battle of the mods

x-battle of the mods!

You stole my line :(

Bad news :/

just to confuse matters more :|

geez i hope this patch is out soon

idiots.

omg, cant organisations just work together instead of against eachother?
This has always been the same with CPL vs other tournaments....

Why cooperate with some morons who're too blind to see the quality and potential of a mod?

Q4MAX now: > X-Battle
Q4MAX in the near future: >>> X-Battle

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that...

thats not what im saying at all, im not saying anything about the quality's of either of the mods, because frankly, i dont care. Just saying that CPL always wanted to be different, in any game.

second of all, with cooperation, i dont only mean the moddingteams, but also the tournamentorganisators, its better to set one standard for all tournaments, widely accepted, than to have different mods on different tournaments, that will only divide a community.

i thought that the word "organisations" "cpl" and "tournaments" pretty much clearly showed where i aimed at.

CPL isn't trying to be different here. They have worked with Blowfish before and the rest of the team are well known for there skills. Also q4max has a GUI which is VITAL for what the CPL want in a mod whereas x-battle are busy creating console commands for a broken hud. (Also note how q4max went and made a fixed hud [far more important than being able to choose where it is tbh])

and again, thats not my point at all. Like i said, i dont care which mod is chosen and for whatever reason, fact still is, is that CPL sets another standard with this decision, im not saying its wrong, but im saying that IMO cpl, cb, ggl, wcg, eswc etc etc. should actually try to come to agreements on setting standards, instead of everyone going their own way.

And that has nothing to do with q4max nor x-battle.

It has everything to do with q4max and x-battle actually.

this matter yes, but the matter that tournaments dont work together but all go their own way (which was MY initial point, on which you replied) has nothing to do with q4max and x-battle

it was the same with cpl using standard UT2k4, wcg using ttm and then eswc using utcomp.

Was just commenting on the CPL(always wanting to be different) part actually.

cpl used utcomp @ ut2004. Every tournament used utcomp in ut2004. I think you mean the cpl ut2003 tournament which was held a month after the release date of the game. in ut2003 ttm was the standard for all competitions.

yeah thats true, bit confusing all that kinds of things, but wasnt it wcg that announced to use ttm for ut2k4, then withdrew that statement later and went to utcomp?

/me makes sphinx, ini and eamroh a cup of tea

Can I have one, too?

a mug of shut the fuck up tea? :)

he said "cup"

The problem with a large organisation like the cpl working in conjunction with other organisers such as cb ggl eswc etc is that if they simply fell in-line at this point (which would mean picking x-battle) that would force all competitors to do the same, effectively making the decision for all of us which mod comes out on top as regards support from the community. A decision made regardless of whether it is a better mod, which at this point is too early to call anyway. This wont promote a better scene it would just kill off the competition and leave q4max in the cold.

Based on the past history of the coding teams at least, it seems q4max is the prime choice. so the cpl in the long run have probably made the right call. That said, the cpl being the "big league" that it is, has such a large influence over the top-end of the competitive community that this decision will almost certainly put a spanner in the works for the x-battle team.

ho hum

OMG stop that "that's not what I'm saying" crap. I actually read postings before I reply to them. And all I did was answer your question ("omg, cant organisations just work together instead of against eachother?") with a counterquestion. Everything else was just my personal oppinion about Q4MAX, X-Battle and the people who prefer X-Battle.

i didnt say you didnt read well, apparantly i didnt make myself understandable enough, since both you, and ini got my statement in a different way than i meant it to be. So it's probably my fault.

I dont mean to say anything about x-battle, q4max, any moddingteams or whatever, i mean to say that tournamentorganisers should try to gather around the table for once, to atleast check opinions, and maybe even help eachother, eventhough they are concurrents ofcourse.

I hope i made clear now what i meant to say, and if that didnt work the first time, its my fault, im sorry.
Also, with "thats not what im saying" i dont aim at anyone's reading more than at my own writing.

sphixie ownz

mutual plussing \o/

I concur.

xb went crap after they changed the model color to orange

True, you can barely see the new xbattle skins, they're not all that bright now... too bad :(

Yay :)

about time :)

Worse mod, better mod team. Hopefully this mod will be something great by cpl winter!

kinda biased to say "worse mod, better mod team" isn't it? If they can't make the best mod, they don't deserve to be called the best mod team do they?

that said... I agree that Q4max has a nice crew and they might just be warming up :<

Seeying as the more known ppl only just joined and thus haven't put in lots of work in it yet, it's not biased at all

sure it is... because they haven't proven that they are the best yet. In q4... vs X-battle :>

ur a moron.

i love u2

Actually, it's pretty impressive what they've done without the SDK.

how so? everything they did was pretty basic and you didn't need anything from the sdk to do it.

what people call "the sdk" right now is just 10% of the stuff you need to make mods. the rest is shipped with the game. sure you absolutelly need "the sdk" to change the inner workings of the game (ie, to create new callvotes), but to change skins and menu/hud shit the way mods did until now, you wouldn't even touch it.

