ESR - Walter -vs- Vorpal

<< Comment #1 @ 22:45 CST, 22 November 2008 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 13:13 CST, 20 January 2009

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<< Comment #2 @ 22:54 CST, 22 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #1

is walter the new cpm champion of north america?
our light in the darkness?
our toast in the morning?
I NEED ANSWERS

<< Comment #7 @ 06:45 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #2

I could tell from one vote that he is un-american

<< Comment #32 @ 17:25 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #7

omg
r u 4 reelz

<< Comment #13 @ 09:25 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #1

what were your scores vs vampire and griffen

<< Comment #14 @ 09:49 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #13

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Edited by walter at 13:13 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #16 @ 10:11 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #14

k thanks

<< Comment #3 @ 04:34 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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reyu

I thought you've quited q3.

<< Comment #4 @ 04:39 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Raist - Reply to #3

Quitting is part of his monthly routine.

<< Comment #5 @ 04:54 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #4

i quit smoking once
actually
many times
i quit about once an hour

<< Comment #15 @ 10:06 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Raist - Reply to #5

I thought Reyu meant Walter there tbh.

Only seen you quit once :D

<< Comment #33 @ 17:28 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #15

nawwww
i have a cig, quit
hour later, i start again, then quit again
vicious cycle, this is

<< Comment #35 @ 18:12 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Raist - Reply to #33

Smoking sucks, although I smoke like a chimney too :(

<< Comment #37 @ 19:06 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #35

>_>
<_<

<< Comment #120 @ 10:04 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #33

u are a consistent one zon ov a ...

<< Comment #139 @ 15:32 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #120

hey
at least i'm consistent

<< Comment #233 @ 18:10 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #139

talking about consistency-time to abuse some qlive again

<< Comment #234 @ 18:34 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #233

:<

<< Comment #235 @ 05:23 CST, 30 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #234

I was talking about me :)

<< Comment #236 @ 05:26 CST, 30 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #235

heh
that's what SHE said!

<< Comment #237 @ 05:48 CST, 30 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #236

yeah, she a very nasty zdaughter ov a...(if she say smth like this, well u know the word then, never trust a wo....man, look how time flies, gotta go)

ps: talking about consistency, let's see what nicky have to say, about my 4 times a day proposal http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1639311#pid1639311
:P

<< Comment #8 @ 07:22 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #3

its cpm

<< Comment #18 @ 10:54 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #3

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Edited by walter at 13:14 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #20 @ 11:12 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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reyu - Reply to #18

what do you mean by saying when? that you didn't say you've quited?

<< Comment #21 @ 11:17 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #20

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Edited by walter at 13:14 CST, 20 January 2009

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<< Comment #52 @ 02:29 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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reyu - Reply to #21

nah if I'm not mistaken I've saw you wrote something like "I don't play anymore" earlier.

<< Comment #6 @ 04:58 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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skint

demos of walter vs vampire anywhere?

<< Comment #51 @ 01:24 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #6

F1

<< Comment #63 @ 10:06 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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koekie - Reply to #6

Here you go!

Edited by koekie at 10:06 CST, 24 November 2008

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<< Comment #9 @ 07:41 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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link

is this vq3 or cpm?

<< Comment #10 @ 08:00 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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shlaeNg - Reply to #9

TOURNEYCPM NA 1v1

Hmmm.

<< Comment #11 @ 08:05 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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link - Reply to #10

ahhh lol :)

<< Comment #56 @ 07:23 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #11

@u

<< Comment #65 @ 11:19 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #11

link is somewhere else... please leave a message.

<< Comment #80 @ 20:06 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #65

YOU ARE ON EVER ON IRC WHEN I AM ON IRC
WTF

<< Comment #12 @ 09:02 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 13:14 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #17 @ 10:41 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #12

grats , you are da man , sorry!

<< Comment #19 @ 11:06 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #12

hahaha! word. Call 'em out!

<< Comment #22 @ 11:25 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 13:14 CST, 20 January 2009

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<< Comment #29 @ 15:45 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #22

Awesome spawncode.

<< Comment #68 @ 13:12 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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.syL - Reply to #29

Yes, because the spawn code forced him to jump towards his attacker 4 times in a row

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<< Comment #115 @ 08:23 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #68

Its still retarded spawn code. A rail or plasma blast/rail combo would see even the smartest opponent dead.

Especially in that spot as if the attacker faces upper corridors they know if the opponent spawns behind they will more than likely have the weapon advantage to kill a fresh opponent.~That's Why walter kept spamming it and he probably would have dropped down to MH if he did not spawn there or behind.

Edited by Jamerio at 08:33 CST, 25 November 2008

<< Comment #224 @ 15:46 CST, 28 November 2008 >>

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Anonymous (e179151162.adsl.alicedsl.de) - Reply to #22

whats the maps name in this cap?

<< Comment #23 @ 11:30 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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supersexyleetmegaruler

poor BYE
that guy never amounts to anything :(

<< Comment #24 @ 12:30 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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tourist

oooh a walter demo. I'm sooo going to watch this...

