ut has always been sort of a community purifier for quake, ten thousand german homos needs something to play and if it werent for ut, they might have been quake players, thank god for ut

always fucking 1, stelam?

same germans are playing poker on partypoker, you don't see a f* 2 dollars call on a 50$ table if they have notin'
they are fags indeed

if you mean q4, thats doesnt need a ut3 to get killed, its already dead, every other quake has its community, and it certainly wont kill quakeworld ;)

well if you got a thing for excessive spam then ut3 is for you!

looks nice and plays nice as a proper ffa deathmatch game, but god spam spam spam on all weps, and the vehicle ctf is lol

wont be as a bad once tweaked and there aint 24 players in a server, it wont really kill quake communities cos ppl will always base thier preference on thier 1st game they got into, i just posted it to attack the quakers a little for fun :P

you dont see quakers go to unrealnorth or whater pages there are and say UT SUCKS OLOL just for a little fun. ;) (at least i dont think they do =) )

esr is and will always be a mainly quake based site and we dont have any other international sites. :)

this is esr not unreal north i only use esr

but you got the q3retards that have the inner need to bash q4 on every opportunity... it's way worse tbh :)
but i guess the ignorelist is unlimited on esr.. although it entails a buggy comment reading :<

i was playing with about 5 bots, and it fealt like massive amounts of spam, i meen half the weps are spam or have spam modes. and i dont see how this will change with tweaks, just the base of the weps feels very spammy

also whats up with every other game out there not being able to make the buttons and mouse feel responsive, mouse feels like its got lag all the time (unlike q3 which input response is perfect)

Yes tha's the problem with UT players in general..

They're used to playing a game with at least 30% less precision that what any of the quakes offer, so when they make such statements quakers don't take them seriously because they don't see them as peers in the first place.

you'll see what I mean when every big UT 3 tourney is won by a quaker:)
It's gonna happen dude, then your community might just start to realise that most quakers play it because it's the hardest and most pure form of DM.

Not because it was the first game they played. I played UT before quake and movement wise it felt like sticking a broken bottle up my arse.

but yet i play both quake and ut like many many many other ppl

won by a quaker? quake is not a humanised being, you mean won by a fellow gamer

"won by a player who has lots of experience from playing quake"

better ?=)

not forgetting duckhunt, snake rattle and roll, and alex the kidd

qauke is not harder as ut or any otehr game
i guess u mean its like snooker is harder than pool
but still the same humans play it : so its as hard to get chmap in snooker as it is in pool

I see what you're saying but I disagree slightly, not about the quake vs. UT part 'cause I honestly don't care but some games are easier to master than others. Take instagib for example, do you really think cooller or czm wouldn't rape the 'best' insta player at their own game? I'd put money on it to be honest.

cooller is good because he can think, not aim,

czm can both

czm might own the best insta players..cooller won´t

czm aim is only better with the rail on all other weapons cooller aim is better

well, i never see why coollers aim is supposed to be superior.

the only thing he has is lots of armor and weapons.
his aim is at least inconsistent...looking at the cpl tournament opposed to some other cups in the past.

q3 his aim was on par with everyone else apart from his rail, but his rockets made up for that

q4 his shaft (during first six months/year) was pretty much the best, I remember countless times laughing at cooller taking down a stacked toxic in a shaft/shaft battle in the same amount of time it was taking toxic to deal 100/50 or something.

warsow > cooller

j/k, here's ur [+]

yea it's rather retarded how some people say cooller's aim isn't too good simply because his rail wasn't the best there is. however, it actually was as good as if not better than 80% of the other players. he didn't need to whore it like a few others thats all.

his MG on pro-t4 was like playing major nightmare on dm17. crazy to watch.

however in an all shaft battle like the one you described, i think it was more about his superior sense of positioning that just aim alone.

i never watched him in q4,

wonder how he managed to aim that well because he was forced to use no accel (q4 didnt have it as it came out as far as i remember)
and so he had to play a totally different input-value-setup

just watch .. his palsma is alsmot perfect czms plasma is ok
mg is both perfekt
rocket launcher i think cooller is better too and lg also

you´re probably right..

i remember him taking out fox twice nicely in one of their last games vs. each other, using the plasma..
that was nice to watch

the best instagiber would be a fucking aimbot

UT and Quake are not like pool and snooker.
They're like chess and draughts!