WHat I meant was that they have done already without the SDK to make the game a lot better. Or are you saying you prefer playing with the crap baseq4 hud and without brightskins? If so...gl :)

way to distort what i'm saying. i applaud thee.

I think this is a good decision... gg CPL

at cpl usa events they used q3comp at first (till the famous "blue bug") while all competitions in europe used osp .. lets see what happens this time. right now europe is xbattle and usa is q4max and xbattle.


worldwide servercount according to game-monitor.com
q4max 107 servers
xbattle 484 servers

what exactly is this "blue bug" wasn't around q3 @ 2000 =p

Someone shot blue with a sg close range, u saw blood but he didnt take any damage, cos maybe he had cl_125 (pmove) on

Wasn't it blue shot someone (excalibur?) and he didn't take damage.

blue lost on T4 (sic!) against excalibur, iirc it had to do with com_maxpfs 999 (which spawned some conspiracy theories)

Yeah the blue bug :D

Yes, and it was quite scandalous at the time. The last tournaments winner was showing some INCREDIBLE playing up to this tournament. Then he's out really quick because of something like that happened.

not a shotgun, i believe (in this game) that it was a problem with the rail shots not getting accounted (that doesn't mean it was a problem WITH the railgun itself). the player models were also getting stuck iirc.

that was a problem with q3comp, although it was a more generic problem than with q3comp's code itself. but it was enough for q3comp to die, as cpl stopped using it in favor of osp after that incident.

blue gave up on competitive tournaments shortly after.

if you dont know what you are talking about plz dont reply...
it was a ssg bug on t4 and it was a bug with osp as the demo is downloadable and played back with osp and nothing with compmod.

you don't seem to be talking about the same thing the rest of the thread is. please move to other thread as this is not the thread you're looking for. thanks.

Actually Mr. Anonymous was right, the infamous "Blue bug" happened on T4 vs Excalibur, to be specific, it happened while Excalibur was sitting on Mega, and Blue made a fierce attack with SSG but the shots wouldn't do damage. The mention about conspiracy theories was right too, i.e. wether or not Excalibur knew what he was doing by setting illegal com_maxfps value or if it was a honest mistake, it was under debate, and still is to some extent.

thanks for confirming my point, that the problem wasn't on one weapon's particular code but on the mod code/settings themselves.

you just forgot to say mr. anonymous was wrong and that it wasn't using osp even though it's playable by osp.

there was a bug with pmove_fixed long ago. pmove_fixed "1" combined with com_maxfps "999" rendered the individual using those commands "unhittable" with rail/shotgun. Blue (sweden) was a heavy favorite to beat Excalibur (US) at babbages cpl 2000. Excalibur won in the area of 41:7. Blue realized that something was wrong a few minutes into the game, but tournament officials essentially did nothing to help.

It was the cl_125 thingie not pmove_fixed. Pmove came later.

you realize they're the same thing, right?

No they are not.

they served the same purpose and provided the same function.

I know that but they had a different feel and had some silly bugs of their own. Especially annoying was the cl_125hz stuck together thingie. Had to blast myself free from other players frequently.

concerning this topic, that point is still somewhat irrelevant.

actually it shrinked the hitbox to a ridiculously small size at the center of the model.

which won't be bias towards xbattle as they've had a couple of weeks since the GGL/CB announcement?

good decision!
go q4max!!

good decision, I would've made the same one now, but winter still being a month off and the world series being some time next year I would've waited to keep options open and pick the best mod out atm:\

One thing I am wondering is where the two mods are heading atm. Will they change weaponsbalance in the future? Will they fix stuff like the stairs?