<< Comment #25 @ 13:36 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Raist

This demo thread has a serious lack of Vorpal comments.

<< Comment #26 @ 14:42 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Bluder

wasn't Varpal the dude who claimed he was #1 CPM player in NA and possible the world?

<< Comment #27 @ 14:49 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #26

Seems like every NA quake player has a side career of bullshit artistry :D

Case in point : The "Moving to Europe" thread :D

<< Comment #28 @ 14:53 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #26

Vorpal is a troll, nothing more. Although I'll admit he has an insane rail.

<< Comment #40 @ 19:28 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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ashr - Reply to #28

you beat the guy who beat gellehsak? your skill level must have gone up by a long way then in the last 2 years cuz i just found an old demo of me beating you on CPM15 :P and we're both really terrible in that game haha...

unless that was someone fakenicking as you. "LoGrade" iirc. from around late 2006-2007.

<< Comment #42 @ 20:19 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #40

AHAHAH! I've gotten better, but actually Gellehsak was a no-show. He had work and I guess didn't count on the tourney starting at what time it did. =(

EDIT: And yep! That's me! LoGrade. LOL, I remember that game, too!

Edited by lolograde at 20:25 CST, 23 November 2008

<< Comment #45 @ 20:37 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #40

Also, ETA on CPMA done by Vo0 To0?

<< Comment #53 @ 03:33 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #45

It'd better be yesterday!

<< Comment #72 @ 16:02 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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ashr - Reply to #45

17 minutes.

<< Comment #30 @ 15:49 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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stunt.us

i love when trolls get beat and then remain quiet.

guy vorpal played 24/7 from what I saw a few months back and never stfu'd about being the most amazing player ever.

<< Comment #43 @ 20:31 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #30

ahaha, vorpal will never learn though. I've seen him lose game after game and says, "I don't recollect losing any games." I think it's easier to deal with Vorpal if you just picture him as being the real life version of Master Shake from Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

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<< Comment #48 @ 22:34 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #43

ROFL +

<< Comment #31 @ 16:35 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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oreozz

A good source tells me that you have two sidebyside fatal1ty pads as your mousepad

if this is true you are weird

<< Comment #34 @ 17:58 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #31

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Edited by walter at 13:15 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #38 @ 19:15 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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oreozz - Reply to #34

wahh

<< Comment #238 @ 01:35 CST, 2 December 2008 >>

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lolcpma - Reply to #31

lol..

<< Comment #36 @ 18:43 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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[mash]

nodm19 demos would be nice.

<< Comment #39 @ 19:27 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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tourist

I love walter. He never hesitates, never stops, never listens, it's like finger of god, he just knows things. less hesitation than Chuck Norris. why is he not world champ already?

<< Comment #41 @ 20:09 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #39

doesnt go to lans :<

<< Comment #46 @ 21:40 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #39

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Edited by walter at 13:15 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #54 @ 03:42 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #46

you cheat son. and so blatantly I laugh every time I watch your demo. happy?

and nigga plz, don't talk about balls :)

Edited by tourist at 03:43 CST, 24 November 2008

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outlaw - Reply to #54

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Edited by walter at 13:15 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #58 @ 08:07 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #57

who gives a fuck? I only know you cheat in cpma. and it's not like any quake games are really hard to cheat online. what was your argument again?

Edited by tourist at 08:11 CST, 24 November 2008

<< Comment #59 @ 08:15 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #58

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Edited by walter at 13:15 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #60 @ 08:19 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #59

damn you got me. I read the question wrong: Thought you wrote do YOU THINK I cheat in all other games?

And the answer is Yes. I do. What was your argument again?

<< Comment #61 @ 08:22 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #60

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Edited by walter at 13:15 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #62 @ 08:34 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #61

haven't taken your meds today?

<< Comment #66 @ 12:24 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #59

Walter playing road Racer on the NES.

Walter beats Fatal1ty to win the Video Game Armageddon
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9UWFSkJl4

Walter playing Ridge racer on the playstation

Walter playing super turbo

Walter's troubled past

Edited by Jamerio at 10:29 CST, 25 November 2008

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<< Comment #67 @ 12:44 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #66

Holy Crap! It's Bastion, from Never Ending Story !

<< Comment #69 @ 15:04 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #67

Bastian you illerate American :<

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f0cus - Reply to #69

Bastian you illiterate American :<

Cute. Real cute.

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<< Comment #76 @ 16:58 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #73

Snigger.

<< Comment #95 @ 03:31 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #73

damn it.

But I still bet you didn't read the book.

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f0cus - Reply to #95

Haven't finished it, but I have it.

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becks - Reply to #107

and does it say "Bastion"?

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f0cus - Reply to #108

nope

<< Comment #116 @ 08:26 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #113

k, then let's call both typos and be done with it :)

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f0cus - Reply to #116

Fine by me, I was just enjoying a moment of nostalgia when I saw that kid who starred in one of my all time favorite movies. You're the one hopping in correcting my spelling. :P

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becks - Reply to #118

only because I didn't think it was a spelling mistake.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #116

A typo is term given to a geniune typing error which is directly related to the users grasp (or lack of) of typing proficiency rather than a mistake they made from lack of knowledge.

