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derp

-rate+rank

herp

That would make more sense :D Too early...


Also, I agree with the guy saying take Focal Point out and put Gothic Rage or something else in because Focal Point is pretty crap for most modes except FFA

I ranked them backwards rofl

sif it matters

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Replace Focal Point with Gothic Rage, because lol.

They need to reskin and unfuck focal point for it to even be considered a map. It's avoided like a fucking plague in every mode.

Why reskin?

it's fucking ugly lol

It's an alternative to the "gothic" look of most other maps.

I think it would be ok if the walls were a different colour to the floor, but as it is I really hate it too. With my settings it's difficult to tell where the walls and platforms end, and I can't be arsed to change config just for one map.

you don't like warsow-esque textures?

wonder how hektik can be higher ranked than the new battleforged but whatevah

I ranked BF 2nd and Hek 5th...
nvm, ppl just like brainless frags

u good

you mean brainless frags over 10 mins of +back 0-1 games?

shocking!

Taking items under high pressure is skill.

+forward all the time checking who has better aim is not fun at all after 3 games.

seems to me you're describing ztn o:

Only a fool can think that gameplay on hektik is brainless.
It's kinda funny to see people that are not capable of adapting to different style of map than they used to play and then call the map "brainless" or similarly.
It's you who have not enough brain if you can't devise any working strategy for that map different than aimwhoring.

No Hektik is too fucking rigid. The GA/RL room is pretty useless, and is somehow lack of space to move. There should be a tele or a more important item in that room. MH position is awful, too much disadvantage (MH should be at somewhere unsafe but not THAT unsafe). Not many terrain to use in Hektik either, some doors (like those in T4) could be added, or make one or two narrower corridors ffs.

What has all this to do with existence of different strategies?

Because w/o proper terrain, strategy became simple and game is lack of surprise/change/rhythm.

Think about the test big box, that's the extreme of an 'unproper' duel map. Does map have nothing to do with strategy, no?

lame argument, since it obviously works both ways, e.g.

Why don't you go duel on dm14 or purgatory? Massive level, tons of armour, incredibly strategic and +brain!!11. Winner is the player who remains after the other has died of boredom.

Because it is not suitable for duel. Items are too far away, rooms are too big, etc.

And Hektik is not great for duel either, though it is smaller than dm14.

What you say about "w/o proper terrain, strategy became simple" is quite reasonable.
But then you just describe what the terrain on different maps is, without explaining, why these terrain elements prevent strategy from becoming complex.

too many elements there so hard to explain, like ppl mentioned in the Zeriton journal 'good duel map'.

So I just mention an obvious bad point for Hektik here. On this map, the out-of-control player is really hard to take back control by careful caculating of respawn time (e.g. all major items YA-RA-MH are very close, and only one YA on the map, so it's too easy to control them all; stealing MH is too dangerous; etc.) or taking good position (There aren't many 'good' positions on Hek, terrain is a bit too open around major items, etc.). The out-of-control player can gain control back by a few good rail shots or whatever, but hard to do this in other ways.

These polls are usually useless because everyone votes his own preferences and not what is best for competitve play :x

That doesnt makes sense. Balance is key, it should be competitive AND liked, otherwise bye bye ql.

amOKchen voted: [1] Hektik, [2] Dismemberment, [3] Aerowalk, [4] Battleforge, [5] Focal Point, [6] Phrantic

plz add qzdm6

Insan3 voted: [1] Aerowalk, [2] Battleforge, [3] Hektik, [4] Dismemberment, [5] Phrantic, [6] Focal Point

//.D1Z voted: [1] Aerowalk, [2] Battleforge, [3] Hektik, [4] Phrantic, [5] Dismemberment, [6] Focal Point

Kill_ voted: [1] Battleforge, [2] Hektik, [3] Aerowalk, [4] Dismemberment, [5] Phrantic, [6] Focal Point

I miss bf, it was real nice with the new layout.

BATTLEFORGED

phrantic and hektik ftw

Vertical Vengeance!

Eviscerated is best duel map ever tbh :b

gothic rage is missing :(

oh, and once again it becomes obv that disemberment should not be in the mappool

Hub was showing its age 8 years ago, so I was surprised to see it was back, even with a different name and a few tweaks.

I guess that just goes to show how little things have moved on and lowering players expectations is the new "progress".

Not everyone is an old fuck as you and knew hub for ages :x.
It's a good map and I think many new player like to play it so I don't get your point. The aim is to attract new players and not to please every old man who moan about every little change and why ql is so shit.

i think every new player wants new maps...
i never dueled on hub before ql (though i watched countless matches on it) and its a real pain in the ass to make up for the quake 3 players advantage and i dont think the map is much fun

There are enough new maps to be honest (11 and with gothic 12). At least if you started with ql like I did. I don't need more I rather have more players who are willed to play maps which aren't in the map pool or called dm6/ztn :x.
And to be honest my best map is besides hektik aero don't know but there I can beat players who rape me on big maps like ztn and dm13.