As far as I'm concerned, mods can play an important role in fixing gameplay, it's just way harder when you have two mods that are widely accepted.

well, like i said before, it seems to me both mods don't know if they want to be osp or cpma.

hopefully it'll become a bit clear in the future in which direction each of the mods is taking, but right now i'd say they're in the middle of the "adding features <-> changing gameplay" range.

q4max actualy has the same Steamfish thing which actualy works fine... but it brings out the worst in me anyways because it was also used for painkiller.... so gay... and the name also kinda refers to the steam thingy of halflife.... at least change the name and the looks of this program so that I won't be reminded of those 2 games ! ;)

wtf? who cares if it looks the same. it's a fine program and does what it's supposed to do well. stop whining.

Amen.

Grow up... Nobody cares what it was used for if it worked well.

lol I wasn't trying to be serious dude :D

Well then, good for you.

But! This still applies to those who aren't joking.

best thing is that q4max site aint working for me, so the steamfish can't download stuff from it :((( please choose another ftp :(

CB please switch kthx

Yes switch or at least let the clans taking part in EC/OC and players in the 1vs1 EC/OC VOTE on which mod.

agreed

then again there's that problem with CB using public servers and public servers beeing mostly x-battle. IMO it would take public servers to switch to q4max first. Eurocup qualifiers are already begun and it's really short for CB to switch and have all server admins switch too.

The reason public servers are x-battle though is because CB is using it....

really ? Didn't follow it all but if so it's been a quick move by the server admins since there's a huge advantage for x-battle now. :o

My server is xbattle, i want q4max on there but cant till cb changes :/

Same ;/

good decision!

q4max for default mod!

arrg wish everyone would pick one and stay with it, half the servers have different mods on now :) but q4max has top talent on the team i'm sure its a good choice.

Good call CPL.

Oh dear.

Great, didn't really expect them to choose x-battle over q4max. That would be retarded.

I think europe should show some faith in their OSP champion arQon and get behind him and his mod team. You know the guy is intelligent and dedicated, and he won't stand for the release of some half-assed mod.

X-battle is small, and convenient, but it's obviously not going to be used for the single largest money tournament in Quake gaming, and therefore the best thing that can happen for the X-Battle team is for them to get in contact with the Q4Max team and see what they can bring to the table in terms of content for the sake of the community.

While Xbattle may be dominant in europe FOR THE MOMENT, I can certainly gaurentee you that no one with any real aspiriations of playing on the world tour or at one of the major CPL events will be practicing with Xbatlle any time soon.


GGL and CB should realise that they too have the power to make this community more united and functional by standing behind the mod that has superior potential. They shouldn't be all hung up in what CPL has chosen to do, but rather focus on WHO is working on the Q4Max project, and understand that Q4Max becoming a fine-tuned competitive mod is a simple inevitability. By choosing to change to supporting it now, GGL/CB stand to reap nothing but benefits from a flourishing competitive scene that will fuel their events, which brings in more sponsor interest, which generates more cash flow, which is the bottom god damn line.


Time to see how many people will be foolish enough to leave their heads buried in the sand on this one.

They should also note that a lot of players in the CPL tournaments arn't going to want to have to play x-battle when they will have to play q4max in the bigger tournaments.

I find it funny how people bitched and whined for arQon to:

A) Update OSP in Q3
B) Make OSP for Q4
C) Make A mod for Q4

Then when he is making a mod 50% of the community say fuck you and use another mod.(Which is in noway superior or inferior at this current time)

Cursive - Great post.

Q4MAX was a natural selection for us as we had a great working experience with the developer of PK++ during the entire CPL World Tour - in spite of the actual PK game developers never delivering on their promises.

The CPL is changing and we are investing in people and the future - not just in what is popular, picked or not picked by other leagues or any other temporarily fanciful reason.

Simply put, we believe that arQon and Blowfish will deliver the best competitive experience for Quake 4 and they will be receptive to the requests of both the community of gamers and the league.

The service they provide us all is absolutely invaluable and we should publicly appreciate their efforts, instead of creating yet another controversy about standards, that at this stage have not been established and can easily merge into one huge effort to unite the community.

arQon and Blowfish thanks for supporting the community with your long hours of coding and your great helpful attitude!

Good choice

What is the CPL's current view on modifying the base game to enhance the gameplay and spectator enjoyment? If the railgun dominates as seems likely at present then Q4 will not be all that it might be.

I'd suggest that at some point the CPL will have to pursue this course as the business interests of games companies are not met by creating high quality deathmatch maps and gameplay. The standard of 1v1 gameplay designers has not increased while the skill-level of the players has been driven to greater and greater heights. These players are liable to break poorly designed games.

