As far as Cooller goes he shouldn't be bundled in with other players on that map imo. In his prime Cooller's strengths made him so hard to beat on it. It's so difficult to spam RA when Cooller is in control because the guy's ability to both dodge and fire rockets upwards accurately was super impressive. Plus he seemed to have amazing timing at being able to come back, running and keeping the number of kills the opponent in control gets before picking the perfect moment to make a comeback and rack up fast kills.

I'd say the closeness now is more a function of better aim and the fact everyone knows the strategies for the map.

It's not all that bad, but a lot of the first third of the game can be decided by the spawns.

well if your first spawn is at shotgun... its bad luck xD if not then the game is just like in any other map =D

I've always liked pro-q3dm6, but unfortunately, the spawns is what kills it.

Like, shotgun spawn (neer YA).

You're pretty fucked with that spawn for the first good amount of the game.

As for the rest of it, the spawns could be better, but, I think I agree with CZM when he says it should be removed from the map pool. (Although, I don't really like T4).

everyone has very solid aim, there are no major aim gaps anymore between the top players so advantages players had for having insane aim are much less apparent since everyone else is just as capable, providing there are enough events to see czm in action you'll see the same there, his insane flick rails are not going to help him like they did because he's not the only one who can do it now

the increase in aim skills (notably shaft) allows you to partake in battles you normally wouldn't even think about doing, like standing on the RA and shaft whoring the bridge, taking jump pads, rushing off the spawns and dropping tiers with little care and so on, stuff like taking the bridge stairs you can afford to get stuck as you can still be pretty dominate aim wise

Watch some of the masters matches from dm6. It is pretty stupidly random.
edit: For the above mentioned reasons...The map does not match player's skill levels anymore.

I dunno, sometimes it does play a bit random, but other times i can play it 5 times against the same opponent and still get about the same match result.
Oh and SG spawn has my name on it :<

u see its more random for elite players, not like u :)
if some player get control and dont doing mistakes etc 8-10 mins, geting lot frags, its hard after 1 mistake , do comeback and get in action with 5-6 mins, u will need catch playher and so on..

i personally just think that its... FUCKING SHIT

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Some players just call random anything they don't like ;)

xerp is the new random then :D

i played (v)Q3 only for a few times so i don't have much experience with dm6 (i know it only as q2-custom map used on ffa server) but i wonder how is it possible that this map became one of the most popular maps ever :| maybe it's good for ffa or team-based gametypes but it seems to be horrible for duels...

q3dm6 is the shittiest popular map in all Quakes combined

Agreed. Compared to dm4 from qw and q2dm1 it is just a joke map. Even tho q2dm1 suffers from same problem nowadays (low pings and good aim makes it nearly impssible to regain control once player got rail) it is just SO MUCH more fun to play.

Agreed, pro-q3dm6 is a bit better tho.

First one that gets control, wins. These days players are skilled enough to control all 3 powerups. It simply takes a huge mistake or godlike aim to regain control.

5 map, map pool?

The tide of control can still change with one good second of sneak attack LG!

Typical +forward mentality.

Is anyone else confused as to what people want from players these days?

You're either a +backer, +forwarder, shaftwhore(or xerper they call it now), railfag, or rocketspam camper?

I love whine about playstyles, isn't it good that people can play with different styles?

If everyone has to play the same style (Like Q4, or on hub3aeroq3) what's the point in watching at all?

Guess it depends what you enjoy in a game. Perfectly refined tactics evolved to the nth as it is now where everyones perfect. Or new maps where therešs a learning curve so youšre constantly discovering new tactics n such.

I always liked the golf analogy for games, a changing map pool isnšt a bad thing.

golf is a brilliant analogy, nice one imma use that !

Indeed, the skills in being able to adapt to a changing enviroment.

That analogies been used well in the ET scene :p kept the map list ever evolving - keeps the game fresh.

But you keep the best maps still right?

To an extent - we've been known to leave out certain 'overplayed' maps for a season to give something new a go and re-introduce them the following season. With Radar being the only original map still played.

I guess it be easier when there's no psuedo 'pro' scene 'n $$$ dictating things. Where be the motivation for a seasoned 'pro' to encourage new maps when there's cash at stake - and they be practiced at what they know.

That 'n new maps require time to evolve as strategies develop. You can tell a bad map from the start - but it takes hours of play to discover the nuances of a great map.

i completely agree

Golf has 4 majors, British Open ( dm6 ) US OPEN ( ZTN) MASTERS ( HUB3 ) USPGA (nodm9withafixedGLinsteadof2sgsonthemap)

whats your point?

Your analogy doesn't correlate.

The British Open is heald on one of nine courses in the UK.

So, it's a different course each time. By your analogy, you assume that each tournament uses one course, and that course would be the analogy for a Quake map.

But, each championship uses different courses.

i think quake3 is more like Formula 1 of Cars xD same tracks diferent strategies

Yes.