You are not guilty of a typo, you simply did not know.

Secondly, the dude made a spelling error on a name of a fictitional character from a film/book, you made far bigger one on a real everyday word which was especially noted due to you tryigng (that's a typo) to be a dick with it and spelling it wrong. Badly wrong.

The power afforded to me by the internet tubes finds you guilty of coming off worse because nobody cared if bastio/an was spelt wrong, but because you made a big deal of it, you came off worse.
Combined that with the fact that you're borrowing from 20th century ideals that if you somehow watch a film over reading a book it is suitable grounds for attacking someone's intellectual ability and you definitely came off worse.

Jamerio (R) Educating the tubes since 2002.

Edited by Jamerio at 11:08 CST, 25 November 2008

<< Comment #125 @ 11:29 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #124

if you only see a movie instead of reading the book you might guess the spelling of a name and thus be wrong.

on the other hand I did know how illiterate is written.
after all words from that family exist in many languagues and all contain the "literat"-part.

so you might wanna change your signature to

Jamerio (R) making assumptions since 2002.

<< Comment #127 @ 11:41 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #125

also, are you maybe butthurt because I corrected your grammar? ;P

<< Comment #79 @ 19:52 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #66

man i loved that film

:D

<< Comment #81 @ 20:08 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #79

i have it on dvd
come over and watch it!

<< Comment #161 @ 02:42 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #66

That ridge racer is $$$
Go Walter!! 111 =]

<< Comment #204 @ 18:17 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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skint - Reply to #66

man the ridge racer tracks are so amazing!

rotterdam nation $$$$$$$$$$$$$

<< Comment #210 @ 02:43 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #57

NOT DEFRAG CUZ U SUCK IN THAT.

<< Comment #44 @ 20:31 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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Anonymous (empty.stbur.ru)

hmm when we will see walter on lan... vs rapha (40:-5 on hub)

<< Comment #50 @ 00:16 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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rapha - Reply to #44

ehhhhhh now don't bring me into this ;P

<< Comment #191 @ 12:45 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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marcus - Reply to #44

dude it's 80 to -5 not 40! get it right

Edited by marcus at 12:45 CST, 26 November 2008

<< Comment #47 @ 22:19 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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erok

nice you fuckin own my brotha. shut that stupid vorpal faggot up, his trolling so so weak.

<< Comment #91 @ 02:22 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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Raist - Reply to #47

Spoken like a true rapper there Erik :D

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erok - Reply to #91

hahah you know how i roll isk da pimp masta!

<< Comment #49 @ 22:38 CST, 23 November 2008 >>

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butcher_kgp '

must suck to be part of NA cpm community, each time there is a tourney some guy who plays only vq3 / QL bar 7 days before tourney, takes it. Do something !!!!

<< Comment #55 @ 06:56 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #49

Imo, the tourney would've been a bit more competitive with traditional map-pool. No one really plays cpm15 and especially nodm19. But this was still interesting nonetheless.

<< Comment #88 @ 22:56 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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vamp1re - Reply to #49

i had the worst ping in the world during this tournament, not to say I would have won, but the odds were stacked against me, especially with such a lop sided map pool. It was fun regardless because I like a challenge, but it would have been much more fun with fair pings.

Not to mention gellehsak ended up missing the tournament and on top of that 75% of our best players haven't played in 2 years.

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tourist - Reply to #88

mmmm vampire wine.

<< Comment #99 @ 06:57 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #92

You can't deny the map-pool was =[

<< Comment #102 @ 07:04 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #99

I don't play cpm so have no clue which maps are good. I was just commenting on the quality of wine.

<< Comment #181 @ 06:47 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #102

Looked like stating facts to me. I'm surprised he even played his matches.. his ping was spiking 30 to 120 or something. Looked unplayable to me, but he still played.

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outlaw - Reply to #181

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Edited by walter at 13:16 CST, 20 January 2009

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vamp1re - Reply to #188

Indeed, that's why i said "not to say I would have won." Because frankly, I'm not certain of that and it was clear that it was effecting both of us.

<< Comment #182 @ 08:34 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #102

lolograde - blah blah blah, yes this is some of the best whine I've tasted in years!

<< Comment #64 @ 10:47 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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supersexyleetmegaruler

you are hereby granted the sombra award of discreet bot use. congratulations and THANK YOU!

<< Comment #70 @ 15:15 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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Lovey

what the fuck..........................................
what a suprise.....................................
don't see a vorpal comment.............................
probably because he lost...........................................
he only comments demos he wins..................................
lol....................................

<< Comment #71 @ 15:55 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco

Go Walter!

Looks like people are realizing how stupid it is to assume/accuse Walter of hacking.

=D

<< Comment #74 @ 16:07 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #71

what makes you think he's not hacking?

<< Comment #75 @ 16:15 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #74

No direct evidence to show it.