Q4 base is fine, only map thats too rail dominant is fy. which is a complete utter shit map.

Have you played NO DOCTORS yet?

yes.

imo any map u put a railgun on can become rail dominant. As ive found trying to avoid creating a rail-ho level for quake4. Its almost inevitable with the rail on a map that it will go that way unless its just oodles of windy corridors. but then ull just have crap gameplay.....i think it may be time to nerf the railgun to 90dmg.....sorry old friend its gotta be done. *sob*

like how about 65 dmg ?

or 63,42 dmg?

63,42? dmg co-ordinates?

i dont understand ur post

Very nice choice... I look forward to the SDK.

Angel,

It makes me a very happy person to see a post like this coming from someone in your position. This is the kind of community support that is needed to bring dreams into reality.

Despite any bias I might have, I think you've chosen wisely. This will hopefully usher in a much long awaited area:)

Thanks Hubster.

To All:

arQon was just interviewed at Ampednews. I think it's worth a read.

you're a cock and i hate you

<3

Im glad you guys take some time to check out and compare different mods to see which is best in a competetive environment. I dont know which one is better, x-battle or q4max, but It does seem like the wisest choice so far to pick q4max. And I sau so far because Im not sure how the future will develop :).

Cursive m8. X-Battle has been around since 2000 in q3 and I can assure you its devs are as dedicated. So until Q4Max includes the work of blowfish and arQon and it is better, I don't understand how you can just tell eveyone to switch. They can do that once the REAL versions come out and Q4Max is proven superior. Until then, it's a battle of reputations and public image.

If it is a battle of reputation then surely Q4Max wins hands down given the people behind it?

Definetely. Is reputation the right criteria by which to judge a mod though?

ye that was the point I tried to make as well... not that it matters.. I'm sure Q4Max will be picked over X-B at the end of the day

comparing the two now, is there much else? Only argument for battle-x going right now is that more servers have battlex than q4max and that just doesnt hold up imo.

I have limited personal experience with these mods, havent had the time to try out the latest versions. But since they are so similar I look toward the future and the crew behind q4max gives them a certain credit. Now with the CPL choosing q4max thats the way I'am going too, the servers will come in due time even if I have to put one up myself :P

This isnt aimed at you sui, it was just a good place to base this rant off.

It's pretty sad to see so many people blowing q4max just becasue it has arqon on it when a few days ago most of you were slagging it off.
I don't care what mod becomes the new OSP, but I think it's pretty weak to slate teh x-battle team just because you do not know is developing it.
even though they've not put foot wrong.

FYI, the majority of the changes required in q4 max could be done by junior programmer fresh out of uni or still learning, so if you can't code then don't assume you need to be john carmac to do a competent job.
Unless q4 max intend on rewriting the engine and netcode then theres no cause for concern.

I don't doubt q4max have the best team, but at the same time I'm not sheepish enough to discredit another team, whom in my opinion do actually have the best mod at this moment in time.
I would like to see a merge, but at the same time having two mods will keep both teams fired up and act as a catalyst for better changes in a shorter amount of time.

Unless one of the mods goes down teh CPMA type thing then I'm not sure theres room for two mods that essentially do the same thing.
If they have to work against each other, then for teh sake of the players who are forced to play dif mod in dif tourneys, please keep the skins teh same.

True. It just isn't fair to not give both mods an equal look, with equal curiosity. Not only that, but to assure one has virgin eyes as well.

But if we really look at the situation, I think this akin to buying a new CD by an artist you like, instead of opting to try out the new group, however great it may be. Trust is a factor right now, and that usually builds over time.

q4max is the right choice. once the SDK is out it will be the numbar one : D

change the name ffs ;)

lol... at least it's better than x-battle...

not really

at least better than gankmod then?

No.

gankmod is the best name till yet, imo

Agree, although it means nothing when the other ones are called "q4max" and "x-battle".

But it leaves such an obvious name for the new Q4 OGC, Q4H4X!

It seems Q4MAX was ok to merge both mods (no surprise with arqon's call to arms : http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=916377 ) ?

I would know why this didn't happened yet ?

Are the x-battle's guys the kind of ppl arqon described ?

If we'd been as petty and selfish as many other teams were (and no, I'm not going to name names so don't bother asking) our attitude would have you been "You don't want to play CPM? Then fuck you, you're not getting PM skins".

?

