right? so that makes you the following:
* self centered
* possibly jealous? that some succeeded and you didnt
and most importantly..
wow... the fact that you even mention duels makes all of your opinions worth jack shit. duels in wow is a joke.
competative wow has become a game of picking your comp. trying to defeat whatever comp your opponent team is running.
rating systems on live and tr servers sucks. i agree. tournament play is awesome.
finding weaknesses against other comps and maybe perhaps even finding the weak link in the enemy team. thats why you need a lot of practise when going in to this tournament, you need to (sometimes) be able to play more than one class. in some cases, take orz for example, you can run WLD through the whole tournament and be successfull.
and who you kill on your noname BG in season 2 i dont really care about. if you can't perform under tournament pressure it's not worth anything.
and once again this has nothing to do with me, you're a slow learner arent you?
i wont even comment this, duels are shit and made for shitty people to boost their shitty confidence
yeah except rps is guessing. counter-comping isnt.
wrong, orz wasnt sponsored. ka-ching you're wrong again. they got sponsors after the first tournament they won.
if it was roll of dice/flip a coin why did the same team win 2 tournaments in a row? do you know what those odds are?! 1,56~%. that's right. that's just for the group play of the second tournament. imagine that with the first tournament aswell and you'll soon realize its not a flip of a coin.
have you actually played in a tournament? and still you're guessing this stuff? you seem to be contradicting your statements earlier (and later) in this thread m8.
read the above, you just said this is valid. so i guess you got self pwned. and i dont care if you win vs me in a duel, as said before duels are jokes and im only intrested in tournament play. so until you win a tournament im just gona lol@yourface
wow, starting to look pathetic now mate. you did some online tournaments pre-tbc and think you've accomplished something. hah, do you really think its the same pressure compared to when people watch you on an online stream and theres 12k $ and 3 blackbirds on the line? and you keep talking about this "otherguy", he's not you is he? so why brag about what he has done. clearly you are the lesser mage than him so why wont you go cry in a corner about it just like now about celex. so you crashing a funeral has something to do with pvp?! i think you're rather twisted in your "argument", son. maybe you should rethink what you're trying to say here.
and oh, bragging about pugging t5 content is so -07
even if you would beat me in duel, what would you prove by it? would my point on tourmanents be INVALID?
congrats, you killed some of the easiest bosses in the expansion, are you happy? lulz. and again, this has nothing to do with the discussion about celex. you are a slow person it seems.
uhh... what. i can say the same thing about you? making stuff up doesnt mean you're right. and beating me in a duel doesnt show anything. are you saying that athletes shouldnt take advice from coaches because the coach might not be as good at doing the sport? your logic fails once again, dear.
how many times do i have to keep bringing up that celex is successful while you are not, you can brag all you want about how much you did pre-tbc and how you would gank me but that doesnt change anything. absolutely nothing. you fail to counter argument the whole fox-discussion because you know you are wrong.
my tip to you: stop this discussion before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
MY SKILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH CELEX IS ABLE TO DO WELL IN TOURNAMENTS. YOU CAN CHALLENGE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT IT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVNT SUCCEEDED LIKE HIM. PLEASE READ for once.
i dont think i ever commented on what mode is more fit for competition? if so you've mistaken me. i've never said what game typ is the "best" for competative arena. i'm just saying celex knows what hes doing.
i'm flattered that you will spend 15 dollars to gank me :) personally i couldn't care less if you kill me and you've totally missed the point of this discussion. like 100 times over.
that's bullshit and you know it. i can claim the same stuff about anything. i can claim that if i cared about q3 duel i would be the best in the world. fact is though, this team was the best team at TR for a while and doing very well on bg9 which is the best battlegroup in us. what shitty bg were you guys on again? some random bg? facts like that overrides your random bullshit guessing how much i know about the game.
I might have said that 3v3 is the best for competition allround since its easier for spectators to follow and easier to manage at tourmanets because you can cut (at least) 2 members per team. a lot less costs. I can't recall saying its the most fair and valid gametype.also, try 2500 rating at the best bg in s3.
oh yeah, i forgot your money has almost no value now. anyways, you can kill me all you want but celex is still the superior mage over you. you can kill half the world but you still won't earn his titles and before then you can't say jack shit m8. you can keep running around thinking you're superman while everyone else is laughing at you. also, i think i have played enough wow to know that keybindings isnt the only reason that you can do well in game. you dont even have an idea what he was pressing when he hit those akward keys.
have the thought that he might be faster than you ever occured?
no wonder you quit if you are like that, must be a mess everytime you get owned in arena (since you are mainly a pvper, right?) you must be super frustrated and fight with your team mates all the time. oh wait, i forgot, you are so tight so you blame the game instead. you being positioned wrong or anything has nothing to do with it, right?