Might as well go prove aliens exist, or some other government conspiracy.

Assumptions lacking evidence proves ignorance.

<< Comment #77 @ 18:22 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #75

"No direct evidence to show it."

"Assumptions lacking evidence proves ignorance."

no offense but that's kinda self-owned :d

<< Comment #78 @ 19:12 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #77

How so?

Guilty until proven innocent. If there's no evidence showing he's hacked, then he's innocent. I can walk up to you and call you a faggot, but if I have no evidence to prove it, how can it be true?

<< Comment #82 @ 20:09 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #77

he's canadian
go easy on him
unless he keeps up with it
then we'll had to bring out the Celine-Dion-Card
wins every time!

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<< Comment #84 @ 21:22 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #82

;-)))))

<< Comment #85 @ 21:32 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #84

:>

<< Comment #226 @ 05:25 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #82

I'll see your Celine and raise you an Oprah.

<< Comment #230 @ 16:13 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #226

........fuck
at least we don't have milk in bags!

<< Comment #86 @ 21:59 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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LukKe - Reply to #75

well..i have the same opinion..it's hard for me to believe there's just this one guy (pretty heavily exposed to public, at least recently) who maintains above decent skill in cpm/vq3/what not for such a long time supposedly by hacking all the way through but yet with no convincing evidence..no to mention it has to be pretty tedious and hard to disguise the obvious hacks with that amount of games ;p
all i saw this tourney anyway..when speccing on gtv.. was just slightly better play from walter and nothing really amazing

oh..and the mappool sucked indeed but a bit less then the eu one :p

<< Comment #93 @ 03:22 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #86

not hard at all.. just don't look at the direction of the guy you see trough the wall. you're free to shoot him the milisecond you peek the corner apparently, since noone on the internets will notice it anyway.

<< Comment #122 @ 10:09 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #93

practice practice practice
:D

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raithza - Reply to #74

Mostly because of his high level of movement and tactical skill, and the fact that he's wrong about prediction alot.

Either he's legit and super skilled or he's super skilled at never giving away his cheating.

<< Comment #94 @ 03:22 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #89

he's a good player(but not top tier) who uses wallhack. simple as that.

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<< Comment #97 @ 06:03 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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raithza - Reply to #94

prove it

<< Comment #98 @ 06:32 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #97

he doesn't need to.
he's tourist.
he just knows stuff.

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tourist - Reply to #98

yes I know stuff.

watch this demo with r_shownormals. see how he always prepares the shot before he peeks the corner, he never corrects his shot after he actually sees the enemy, because he's always right on the button beforehand.

there's also an insane prediction rocket from rl ledge, before he even sees the enemy(of course he sees him well and good trough the wall). Notice how he has enemy model always on the screen view when there's a rail duel (peeking around corners etc). he's careful to never point his crosshair directly at the enemy model, he deliberately points away from it, even when he normally souldn't, like when railing from rl to the ga he should normally look down at the ga but he doesn't. ..

also watch that demo where he destroys z4 like 40-0 on aero, you have TONS of similar crap there, like shooting a milisecond the guy peeks out, EVERY TIME, shooting before the enemy becomes visible (but of course totally on target) stupid plasma predict where he hits like 5 consecutive plasma shots with 0 enemy model visibilty... I could go on and on. If you really keep pestering me I might even make a little movie about my favorite player. :)

<< Comment #103 @ 07:11 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #101

pls do :D

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Jamerio : - Reply to #101

Using hub as your example is deeply flawed because you always know where the opponent is for about 90+% of the play time.

So you can play the game "blind" to a certain extent, in other words you can think/prepare further ahead than what you would be able to on a map where is a lower chance of pin poitning your opponent before visual and sound aids.

It's like phrantic, there are so few variables.

Edited by Jamerio at 07:49 CST, 25 November 2008

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tourist - Reply to #104

sure, you know his map position most of the time. what you don't know is the exact pixel position of his model, hence you have to adjust your aim when you actually spot him. unless you're walter of course.

<< Comment #110 @ 08:10 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #106

"never point his crosshair directly at the enemy model, he deliberately points away from it,"

"hence you have to adjust your aim when you actually spot him. unless you're walter of course. "

hmmmm.

Dunno if you're right or wrong but imo this is trying too hard.

<< Comment #111 @ 08:12 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #110

why? it's pretty obvious when you watch the demos.

<< Comment #117 @ 08:26 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #111

well either you point at him or you point away. And then you have to adjust your crosshair.

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tourist - Reply to #117

you don' get it. he points away from him when he's spectating the guy trough the wall, he doesn't want to track the guy trough the wall would be too obvious. after all you don't need to track him, it's enough to see him in the corner of your screen so you know exactly where to shoot the moment you break the corner, you're already prepped for the shot.

but, let's put it this way. everybody was shocked when they realised sombra was using wh, very few people suspected him let alone accused him of anything. had he not owned himself he could've continued cheating for years. this guy on the other hand is accused left and right, and if you watch his demos (especially the z4 one) with shownormals it becomes blatantly evident.