If that's the case, I hope CB and gamers will support Q4max.

q4max will be hot, if they wont change game itself (weap dmg, movement). if they do it will... just sux, i dont want new promode (no offence to the mod, its pretty fun to play it)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but if any gameplay changes make it in the mod, they'll probably be voteable like we've been used to in the past with osp/cpma =)

yeah right, and them you'll made your settings default and basic changes will be votable. know that shit from cpma. you're gonna split community, and this wont be any good :(

Actually they said it would be vq4 as default.

i hope so :)

The logical way would be to do it like that and i am sure it has been stated, i just hope there wont be surprises...

OIC, a pm1 lover !

weepy whine

its a great mod and imho is the latest version way better than xbm latest... Good choice CPL! :)

Don't you people realize that now Q4max is going to be used for the biggest Q4 tournament of 2005 its bound to lead to more bigger and better updates from them....

who are you replying to, i see about 95% of the people who made a comment be very happy with q4max. :)

that was directed at "people".

I don't see what you have added or are trying to say(?).

kick his ass craig!

Hope this means Q4max get the SDK early or something.

Err, if they didn't give Arqon and Rhea and Early SDK for the stuff they did with Q3OSP then I'm sure they won't start now.
idsoftware need to reaslie that although hardcore gamers are a minority, they are worth 10 times that of a casual player in terms of promoting the game and talking about it for years and getting other players to look at it and be interested in the Quake brand.

CPL and id and the world series deal maybe could have an influence?

Sure, but it really depends on what they want to do with the mod.

A lot of the changes players are crying out for ATM can be (and have been) done WITHOUT an SDK.
Bright skins etc.

Unless they plan on messing with the movement or altering netcode etc (which I doubt they will) then I think a fair bit can be done without it.
Definitely a load of improvements anyway.

All q4 needs is good maps, bright skins and a few additional options in the GUI.
I don't see the need for an SDk to do that unless core parts of the gameplay gets changed. Having an SDk is not ideal, but it's no excuse to think its teh be all and end all.

you make it sound as if it's already finished and raven/id is sitting on it instead of releasing it

lets see how good the 2 mods will become in the future. I think everybody has to choice his own mod. There are also ppl out there who don't want to go to the cpl and just play the game cause of fun.

emz ftw!

i dont care whats used as long as everyone uses the same ..

[+] !!

wise decision from the cpl ;)

At the momemnt I don't think either mod is too much better than the other.
As soon as the SDK is available then the standard will be set.

If q4max has Arq on team then it gets my vote. I would say it will probably become the dominent mod in q4 for a some time before it is rebranded when the sdk comes out.

good lookin out

wtf ? are those cpl jerks on cocain or what ?

you think it was the wrong decision to choose q4max over x-battle? I wonder who's on coke...

depends if you smoke it or sniff it, effects differ..

You know. If arQon makes CPMA easily accessable (i.e through voting) in this new OSP mod he will attract a lot more players. :)

I don't get it... Isn't there some promode bulit in with OSP?? Is there any difference between that promode and the CPMA thingy? I'm no hardcore quaker so I don't really know..

yes there is, osp promode is like, version from 1958 or sth ? and it only alters physics (afaik) <- :(

what more than physics and fast wep-change is there to CPMA then?

try it out =P i know you want to!
edit: and i'm also vvvery lazy when it comes to explaining many things ;(

Nah, removed my Q3 folder as late as yesterday

http://www.promode.org/techsheet/

cpma is like ut2k3 with faster gamespeed, osp is lik eut2k4 with faster gamespeed. Does that reach your ut brain m8? :D

lol crap explination

hahaha i know

i feel a little sorry for champi, first he got hyped for no reason but an early hack, and now he gets smacked for no reason but for some other dude making some other hack.

Nobody cheering for GANKMOD ? ;(
Natural selection is so cold..

the one with the higher version number wins. need gankmod 0.5+ asap!

damn :( brutto must be gutted

yes.. this is heartbreaking to say the least :(

ye, q4 max > *
\o\ \o/ /o/

$200,000 for the CPL WT 2006? or that's just for one specific Q4 tourney?

only for cpl summer 2006

oh yeah, fnatic to the win. Now it will be a fnatic dominance again because of the mod. well done.

didn't the fnatic guy just quit the mod team?

also, I remember osp had a lot of abuse guys (ie, rhea himself), and people never questioned it...

you might actually try to read the post before start throwing around flames to fnatic again.