stop living in -05, oldfag. face it.. it's 2008 and GG, fnatic and SK are the best players at the moment since they have it on paper. whether you like it or not that's the reality.
question: have you ever watched one of the streams of the later events? or are you just assuming from this video?
once again you talk about me when this has nothing to do with me. do i smell jealousy that maybe someone has done something and you havnt? whats up m8. why do you feel so strongly about this subject?
sure, there are some bad players out there. celex isnt (apperently) one. once again until you've proven yourself more than in text on esr i'll just think you're talking bullshit. remember, you're the one claiming stuff here.
wait what, who said i was jealous? i never intended to focus on pvp so never really did, just as you didnt focus on pve. are you jealous that i killed kj before you (most likely)? i think not, as i dont care about your pvp achievments.
maybe wow isnt the best competative game, and yes the skill roof might be lower than in other games. whats your point? if you are equally good, why not make some extra cash over the weekend? i know why, it's because you are not as good. you can't compete with these guys and deep down you know it. you can duel random people all you want on your shitty server but it wont change a thing.
maybe it's a culture thing? maybe over there people need to boast and brag to be 'worth' anything. do you have father issues perhaps? not getting recognized by your dad? want a hug? pat on the back?
playing the "help" card lol. once again, he doing well in tournaments is still more than you duelling random people.
im wrong about what? please tell me what im wrong about. i dont think you have a clue what you're talking about anymore.
wait wasn't this about celex? once again you're trying to lower me to seem superior.
so.. morals makes you duel random people when you could make money. that makes sense.
stop lying you loser, you havnt got what it takes (clearly) just as you never did in quake. and dont try to twist this argument on me because i'm not the one claiming to be super man.
we're all bitches to the "man". if you can't see that you're deluded. and no, i've never worked for a burger joint, hell, i went directly from school to a proper job that i enjoy.
and what has this to do with wow again? at least my argument had a connection to you boasting like a insecure teenager who tries to impress his friends. guess what americunt, it won't work with me.
you're exactly what kills wow pvp for me, people who act like they are 15 years old. i don't mind losing ingame, i mind bad winners.
you are free to think whatever you like. i'm still looking at cold hard facts and i'm staying with that. i guess that ends this discussion if you can't prove yourself better than him.
initial argument was about keybinds. after that you went on bashing how much better you think you are than everyone else. maybe you should re-read yourself?
once again you're free to think whatever you want but i don't agree with you. and i dont need "teaching", i'm not stupid. i'm just not very intrested. i could teach you loads of stuff you're not intrested in but that wouldn't help you much, would it. so do yourself and me the favor and drop the whole "learning"-card. bottom line is that you think this guy sucks after watching a 30 second clip of him playing without even watching the screen. he's earned thousands of dollars playing and has proven himself in brackets at the best bg in us. that's enough to prove yourself worthy in my book. when you've done the same you can come back, until then i'll just ignore your bashings of him
you really dont know how make metafors, selling drugs is illegal, and obviously so is "computer crime". and playing computer games is a hobby. if you are good enough you can make money on a hobby. if you dont have time over for hobbies i can see why you're so miserable and whining all day at esr.
wait WHAT?! who said professionally? who said for a living? i didn't for sure. why would you bring that to the table? i agree that esports isnt the best way to make your way in life when it comes to economy and i don't think i've ever claimed that. however, earning some money while you're having fun is a good deal. you can't deny that. and yes, theres random events just as in any game.
this could all be said to you aswell. should i copy paste or can you just read your own text through?
i've never claimed to know much about balance, tactics or anything like that. i've just said that keybindings isnt the biggest reason you're good or not. i do believe that you can still compete with somewhat unorthodox (spelling?) keybindings, and celex has proved it. whether you like it or not he is in one of the top teams and theres nothing you can do about it.
i think we're running in circles here anyway. you think you are superman while you havnt proven yourself in any way while celex does well in tournaments which i think is more of a merit than your talking on esr.
he still does well in tournaments and you don't. whine all you want kiddo. that discussion is over.
like what? i think i've answered every single point you've made and you stopped answering.
uhh all of the above is just bla bla bla... until you've proven yourself you're just a random. and once again im talking about tournaments. i couldn't care less what happens on your server.
my "hidden message" was that you most likely wouldnt be able to compete at that level anyway because if you were able to you would be already.
i think most tournaments are at weekends so people dont have to take time off.. maybe half a day for travels but i guess that would be worth it for like $5000? and no, i'm not 12. and you're right, i dont know what your life looks like. but if you're not able to take a weekend off once a month or so i do feel sorry for you. like i've said before.. if you dont like 3v3 thats fine. however saying its totally random is sort of bull.. if you look at the previous winners you'll see that its sort of consistent. way more than q3 ever was for example.