ôk so its easy to get champ in draughts?

The point is, chess is MUCH deeper that draughts.

the point is, this does not apply to Quake and Unreal

In the case of UT2004 at least, it's a shitty hitscan game that a CS player can be world champion at.

c'mon, burnie got skills :<

hmm it wasn't just him though :) .. wasn't winz also a q3 player before winning eswc? fat also placed pretty decently in ut2k3 iirc.

are there any UT players who have been successful in a quake game?

well than try to be champ at it or try to be champ in cs
its ten time harder to be good in cs than in quake cause ten time more poeple play cs
for real i think most people just play quake cause the skill level isnt that high in quake

No...the skill level is extremely high in quake which is why no one plays it...unless you are good at it its not that fun to play because everyone in the community is a good player nowadays =\

well im not good and i beat most with same ping and i got raped by slimer like 55 -1 with a bit worse ping
only a few are good the rest is shit ;) my opiniom

it's not that bad. i started playing q3cpm some 4-6months ago. i'm starting to become a half-decent player now. :)

ctf that is ... i totally fuck up in every 1on1.

its much worse in vq3 tho, which is what he meant i guess ;)

#cpma.et

we are the most noob quake community out there! About 100 low+ quake players!

most obvious troll ever

no quake isn't harder then anything ells, the reason why quake players are so good and would probably rape in most games is because they have had much more big tournaments wich attract more competition, training and tourny experience.
UT players never really had that.

i'am pretty sure that if qitzZ tranined really hard at whatever quake game he would reach a very high level of skill.

and yeah i play both UT and quake(vanilla and promode).

"ppl will always base thier preference on thier 1st game they got into"

i thought ppl prefer the game they think is the best, i'm certainly not playing Commander Keen anymore

I only had fun on DM and TDM, seems more serious than CTF, UT CTF sux bigtime

nice double standards right there

mash was u on warsow b4 ctf i

anything > warsow ... if i may quote

We'll see after I try it, I guess. Will it run much better on XP than on Vista?

Well, I just played the demo and confirmed what was already clear: Just another FPS with totally artificial feel designed with newbies in mind.

QZ as the real HOPE for the ones that are able to filter quality from pure mainstream crap (the new Quake Arena is way too far from release, Severity? every day I doubt it more).

it's really not as bad as most ppl try to make it in here.
I enjoyed my first two matches and I even consider buying the game.
Face it guys.. QZ will hopefully be great, just like Q3 is! But it wont bring up any new players because it's movement is just way too complex for noobs.

master the movement is a great motivation for new palyers

Yay! So lets all play and adapt to inferior movement because of that!

Fuck the lazy newbies then, they are not worth it for the game. And anyway, since the game will be FREE, lots of people will play it.

q3's movement is far from complex.

it's just press +forward and swing mouse to the side you are strafing to gain some speed. works the same on the ground and in the air.
where's the complexity? :d

it's here and here

not qz/vq3 movement but i agree nonetheless.

I'm sure you'll still feel like this in 2 weeks.

How can you kill something that's already dead?

Remove the head or stake thru the heart.

They did it in Grim Fandango.

Grim fandango is just one of the greatest adventure games ever <3

so true :)

One of the greatest games ever, not just in the adventure genre

Dont you mean:
How do you kill that which has no life!?

you apparently watch too much south park

im a necromancer!

"What is dead can never die, but rises again, harder and stronger."

Cookie for everyone who knows where is this quote from.

from a crappy german porn movie where impotent old man is trying to get laid ?

No cookie for you :-p

but the answer was correct :( ?

googled it and still couldnt get a strait answer,, i have a feeling ive heard it in a commedy, maybe futurama?? although i dont think it originated from there,,, please tell.. ;D

It's from the A Song of Ice and Fire books.

Waiting for A Dance with Dragons :o

Correct answer, but no cookie for you... lolcat eated it :-)

Give me a cookie!!1!!!"!!!"!!111 :(

which part is that quote from m8 i don't remember it, although it seems awfully familiar

It's from the latest book. It's a prayer of the followers of the Drowned God that live in the Iron Islands.

Seems to me as inspired by Lovecraft's Call of Cthulu fantastic novels...

and that makes you happy? dumbass

stupid chav bandwagoning to the first game with super duper grafix and watered down gameplay

ur existence is pointless so dont ever type or reply to any of my messages you greasy romanian plz, thankyou !

