Zowie FK, EC1/2 evo, AM etc...

btw:
http://i.imgur.com/UK4w1Tw.jpg
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2q1anu0.jpg
http://cdn.overclock.net/e/ec/ecda6910_photo.jpeg

Zowie EC2 eVo - £50.00
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_31215.html
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php...p;catid=23

Zowie FK - £41.99
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php...p;catid=23
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_31173.html

Green you use these?
I'm thinking about them but think may aswell stick with WMO for the sake of 40 quid..
Are there real plusses?

No.
I was just listing UK retailers and their price.
I am like you though, I have only heard good things about Zowie mice but I am not to keen on paying £50.00 for one.

heh. I just did. 43 quid or sumthin.. I will report back..

Which one?

wmo > wmo

(Can't find WMO anywhere without it being used)

new
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Microsoft-Wheel-O...337d50d825

http://www.ebay.com/sch/dacheng2009/

hahaha "Hand Orientation Ambisextrous" :DDDD

I managed to get a new one (well barely used, looked totally like new, no scratches etc) wmo from amazon uk for about £5+delivery. You might also find white wmo-s in stores of an electronics chain called Maplin if you are in the uk as your account info says so. I can't check their website right now cause it just happens to be under maintenance. :/

Only ones I can find on Amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B000...dition=all

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Wheel-Mouse...se+optical

http://www.amazon.co.uk/OEM-Optical-Wheel-Mou...se+optical

And Yes I am in the UK.

i found this but it is also used

It looks like it's gonna get harder to get these mice in the future so if I were you i'd stock up on them. If you know any carboot sales around your area, go and have a look that's another good and cheap source of supply.

I have one spare.
£40

Thanks, but no thanks.

g100s is great :>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu1I9P5tkPo

This video shows the G100s malfunctioning.

Note that this test was made on extremly low sens.

I only manage to make mine malfunction in windows when i swing it around the mat with the speed of a cannonball. The trajectory of the cursor goes out of whack and then the negative accel kicks in.
It feels good on 500cpi 500hz for both the different setting i use in quake(raw input 0.016 pitch/yaw 2.8sens 0.2accel) and in cs(raw input 40cm/360 sens no accel).
Sometimes I feel like the tracking slows down like hell in windows btw, but thats probably due to the extremly small, almost non-existent LoD that mine has on the goliathus speed and my thumb tilting the left side of the mouse due to the way i hold it.

But if you want to keep using wmo for the shape this certainly is not the one for you anyway. I personally don't really like to use it for it's butt is too wide and I can't rest my palm on it very well, but still better backup mouse than some random stuff from tesco. :D

ah I thought that bug was an issue with my mouse :|

But I wouldn't call it a WMO alternative.

ie 3.0

In terms of weight.
Which mouse is the closest to the wmo?
I have been looking at Zowie FK and AM. Xai from SS is way too heavy for me. I am sticking with my WMO and purchased 2 more for safety. I am just curious because I think the WMO is unbeatable.

size chart and weight
http://i.imgur.com/UK4w1Tw.jpg

wmo is 80g

g100s is 82g and you can remove 13g I guess
SS Kana v2 - 88g (v1 was 79g, wtf...)
Zowie EC2 - 93g
Zowie FK - 85g
Zowie AM - 88g

about g100s
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409486
http://www.overclock.net/t/1389947/rumors-of-...xaggerated

btw. http://shootersmania.blogspot.com/2013/12/mou...tware.html

Thanks

accidental

g100s honestly. tried the zowie am, the LOD was way too low and the shape pushes the mouse out of your hand. other mice are either too heavy or the sensor sucks. most of the steelseries mice feel like garbage, maybe the newest kinzu v2 are decent but that cord is godawful thick and doesn't feel nice. the guy with the tracking issue above is using a puretrak talent, and his issue is probably the pad because some mice (including the zowie am) track incorrectly on the talent because of the pattern (black and blue combination, sensor results can vary on colours, some sensors track better on a black surface vs a white one). I removed the weight from the g100s and it's has a really nice weight to it, very close to the wmo.

people say the sensor is bad but I'm on a qck heavy and I've had zero issues. quake, rts, anything, it's all good. it's actually the first sensor I've tried that hasn't felt really bad (all steelseries and razer mice felt very odd, they never felt as accurate as a wmo). I haven't given other mice a fair chance though because of the weight, but honestly I've seen 100g mice and that's ridiculous imo. I tried the sensei and it was unusable just for the weight alone. it felt way too slow and it felt like flick shots were just out of the question. went back to the wmo and it was like a sigh of relief. i could flick and move the mouse as quick and fast as I wanted, I wasn't carrying dead weight.

by the way, if you remove the weight from the g100s (I recommend it) you might mess up the mouse feet, I bought these as a replacement and they're very good, I felt like they're comparable to hyperglides. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-WarWolf-SilenX-...35ceae548e

kinzu v2 is crap, kana v2 is good.

btw. g100s shape is kinda different from wmo imo ;p

exactly.

wmo and g100s are both small mice, but still the wmo remains a bit bigger

and yeah, the kinzu v2 is crap

kana v2 very good ^^

ORLY? Kana eyyy.... hmmmmm

ORLY? Kana eyyy.... hmmmmm

yea... from my research kana v2 seems to be great mouse and quite cheap. Only LoD is quite high.