<3 aerowalk


nothing to add
it's a brain+aim map just like ztn, has dedicated rocket/rail/lg/nade areas, nice armor distribution, I was pretty critcial when it was added, but as we see now, skill is not so much map dependend (even cooller started to practice t7 now as we can see and pwns there)

I actually think Dismemberment is not so bad map, and not even bad for spectating.

I'd say so myself from what I've seen from the map, but maybe nukm can explain a little further...

well the limited amount of items to fight for and the boring geometry makes it a real pain to play and watch imho. and so far i havent seen any match on disemberment that got me excited.

Most people on this site knew of hub when they were teenagers.
Not everyone is as clueless as you and 22 is not young.

Listenting to fools like you will only result in the same problems and revelatiions years down the line.

But go for it.

Why should it result in the same problems? I remember a few years ago quake3 was nearly dead though it had plenty of maps, mods and so on.

Btw. didn't I say that I was young I just started to play ql because cs got boring and the playerbase of ql was decent enough for me not like quake3 were newbies were rare.

PHRANTIC!!!

dm6 ????????????????????????????????????????????

I like phrantic, I'd like to see it in competitive play :>

new duel maps? "new"!?

The beauty of democracy is that the evil person has the same voting power as the good person. So vote for Satan, he'll lower your taxes!

Hail Satan!

How's life in the 16th century?

u r right actually

Republicans already have their 012 campaign slogan: "Obama is a communist. Obama is a socialist. Obama is a Muslim. Let's face it - Obama is different. He's not one of us. So in the next election, make sure you vote Republican, because we're white - just like you.".

That map-list is not too bad, if you remove focal point. Could be a decent official map-pool. Out with the old, in with the new. Yes, the old people will die and will be replaced by young people. And that's when real political change will happen. Do you know that an overwhelming % of people under the age of 30 are in favor of legalizing marijuana? So once all the oldies are dead, and a few more youngies are older, we'll have legal weed.

do you think the younger folk is more social/liberal/progressive? don't get deceived. apple == tree. so many 20 year olds think they're oh so leftist/reasonable but if you take a closer look, they're anti-woman-rights, anti-education, anti-state-spending, totally catholic in every choice they make and fully sunken in in old habits and tradition

The way it works is very simple: every old person who dies and every young person who reaches voting-age, represents a 2-point shift. Beyond any ideology or speculation, old people will continue dying and young people will continue aging. Because of that, young people always have the power. The problem is, young people lack the motivation. They'd rather fuck around in their sandboxes than exercise their power.

Beyond the simple natural order, young people are also capable of changing the minds of older people. If you implore your parents and grandparents to vote a certain way, they might just do so. You, on the other hand, can definitely vote however you want. If you're afraid of your parents reaction to your voting choice, you can simply lie to them. They can't go into the voting booth with you, so they have no real way of knowing who and what you voted for.

If only young people would start practicing democracy, we could quickly change the policies so many are disgusted with.

Jonesy up in this thread, yo.

jesus fucking christ, should be a poll about mappool, and jonesy is already posting his political shit that no one cares about

Some head admins think it's not an issue

the stuff vedic and jamerio are posting is way more intrusive and you can always ignore users via the profile page

Don't you see the big picture? It's all connected.

nDuser voted: [1] Aerowalk, [2] Phrantic, [3] Hektik, [4] Battleforge, [5] Dismemberment, [6] Focal Point

Phrantic is phun.

Voted BF and Hek 1st and 2nd respectively as they are actually new maps, Phrantic 3rd because it's the best of the old maps, Dimemberment and Focal Point both got my "meh" votes at 4th and 5th and Aerowalk last because lol let's play the same shit for another half a decade.

Ideal map pool:

more icebears for cooller

where is spartie's club?

strenx made a paddle pool out of it

Lol this is old.
Replace with focal point with solid(solid> that gothic crap map).

fast paced maps > slower maps hmmm....

WTF is that photo??!?

trollface/devil shemale

Well the father has a look of 'i always wanted a girl'

there are too many, what style are you refering to?

Revote maybe with Toxicity and the redone Battleforged (new teles) included please :)

Aerowalk: 4
Hektik: 4
Battleforged (1st version): 5
Battleforged (2nd version): 5
Battleforged (3rd, current version): 6
Phrantic: 3-4 (havenīt played it much)
Dismemberment: 3
Focal Point: 1 (havenīt played it much)

that pool was close in november dude