I think ut3 is decent and the movement feels much natural than in q4. This said I still like q3 engine best.

The problem is Quake players dont know how to use a side dodge to move faster forward. Dodging is also for transportation and makes you faster if your used to it. And secondly they are just used to bunnyhopping/strafejumping. People always hate to change and to give up to what their used to. Only if they really need to or if the new product is ten times better. That is why UT will never make the Quake community switch. But thats ok. We dont need them.
I have played Q3 nearly as much as i have played UT and i can really say that you have much more intense and more skill involved in infights in UT cause of the dodging. Quakers will never admit that even though every normal skilled UT player could beat 90% of them in a normal match only with using the impacthammer(UTs chainsaw that you spawn with) by evading their shots with dodging and by using the speed of the dodges to get close to them before they even know whats going on. I would love to see this matches and the expression on their faces :>

i guess you didnt know that winz was a q3 player before :)

The pros that change to newer games for tournaments/money/fame doesent count :>

he wasnt a pro in q3 ;P

Well i dont know hiss reasons all i know is that nearly all the quake players whine about the UT3 movement cause they dont want to adapt and even most of the UT04 players who havent played UT99 whine cause the movement changed back to UT99 style. And i am not surprised cause this is nature :> look at the CS players. They like their stragne game too cause it was the first of its kind on the market and they are used to it too much. Even if you make slight adjustments to the games like from CS to CS:Source or from UT04 to UT3 the normal playerbase will not like to change at all. Now if you want to make a quake player change to a new game that doesent even has his strafejumping that he has done and trained for years ...well then you really need a 'killerfeature' or something.
I think UT3 will not 'unite' the fps players. No game did that in the past and no game ever will. And noobs will have a hard time to find UT3 entertaining too cause they get even more owned, confused and frustrated then the Q3 guys in UT infights against experienced UT players. But UT3 has the potential to united the UT04 and the UT99 playerbase and if it manages to accomplish that that would already be very nice :>

its not that i dont want to adapt, i had no problems adapting to the painkiller movement or i didnt even have a problem playing cs, but the ut movement just seems so awkward to me. Not beeing able to instantly jump again after i landed and keeping at least my normal speed up makes me smash my mouse against a wall. ;)
(i had no problem with cs cause i nearly dont jump there at all :P)

Painkiller movement is very similar to the way youre moving in Quake. The full difference of the Painkiller movements you only realise over time. But at the start it feels fine and familiar to you and you get used to the differences over time. But when you play the UT demo you are confrontated with a whole different type of movementsystem so its of course a lot harder for a quake player to adapt to UT then to pk.
I played Q3 and especially rocket arena quite much and both movement systems give me joy. You just cant compare UT infights to Q3 infights and you cant compare Q3 strafejumping with dodge running. So they both have enough good movement to offer in my oppinion. Combining them would be great but propably would be too much and newcomers would be like "WTF ?". A littlebit like Warsow. Little playerbase propably cause the usual type of gamer is too lazy to learn all the crazy movement.

yawn.. you completely miss the point, but here goes:

any idiot can double-tap a direction key.. don't make UT sound so complicated

the thing is: IT'S NOT FUN, IT'S SLOW, BORING AND SKILL-LESS... not to mention it has no aesthetic value and it is boring to watch.

why would anyone want to adapt to that??
fine, don't use "quake" movement.. but come up with something better than chess type movement: i dodge, you dodge, i dodge, zzz

i have never ever met such an arrogant bastard that thinks is opinion is greater then everyone elses and is so abusive its unreal, go to a building and jump off it and as your falling realise people have thier own opinions.

no, the only thing unreal here is your chavness.. go youtube yourself doing a freestyle about bling or something m8

also calling me arrogant and abusive in your "UT3 the Quake Killer" thread is pretty ironic..

that was my opinion you retard it was never fact and preferences never will be, so end your ethug ways which are evident and can be viewed by all looking at everyone 1 of ur posts comments. To sum it all up ur 23, and act like 16! a true man!