I recently bought myself 2nd wmo just incase my current one dies (because even after testing all the contemporary mouse, wmo just feels the best for me) from this guy http://www.youtube.com/user/takasta . He has link to his ebay store in his video descriptions (has quite nice mouse/pads reviews aswell, check them out!) and sells ms wmo right now in steelseries color palette. I received mine really fast (like 10 days only from china to russia!), it was packaged well, works fine and actually i found the new 'glossy' palette much more comfortable then standart plastic cover of wmo. Highly recommend buying it.

yea, takasta is awesome, great reviews.

I switched from WMO to the Zowie AM, kinda the same shape - slightly smaller. Could really recommend it though, it's just expensive :/

Thanks.
I have been looking at the AM for some time actually.

Only thing that puts me off is the Zowie AM is fucking slippery.
so if you get some water sand paper you can just skim it lightly to give it a bit of texture, other than that it's not a bad mouse.

Price isn't that bad compared to a lot of the other over price mice out there.

Ozone Xenon uses A3050, 3000 and 3500 steps are interpolated for marketings sake.

Why can't just some manufacturer make a copy of the wmo?
They aren't produced anymore. There must be a way to make it happen.

because no manufacturer cares about 0.01% of gamers that need wmo

I've bought a Logitech g100s in South Africa, as I'm still on holiday here and just plug in/ download software and 5mins later ready to rock and roll.

Back in the UK I have a zowie am/ wmo 1.1 and this Logitech g100s feels in terms of control the same as the wmo 1.1 except no negative accel, the LOD is pretty good for what I use.

I've set the g100s to 400 dpi. in game quake sense is 2.0 and .1 accel and it's smooth as fuck and tracks like a beast. I dunno, personal preference maybe? I must say my rail and lg seems to be more accurate but that's probably cause some of the South African players don't dodge well :P


inb4 SA people complain about me complaining about the SA players.

[Julle mase poese.]
=D

Plus for 30quidles it cost me, not bad.

..still you can't call it WMO replacement.... different shape.
and new mouse in terms of control should be better ;P
also sensor is not so great.

imo, could be good to try as replacement
SS kana v2
Zowie AM, FK, EC evo

;p

Well in terms of feel, like how it moves I can call it a replacement. :)
Shape might not be as nice but hey, it works.

I think the all thing about WMO is shape ;]

kana v2 or zowie am

Just got a Zowie FK for £36.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-022-ZW

Buy this:
http://www.i-rocks.com/products/gaming-optical-mouse-0
and send us review :P

btw. Avago 3090 (if its not fake xD)

wow this mouse actually looks great on paper

but i'm wondering about the build quality and the durability

anyway could be a WMO replacement if really the sensor is 3090 and performs well

http://www.esreality.com/post/2243284/i-rocks-ir-7572-mouse/
http://www.overclock.net/t/1151351/ir-7572-gaming-optical-mouse

....but... now its IR7572+ so it could be different. But could be scam also :D

but. Original WMO got 9000 fps, i rocks 6400.... but don't know what it mean ;d

It uses indeed 3090, but with Angle Snapping SROM. ^^

Does anybody have experience with how these lenovo mice perform?

ThinkPad TravelMouse (800cpi native)
http://blob.jacob-computer.de/pic/artikel2/1/2/124229_2.jpg

ThinkPad WheelMouse (800cpi native)
http://shop.lenovo.com/ISS_Static/ww/ag/merch...069_V1.jpg
http://images02.olx.in/ui/17/75/07/1383564539...Lenovo.jpg

ThinkPad PrecisionMouse (1200cpi native)
http://outlet.lenovo.com/ISS_Static/options/U...093851.jpg

I don't want to spend too much money for a new mouse and i'm between 2 otpions
1. a used wmo for 5 euros
2. a new logitech g100 for 30 euros
which one should i choose?

logitech g100s

Golitech g100s is excellent! But the shape is not like the wmo and the LOD is a bit higher.

I still think the g100s sensor is perfect. Definitly better than razer mouse.