<< Comment #126 @ 11:39 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #123

but, let's put it this way. everybody was shocked when they realised sombra was using wh, very few people suspected him let alone accused him of anything. had he not owned himself he could've continued cheating for years. this guy on the other hand is accused left and right

and this is what I dislike about the entire discussion.

among other things you are basically saying "accuse a person often enough and eventually people will find him guilty""

Accusations, and their number even more, must never be seen as evidence itself!

And in your case I kinda think this cartoon is somewhat fitting (or did you really check every pro gamer's demos for cheats?)

<< Comment #129 @ 11:53 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #126

I gave the Sombra example just to show that someone using a wh in online games is not evident to everyone. This includes you, Beck.

I'm not going by anyone's accusations here, matter of fact I was defending walter at the start when I wasn't really paying attention, if anything I was impressed by his play, since I never saw such reflexes or enemy awareness, ever. After that z4 demo tho it's blatantly evident to me that he cheats. Nothing to do with faith, or going with the heard.

And talking about accusations, Michael Jackson has been tried for pedophilia 17 times, never convicted. Would you hire him as a babysitter?

<< Comment #128 @ 11:48 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #123

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Edited by walter at 13:17 CST, 20 January 2009

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tourist - Reply to #128

hah, you wish son. you can find shady shots like that from any good player, I agree. but 'unborn' made like 1 or 2 such bs prediction shots per game. In that z4 demo you make like 20 of them in first 5 minutes. There's a difference between hitting a prediction rail once in a game and hitting it EVERY GOD DAMN TIME.

oh, and sombra got owned when he uploaded a fucking screenshot showing his cheats. he would hardly be caught otherwise.

Edited by tourist at 11:56 CST, 25 November 2008

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outlaw - Reply to #130

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Edited by walter at 13:17 CST, 20 January 2009

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tourist - Reply to #132

by all means, go and beat z4 40-0 on a LAN and I'll publicly admit that I was wrong about you. I'd be extremely surprised if you ever showed up on a LAN tho, let alone perform.

btw walter, what is your average reaction time?

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Aaron - Reply to #147

reaction time has next to nothing to do with it

it helps what I like to call 'raw' aim so going from game to game will be easier (toxic / lugia) but that's about it

the rest is just years of experience, angles, patterns, positioning and so on

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tourist - Reply to #158

in that case, he has the fastest angles, patterns and experience in the world.

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Liam - Reply to #128

Actually if you look at that thread, as far as I can see, Raistlin never said he thought he was a cheater. What he said was he thought somebody else was a cheater and that he heard unborn might be an alias of this person, the shot he posted was of another player I believe.

<< Comment #136 @ 15:01 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #123

Are you fucking kidding me?

By your logic, EVERYONE IS A CHEATER

Do you not hear what you're saying?

"He points away from him when he's spectating the guy trough the wall, he doesn't want to track the guy trough the wall would be too obvious"

Come on man. I can give you ANY demo from ANYONE can you can easily say "They were just hacking but didn't track them through the wall with their crosshair, they were just hiding it well."

Please, give me a break.

"Oh look, he was hacking and was using an aimbot but purposely missed half of his shots to get a lower score"

-_-

<< Comment #146 @ 18:30 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #136

never said he used an aimbot. learn to read.

<< Comment #148 @ 18:34 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #146

I know that, I was giving an example of how fucking illogical and flawed your argument is.

Learn to read. (IRONIC EH?)

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tourist - Reply to #148

and actually if you weren't so thick, you'd know that botters usually miss half of the shots, shoot the walls and do other stupid shit deliberately t lower their stats. or do you think that napalm3d, satan etc were legit too?

<< Comment #151 @ 19:04 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #149

Oh my god, you don't fucking get it.

Your logic doesn't make any fucking sense. Give me some solid evidence and proof that he hacks, anything else is speculation.

Does Walter blatantly miss shots and hit walls randomly? No.

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tourist - Reply to #151

sigh... go google all the threads where fox, chance, viju, clock etc were explaining it, I cba any more.

<< Comment #154 @ 19:25 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #153

Doesn't matter who it comes from, it's still speculation.

Sorry, get me some evidence.

Some people just can't accept that maybe Walter is just really good.

<< Comment #196 @ 16:18 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #154

speculation eh? alrite smart guy, go find me conclusive evidence that sombra cheats. no, not screenshots, demo times. please come back when you do.

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becks - Reply to #196

well done completely disqualifying yourself.

A screensht may not be perfect, but it's miles ahead of any "I see it sometimes and all other times he is hiding his hacks" argument.

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #196

...are you serious?

"Hey, go prove Jim stabbed my friend with that knife. OH NO, WAIT, You can't use that bloody knife with my friends blood and Jims fingerprints on it though."

You can't setup your own fucking situation and make your own rules. Sombra submitted his screenshot, and right there, was evidence of cheats. Demos don't even prove that he cheats. Demos only prove someone cheats with there's direct evidence of an aimbot, or when they continue to follow someone through the wall with their crosshair)

ESR has TONS of demos from Walter, playing in many games. None of which prove that he cheats. You don't understand simple logic and arguments, do you?