First see it and then believe it again. Besides There is nothing on the news item again. So i guess again that i love you again.

t's a little unfortunate to have to say this so soon after announcing the 0.5 release and the development team, but we are sad to say that we have had our first departure. zr0, who has been the Project Manager until now, has resigned from the team will no longer be involved with Q4MAX. This was entirely his decision: we understand the reasons behind it, and thank him for all the work he put in getting the project started.

zr0 felt that his role as Managing Director of Fnatic and the Fnatic Team had the potential to create a conflict of interest with Q4MAX's development somewhere further down the line. This is one of those cases where it's better to be safe than sorry, and take steps to avoid the risk entirely.

- qmax site

To clear up a few misconceptions: Fnatic and Q4MAX share no relationship other than using the infrastructure of the Fnatic site for the hosting and running of the Q4MAX site. The MOD team will remain completely independent from Fnatic. We wish to thank fnatic for their support, but they will not direct or influence Q4MAX's development.

Yeah, you could've missed this!

okey, thank you.

They have said they will be changing the netcode iirc.
"In terms of the future of Q4MAX, we will be focusing heavily on creating the most comprehensive list of core enhancements such as MVD support, enhanced Netcode, statistical improvements, as well as many more as soon as the SDK is released."-zro taken from www.q4max.com

If it will be soon and not like 2 years from now, I'm all for it. I fear the most some drastical changes for "the better" after all players got used to the "old style".

For example, I don't want heavy flags 2 years from now, for whatever reason, even if it's votable :). Or the sound engine being change 2 years from now.

i dont care when the sound engine gets changed just as long as someone does it

q4 has the worst sound system of any pc fps i've ever played :((((

I don't mind it either if it's "in time".

Well, how about we all wait for the first SDK release of both the mods, and make our decisions then. After reading Angels comment here, I can say that this is more or less playing favourites and not smart judgment.

Give it time, wait, test both mods after there is something really to test. Then pick one.

I don't buy shoes just because Nike made them, I try different brands and take that which I feel are confortable the most. Even if it's some x named brand.

nice analogy but nike is branding.
q4max team is like R-Whites lemonade.....

and im a secret lemonade drinker


(hope people have seen the advert or that last comment may come off a lil strange)

strange to me havn't seen the advert :D

Good choice.

At the time of the CB/GGL selection, XB was probably a bit ahead of Q4M so it's understandable that they chose XB, especially considering their leagues started/are starting quite soon so they had to make a choice early.

For the few people wondering why the Q4Max and X-Battle teams don't just merge or atleast work together under CC, I don't know if it's true or not, but I get the feeling it's actually the X-Battle guys that are the ones sort of hindering that from what I've read of their previous responses.

cant forget the amazing things blowfish did for pk to help the CPL

This is just a quick plea to the people who post fearful comments about movement changes occuring in quake4.

For some reason alot of people seem to think that because some of the coders from the q4max team were involved in developing cpma. All of a sudden some sort of q4/cpma movement hybrid will be sprung on them unawares. it makes me want to grind my teeth every time i read them.
give it a rest

thx :)

Until either mod decides to grace the community with a long term plan...I have no choice but to fear the worst :p

Well, you could try reading.

http://esports.ampednews.com/?page=articles&id=6351

cool...so what maps are we actually going to play? the tournament is now LESS than one month away and we haven't a clue.

My guess is that the CPL is secretly hoping a great map is released in the next few days :P

Or hopefully, they are working with the q4max team to evaluate some of the remix maps released.

same with d3 wasnt it ?

i wouldn't know, i stopped caring about doom3 when i lost my $80 entry fee when the CPL chopped the tournament & prize money and then chose PK as the WT game.

I hope phrantic(swq4dm1) will get standard, because its a great map.

sounds like a lot of pointless leg humping when currently a 'mod' is a collection of shaders and a not so pretty loading screen...


talk shit less, play game more?

i've decided to talk shit, thank you.

Hope you have lots of fun then

i do, do i.

geez, the mod's name sucks :D
Q3MIN ownz

i'm getting stupid frame loss with the q4max mod....... xbattle has no problem. anyone else have this problem? socrates_ is having the same problem - this is on LAN.

I want a higher fov range =<

CXG chose brutto's mod btw !

Does the SDK release allow the enabling of r_lightdetaillevel, that the fps map pack makes possible? If so will this be incorporated into Q4MAX ?

You can already change r_lightdetaillevel

Whine