If UT movement would be so bad like you say im wondering why not everyone is playing Quake ... ?

i could reply with this:
If Quake movement would be so bad like you say im wondering why not everyone is playing UT ... ?

anyway.. for people who play casually, UT proves more fun than Quake because it has a big diverse set of weapons, more gametypes with vehicles and whatnot, it is really easy to move around (anyone can dodge) without months of training..

i'm having fun too playing UT3, but it really boggles my mind to see all the UT fanboys flooding ESR praising the game and acting like this is the saviour of eSports.

the UT3 gameplay is subpar even compared to Quake4 (generally considered to be the worst game of the series, which i disagree) who had wicked movement and decent maps (except Galang).

in UT3, because the movement is restricted, someone with a frag advantage can run around in circles around the map and gain time, the opponent having a really hard time chasing him down with little means of accelerating. the stalling can only be stopped by ridiculous UT3 hitscan weapons which make the game even more zZzZz...

well the course of action may not be as simple as i described it, but the game has a tendency towards that.

and? he worked hard got good?

Quakers will never admit that even though every normal skilled UT player could beat 90% of them in a normal match only with using the impacthammer(UTs chainsaw that you spawn with) by evading their shots with dodging and by using the speed of the dodges to get close to them before they even know whats going on.

just trying to tell him that this statement is pretty far fetched.

i know what hes saying, he is far fetched slightly but theres noobs in everygame, quake 3 strifing is easy to learn and so is ut dodgeing but then again ive played both quite alot, quake genre has been around a lot longer then ut so most ppl should be use to that as well as ut, at least the strifing

yes of course there are noobs in every game, but i wouldnt say that 90% of the quake3 players are noobs, considering how many new players q3 gets, i think its actually more like 10%, so hes a bit more than only "slightly" far fetched =)

I didnt say that 90% of the q3 players are noobs. lol why should i say such a retarded thing ? I said what i sad but that q3 players are noobs was not what i said :p

then im sorry for you, but you have no idea.

thx. i feel honored that you care about me :>

you're wrong it's that simple.

quake4 had a great deal of skilled ut'ers joining the scene and leaving after a while when they realized they wouldn't make it to the top any time soon. some of those were extremely nice about it so i certainly won't be mentioning names :)

on the other hand i remember a handful of quake3 duellers who jumped onto the ut2k3/4 bandwagon and got good at it. those weren't known outside of our scene and had nowhere near the reputation of a 'pro' in quake but made it very far (national teams in tdm/ tournament wins in duel) rather quick in ut.

now you can say i'm being unfair because there has never been a large quake->unreal movement yet but i don't know a single ut player who got actually good at quake. things might change now that ut3 has the chance of getting proper tournament exposure in the near future.

don't mistake me for saying quake players are somehow naturally superior though. it's down to the fact that we have a long history of a scene taking competitions very very serious over the timespan of several different games. this is bound to produce a greater amount of good and versatile players.

The problem is that there is no problem.

I have played UT nearly as much as i have played Q3 and i can really say that you have much more intense and more skill involved in games in Q3 cause of the gameplay. UTers will never admit that even though every normal skilled Q3 player could beat 90% of them in a normal match only with using the machinegun(Q3s chainsaw that you spawn with) by evading their shots with strafing and by using the speed of the movement and tactics to get close to them before they even know whats going on. I would love to see this matches and the expression on their faces :>

u play me at quake 3 and try and own me, and then ill play u at ut3, minigun lol to which 90% of ppl can just strife to u in seconds with rl

i bet u any money u lose greatly on ut, and i dont know q3

You see, no one has to strafe to you in order to own you in Q3. Depending on the map, you can be owned the moment you spawn for 15 minutes straight, or in 10 frag streaks. Muahahaha.
I guess you're just not getting the point, huh? The whole argument is retarded.

Q3s chainsaw would be the gauntlet not the minigun. With the gauntlet as with the impacthammer you can only kill something if you touch it.

Uh no, it is, because thats what you spawn with ;)

Thats bullshit mate :)
I am old Quake player but since UT2003 I play both UT 2003/4 and Quake. UT99 was shite. I am also pretty good at dodging :) because it's way too easy learn and "master".

I love the dodgejump move which is now gone in UT3. And that's a bad thing. Its sad because the the game (UT3) itself is quite good, or at least it has(d) great potential.

Your logic is flawed.

I go pretty well with the UT movement, still I find q3 movement better :-|

Apple, the Orange killer.

orange does not have that many fans but thats cause its way more skilled to eat and all the noobs dont like to get raped and go to the easy apple.

:/

Haha, also, worms won't be eating it before you.