Like I said before, speculation.

I don't care what 'pro' players think he cheats, it's all speculation.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Maybe if you knew Walter personally like I do, you might understand a few things a bit more, and not post completely illogical arugments and make up stupid situations for people to solve.

<< Comment #211 @ 02:48 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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raithza - Reply to #196

do the same for walter

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tourist - Reply to #211

this one looks about right:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1556822#pid1556822

I'd make my own but really cba

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Aaron - Reply to #149

yeah and all those had very blatant videos that instantly pointed them out without question

walter has nothing apart from some fat bucket munchers whining he cheats and starting a hunt yet still can't find anything. and anything that has been put forward is as stupid as Walter's 'dkt cheats' thread which was obvious bullshit but still, people went and picked out a shed load of very 'suspect' bullshit.

<< Comment #163 @ 02:48 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #159

because a bot is like 100 times easier to spot than a well used wh. still, those guys were fiercly defended by a lot of people to be legit, just like you're defending prince charming right here.

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Aaron - Reply to #163

yeah but the second proof was found they were abandoned except a few fanatics

and satan didn't bot to my knowledge, just a wallhack

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tourist - Reply to #164

wh, bot who cares. the point is the guy was landing uber retarded shots left and right, just like walter is doing, and you don't really need a bot for that do you? you can always shoot first and it looks like you have 0ms reaction time to your opponent, if you can see your enemy trough the wall beforehand. agreed?

<< Comment #213 @ 06:05 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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ddk - Reply to #164

im pretty sure satan botted, he was actually coding his own cheats for his own use as well.

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raithza - Reply to #101

make a video or be regarded as full of shit.

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tourist - Reply to #168

I don't care enough to do it really, since I'd have to get aftereffects or whatever crap is used for making movies and fiddle with it. And you'll have to admit, that's too much effort just to please a bunch of idiots on an interent forum.

<< Comment #175 @ 03:40 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #170

can't provide evidence then shut the fuck up, least Walter went out of his way to back his claims (albeit bullshit from the get go) with videos of stuff that looked suspect when accusing dkt

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raithza - Reply to #170

Thing is I've never seen anyone come up with any good proofs that walter cheats - compared to other accused cheaters. I haven't even seen anything as good as what walter came up with for DKT.

If walter was only good at one game even, you would have been more convincing, and besides that the parts of his game other than those that would be helped by a WH (such as movement,general aim etc) are also at 'pro' level.

<< Comment #142 @ 16:21 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #94

The single little bit of watching him that says to me that he's the real deal (i've never really had an opinion one way or the other) was watching his demo of him vs griffin on dm6. When he ducks these 2 rockets that are coming in to the LG area from where the PG/RA ledge is. His positioning and reaction time alone are enough to convince me he's just a fkn madskilled lunatic. The bizarre, but very effective movement is another thing. I honestly believe that he's just a completely insane Quake savant.

<< Comment #145 @ 17:32 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #142

You've gotta see this guy in defrag and ctf. His movement is fucking ridiculous.

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tourist - Reply to #142

look, noone really suspects cypher, tox and company even tho they do retarded shots in on-line matches. and it's not only because they back it up on lan, you can just see those shots are results of very fast reflexes and skill. walter on the other hand looks fishy from the very first shot, 'I can tell from one rail' etc. :)

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Aaron - Reply to #150

walter looks fishy because you want him to

go back and watch sombra demos, he'll look fishy because you know he's cheating yet before the whole radar thing you wouldn't have bat an eyelid.

after all these accusations there is still no solid evidence at all, and considering the amount of people in the witchhunt you would think there would be at least one shot that's extremely suspect but there's nothing out of the ordinary that any half decent player could pull off or any top player on a regular basis.

one person has claimed to have solid evidence (guard) but can't show it for some retarded reason, which leaves me to believe he uses the same cheats and can tell, I mean he's never been to a well established lan has he?!

Edited by Aaron at 22:31 CST, 25 November 2008

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tourist - Reply to #157

maybe, just maybe, because it's not exactly easy to spot if he's good at using wh ? but nigga plz, do me a favor, watch the z4 demo with r_shownormals and tell me this guy doesn't cheat. arite?

and yes, following your retarded logic you could say guard is just as suspect. NOT.

Edited by tourist at 02:45 CST, 26 November 2008

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Aaron - Reply to #162

and yes, following your retarded logic you could say guard is just as suspect. NOT.

well done you idiot, you got the point.

proof please, oh wait you have non except whatever you think which isn't enough

<< Comment #166 @ 03:03 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #165

heh, yes, proof PROOF. gimme proof michael jackson is a pedophile. you have none. stfu. there's tons of proof, you're just too blinded by faith to see it? eh, eh?