once again vedic you are a slow learner. i've said multiple times in this thread this is not about live servers. it's about tournaments and tournament realms. if you hang out at your shit sylvanas server or w/e its called ofc you wont play good players. if you want competition i suggest you move to TR servers and go to tournaments. but i wonder what you will blame then.. luck? rng? maybe both. lulz.
this is pathetic. maybe i should teach you how to read? you clearly seem to know nothing on the subject. maybe your dad beat you in the head too much as a child and you lost some memory the school years?
once again (for the 1233113th time) this has nothing to do with me. celex does well in tournaments and you don't. you can keep fighting it hero but it won't go away. even with shit keybindings he does better than you. makes me lulz.
i dont think i ever said they were good. did i? and i dont know what the level competition on your bg is. and that's the only thing you know of, right?
you act like i dont even play the game, which is pretty funny. maybe you should get down from your high horse and dont act like a teenager?
whether his keybinds are shit or not i dont really care, i care what they do in game and who wins what tournament. do you check quake players configs what they use to move around?! i dont think so. my point all along was that he does well with his keybinds. and i know you don't agree with this because you're an american and can't accept anyone else beeing better than you because of your blown up ego but i think hes good and theres nothing you can do about it.
i think you're forgetting something, i don't live in the US where most tournies take place. and i dont feel like climbing live ladders because i think that system is le shittery. and as i've said before, it might not be the best platform or game to compete in but at least its fun to follow. SC is a better balanced game, no doubt. i dont think i ever said wow is totally balanced. and it doesnt really matter in tournaments since you can pick from all classes..
yup, 5v5 is perhaps a better format. but as stated before to hold a tournament with 5 players is harder than 3 players per team. computer space, where to stay etc.
RMP mirror for example is a lot about what rogue gets opener so its sort of a game who can survive the longest without rogue popping out. from what i saw last tournament the rogue who got opener on the other rogue won the game. i wouldn't call that random.
then ofc, there are random factors in the game. i agree to that, and i've agreed to it before. however, i believe, over time the best team will still win.
you got this all messed up dude. maybe you should duel celex instead? i got better things to do than waste my time running around duelling and doing fucken bgs. when i play wow i play to raid or do other fun stuff with my mates. your anti-social behaviour might explain why you're such a whiny bitch on this site.
and your grudge is quite amusing. lulz. so keen to keel. maybe you should get a gun and do a school shooting? get the frustration out.
even if you do well on bg9, like you said, you would still have to do some tournament play to prove yourself better than celex.
says the guy who thinks keybinds is the main way to get good.. lol..
still not talking about your live crap. provide proof of tournament play or TTR and i will believe you. so far all you've done is all talk.
i disagree. check some tournament statistics and comps before you vomit these lies all over the place.
im not sure if youre aware of this but wow is pretty new to tournaments and because of people like you its not evolving. at some point maybe all tournaments will be 5v5 when organizers can afford it. cs-type games has been around for ages.
thats why you go alliance when you play rmp. and yes, resiliance might not have been the best idea to 'fix' pvp. what has this got to do with the discussion?
are we in the hood? a discussion comes to "bust a cop in yo ass". seems pretty kindergarden-ish.
have you ever tried explaining WHY bad keybinds dont work? or did you just skip that part. maybe you dont have a clue and just dont want to look stupid (which is already miles gone). if you actually provided with some solid points instead of bashing someone might agree with you for once.
how can you judge what tr is now if you tried it years ago?
Doing something else than bashing might be a good idea. you're coming off as a wow pvp hater (pretty much like anyone whos frustrated with temporary rng). there's more than black and white you know. and i dont think i ever promoted id.. i only like about 2-3 games they made (and thats after it was modified, vanilla in these games were horrible).
ok, fair point. but shouldnt rng be even more of a factor in 5v5 since you have more people running and 'rolling the dice' as you would say? 3 crits is more deadly than 2 or 1.
why would i ask when you're the one stating stuff :). its your 'job' to explain yourself. finally we have a decent discussion going :D
whats stated above is true, except the part when it adds up. i dont think its that big of an issue. but i guess we'll see when they run 5v5 tours.
Thats what i found odd about your statement. TR has been around since early this year, right? Maybe US TR is different then. Most top teams dont bother with live anymore.
what do you mean by 'numbers to back it up and rush away'?
good idea actually. i havnt seen it that way before. then again you have the problem of getting this to work with pve :p
maybe create a side game for pvp?
i think 1 to 1,5 sec is enough time to move your fingers across the keyboard for one stroke.
it would be intresting to know what spells he used when he had that weird hand position.. i know he was in ice block when he was spamming it so maybe blink? or maybe its just an odd macro for some useless stuff.
skills different, are you saying people got worse than they were in s2/s3? that's a pretty silly thing to say m8. think before you post bro
they train for years and devote their lives to something
no matter how hard you try, you cant be content with what you have got, compared to what you can get.