.

Maybe that has to do with your guys' play styles? :)

I've played the map at least a dozen times vs chance and the total score is always above 15

u guys got bad defense or somthin then

lawlwal :P

on a serious note, naw man, CA2 is way too large, and has bad lighting on vertex... sooo no :p

t6, t7, t9, dm6, ztn, t4, dm13 all great maps. CA2 is a clan arena map, not for d00l.

play it more

ps ztn often ends with similar scores yet is the best map out so far

whatever you do don`t remove t7. the best map and so fresh in the existing mappool.
Add ZTN , if you have to remove anything ,remove dm13. It sucks as it is.

DM13 > DM6

They both suck, but those rail whores gotta deal.

t6 is shit and doesnt belong in a tournament map pool

removing t7 would be prettty stupid ..its the only pretty good NEW map.remove it after every old one is removed...however remove t4 and t6 for ztn and t9

QuakeLive needs completely new maps for duel. It's ridiculous that the same maps are still being used.

agreed...t7 and t9 are the only two maps i'd like to see in the current pool along with 3+ new maps

remove rail at t7 maybe a idea :)

I think esr need to put forward a council which can advice ID on behalf of the community.

This council should consist of our top tier players (fox, jibo, etc) and Jamerio, Vedic, Aaron, Ix, Vorpal and the guy with the rainbow avatar desperatly trying to prove KGB is cheating.

They should put forward the opinion of the communty concerning:

-maps: new/old, weapon placement, weapon removing, respawn times, adding/removing armors etc
-weapon balance
-best gametype
-mod options
-something i forgot to mention

Their internal discusions are ofcourse posted here on esr for our viewing pleasure :) Looking forward at their attempts of agreeing with eachother!

You should pick some guys who actually argue then.

Say Vedic, Tourist and Becks.

thanks for the confidence, but I am neither good e nor active enough to form a well-founded opinion of specific gameplay decisions.

I could be as the voice of the newbies though :P

Jonesy, too.

Seven-map mappool!