<< Comment #169 @ 03:18 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #166

there is none, nothing that's definite that's for sure, unlike other previous mentions.

walter has probably played in front of thousands and thousands over GTV let alone all the specs during his games and people that have downloaded demos, yet still nothing more than what I and others can find in hundreds of other demos all because we see what we want to see.

and your Jackson example is stupid on so many levels.

best part about this, didn't the whole cheater accusations (correct me if wrong please) come from a semi-skilled american dueler having a rage fit? and since all of the NA scene are total fucking idiots (with the exception of Butcher, and Yeltsin but they are not American) they all just jumped on the bandwagon and joined in, just like unborn, or anyone else that plays on a US server who hits decent percentages on a regular basis.

If players such as spartie/noctis/arrw never shown up to a LAN they would be in the exact same situation as Walter probably

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tourist - Reply to #169

"best part about this, didn't the whole cheater accusations (correct me if wrong please) come from a semi-skilled american dueler having a rage fit?"

fox? no don't think he's american.

"If players such as spartie/noctis/arrw never shown up to a LAN they would be in the exact same situation as Walter probably"

funny, don't remember any controversy about those guys, seen dozens of demos from them never thouht they looked suspicious. BUT MABE IF YOU SOEMENE TOL D ME DEY BOT DEN TEY WUD? no moron, they wouldn't.

<< Comment #174 @ 03:38 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #171

'players such as' you know, beastly online players with insane aim that have only proven themselves recently on LAN, imagine noctis winning online cups like he does and then tunring down all LAN invitations, the ball would start rolling soon enough before he's labeled some sort of fraud, and no not just the specific players I mentioned, anyone with notable skill.

yeah I knew someone would play the fox card soon enough, no he didn't start the accusations, it was a bucket muncher I just can't remember who, some fellow bucketer will know.

Edited by Aaron at 03:42 CST, 26 November 2008

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becks - Reply to #174

might be nomadic?

<< Comment #180 @ 05:37 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #179

wouldn't surprise me

biggest fucking idiot in American I think.

<< Comment #183 @ 09:17 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #180

agreed, you can hardly put fox in the same category tho.

<< Comment #192 @ 12:52 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Burn the Priest - Reply to #179

It was chance

http://www.ggl.com/?controller=News&id=38...od=article

Edited by Vicarious at 12:55 CST, 26 November 2008

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becks - Reply to #192

ah ok

<< Comment #173 @ 03:33 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #169

"spartie/noctis/arrw"

I think I already saw a post how it was so disturbing how noctis (or was it killer?) is only top when he is playing online and not on lan. Good thing nobody really agreed to that.

<< Comment #228 @ 05:41 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #169

"with the exception of Butcher, and Yeltsin"

Well, that's any argument you may have had made completely null and void.

<< Comment #172 @ 03:28 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #166

faith, is it?

Edited by becks at 03:28 CST, 26 November 2008

<< Comment #83 @ 20:43 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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Alchemist03

may be walter is nothing on LAN... =)
i

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raithza - Reply to #83

nothink*

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<< Comment #87 @ 22:05 CST, 24 November 2008 >>

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tom

guys the north american quake community is pretty weird. back in europe you really do have it good, trust me.

<< Comment #100 @ 06:59 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #87

Whoa. What are you? Some kinda... double agent?

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tom - Reply to #100

i.. what?

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<< Comment #105 @ 07:51 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #87

Most Euro's speak funny, I'll take 2nd rate Americans anytime of the day :)

<< Comment #109 @ 08:07 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #105

Most Euro's speak funny

indeed

<< Comment #112 @ 08:16 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #109

I have an apostrophe and I'm not afraid to use it!

Edited by Jamerio at 08:18 CST, 25 November 2008

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becks - Reply to #105

Most Euro's speak funny, I'll 2nd rate Americans anytime of the day :)

indeed ...

... and their writing is even worse.

<< Comment #121 @ 10:06 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun :

somebody write a detailed story about the matches, I don't have q3 anymore (with pictures, please)

<< Comment #131 @ 12:12 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #121

TBH it's a really good demo. Vorpal puts up a really decent fight, something like 19-12 final score. (only watched it once, not sure about scores)
I'd have preferred MVD, but ah well.

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<< Comment #140 @ 15:36 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #131

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Edited by walter at 13:17 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #143 @ 17:06 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #140

Yeah, you kept a more level head than you're known for when it got into the clutch. wp

<< Comment #133 @ 13:00 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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morpheus305

why does this demo have so many comments?? It shouldnt have this many.

<< Comment #134 @ 13:12 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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ix

This is why the legends like Vorpal shouldn't come out of retirement for one last fight, they get beaten when well past their prime and it tarnishes their legacy.

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<< Comment #135 @ 14:17 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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vorpal - Reply to #134

i agree!

<< Comment #155 @ 21:36 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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erok - Reply to #135

You should be sad. This demo had been up for a while and he still beat you to the troll.

<< Comment #152 @ 19:06 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #134

I believe "Washed Up Veteran" is the term you're looking for =)

<< Comment #184 @ 11:46 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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vorpal - Reply to #152

perhaps you are mistaking me for apheleon / griffin. i am relatively new to this quake scene, and definitely nowhere close to being a veteran!

<< Comment #186 @ 11:56 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #184

be quiet you are yesterday's news

<< Comment #187 @ 12:08 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #184

rawr >:3

<< Comment #189 @ 12:29 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #184

griffin is washed up? Why, it seems like only yesterday that he beat me 56-1 on monsoon. ....

:X

<< Comment #137 @ 15:08 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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stunt.us

Accusations seem to become evidence. Then taken as truth to be used as proof to prove guiltiness.

GL with that walter.

<< Comment #141 @ 15:36 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #137

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Edited by walter at 13:18 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #144 @ 17:06 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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garz - Reply to #141

"i won't respond to anyone else in this thread accusing me because honestly it is a waste of my time"

;D

<< Comment #190 @ 12:44 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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SenT!neL - Reply to #144

lol

<< Comment #156 @ 21:50 CST, 25 November 2008 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 15:50 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #200 @ 16:52 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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garz - Reply to #156

i'm a gamer and i might be a loser, but i'm not a lamer!

<< Comment #160 @ 01:14 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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koji

whats going on? POST 182

<< Comment #176 @ 03:55 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Anonymous (213-84-235-150.adsl.xs4all.nl)

Walter cheats and Aaron is his gay boyfriend :/

<< Comment #177 @ 04:13 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #176

kanker cunt

<< Comment #185 @ 11:48 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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vorpal

btw you guys are retarded if you think he cheats

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<< Comment #195 @ 16:16 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #185

best troll so far.

<< Comment #201 @ 17:14 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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vorpal - Reply to #195

AM I THAT TRANSPARENT?????

oh well time to resort to following around walter for two years and accuse him of cheating at every chance i get

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<< Comment #218 @ 10:42 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #201

you truly are a legend.

<< Comment #193 @ 13:07 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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Anonymous (stjhnf0120w-142163064243.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net)

you faggots lose

<< Comment #199 @ 16:48 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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anyk3y

200 posts for a demo .. winter depression kicking in? ;)

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<< Comment #203 @ 18:04 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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player1

I have no opinion regarding this subject but I want to be on the most discussed thread too.

<< Comment #205 @ 18:33 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #203

poser.

>:3

<< Comment #217 @ 09:28 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #203

I have an opinion but I don't tell

<< Comment #232 @ 18:02 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #203

my opinion on your opinion is also absent, because I don't tell or I don't have any, in which case the whole statement is a lie

<< Comment #207 @ 21:53 CST, 26 November 2008 >>

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tom

so what about that demo huh?

<< Comment #209 @ 01:25 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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squishy - Reply to #207

thought it was pretty good!
Nice movement by Walter (but he seems to be xpert at it, or so ive heard). blatent wallhack tho ;)

<< Comment #219 @ 13:42 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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Minky - Reply to #209

the demos werent good =[

cpm15 is just a zz map for me but cpm22 was all back for the last 5min .. the first 5min walter was very aggressive and thats much more fun to watch

his movement seemed very "broken" on cpm15.. like.. no flow (and he seemed to avoid all ramps) and on cpm22 didnt seem that much better, granted it was a lot "smoother" with a few more tricks thrown in but thats down to it being his home map but overall i was expecting much more from some of the comments concerning his movement

i dunno if i can agree about the blatant wallhack as i didnt see anything other than your ordinary hub prediction.. apart from 3 shots.. 2 in cpm15 and 1 in cpm22.. cant say either way though as they could just be "wtf" moments.. although generally those "wtf" shots dont come around so often

<< Comment #222 @ 14:47 CST, 28 November 2008 >>

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squishy - Reply to #219

Im a cpm noob tho, so im easily impressed ;)

<< Comment #223 @ 15:31 CST, 28 November 2008 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #219

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Edited by walter at 13:18 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #225 @ 16:53 CST, 28 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #223

that's how we do it in the pro's!
=]]]

<< Comment #208 @ 01:21 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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XeroxHands

There is no such thing as a "good player" in quake. Everyone simply cheats, and some are better at hiding it.

<< Comment #212 @ 06:03 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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loveless

$5 to whoever plusses this post

4%

<< Comment #214 @ 06:08 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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Lo - Reply to #212

where's my money, bitch?

<< Comment #215 @ 06:58 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #214

check's in the mail.

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<< Comment #220 @ 14:14 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #215

[+] whore, go suck some [+] cock, which oozes out some [+] jizz

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<< Comment #221 @ 15:01 CST, 27 November 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #220

that's mean

<< Comment #229 @ 13:59 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 15:49 CST, 20 January 2009

<< Comment #231 @ 16:13 CST, 29 November 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #229

Looking at the other comments (someone said they saw them both playing at the same time) I don't think viper was czm, if it was then I guess I thought czm was a cheater too...

<< Comment #239 @ 11:32 CDT, 17 June 2013 >>

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TheMafia

I know this was a while ago, but gg's walter and vorpal and also thanks to everyone else who participated! :) i had a lot of fun running it




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