Hiya,

I've been banned and am not sure why. Could you give me further details please? We're in second place on the server WW race at the moment, so I am anxious.

I've also messaged multihunter, so please disregard if they are handling it.


-Eerik

who logged in?
because we havent been doing it.
and why didnt you ban us before?

Hiya,

I have had a few responses back and forth with MH2 on this now, so I apologise for the long reply as it's a summary.

He says that we have shared passwords with desertsands.

She has been our sitter on several occasions and we hers. We (Andrew and Eerik, I am his double) have never logged in to her account otherwise.

It's possible that she has our password. However, she wouldn't have logged in with it recently (post rw/tullia banning) and I would be amazed if she's done it even once since the eerik account was banned in June. We learnt our lesson then and have not done it since.

DS is from the UK and Eerik + I are in Estonia. There's no way that DS has logged in from this country, I'm sure a whois lookup on the IP will show that.


-Andrew

Hiya,

Can you tell me when that happened? I am 99% sure that it was BEFORE we were banned in June for this. Once we were banned then, we stopped. I am sure that we have not logged into anyone elses since that time.

If their logins were before our earlier ban, then I believe we've already server our punishment. If the logins were after that, all I can offer in our defence is that we didn't do anything ourselves. If someone else had our password we cannot control if they logged in to our account. We have been acting in good faith.


-Eerik (well, Andrew)

that is not true.
can not be true - to check i asked her for her password and it is something ive never heard before.

Hiya,

I don't dispute that you have more information on this than us. I'm not arguing, but I simply don't see how this happened. I have never logged into DS account, and neither has eerik.

The only times we've been on it are when we've been set as sitter, which has happened multiple times. DS says that nobody even has her password.

I worked for the security department at PokerStars (the world's largest online poker site), and I know you have a lot of data on us. I also know that people who lie to security are always obvious. I am being completely honest with you in my replies. I have never logged into DS account, and neither has Eerik.


-Andrew

Hiya,

I do not have DS' password. Eerik does not have DS' password. DS does not have our password (she says, though I don't trust her as I do Eerik).

The system should show us logging in to DS account as sitter. If the system is showing us logging in to DS account without being a sitter, then your system has to have a bug in it. We have added and removed sitters dozens of times in the last week, perhaps this causes a problem? Some are suggesting in our IRC channel that it may be a bug related to same computer usage?

That's all I can say on this I guess. I hope that you look again at the data and look again at your system. I find it hard to believe your system DOES have such a bug as it's been going for so long.

I am a sensible man, I do not have a problem admitting guilt if I am guilty. My word means a lot to me though, and I did not break the rules as you are stating.

Somebody else may have logged into our account, but we have not logged in to anyone elses since we were banned in June.


-Andrew

Hiya,

I've been banned and am not sure why. Could you give me further details please? We're in second place on the server WW race at the moment, so I am anxious.

I've also messaged multihunter, so please disregard if they are handling it.


-Eerik

Hiya,

I'm pretty sure she's in Norway. I'm in Estonia. We've never shared the same computer and I don't think have even logged in from the same country before.

I've never logged into her account except as sitter (she is near WW so we store some wheat there), and I'm unaware of her ever logging into mine... Could you tell me when that happened please?


-Eerik

Hiya,

Further to my earlier reply - turns out she's logging in from the UK, I was confusing her with another member


-Eerik

Hiya,

When was that last? I've only logged into her account as sitter and she's only logged into this (so far as I know) as sitter. Where's the IP from? I am 100% sure it isn't from Estonia, where I am.

DS isn't online at the moment for me to ask her what's going on, but I think this was her first day back at work for a while so I don't think she could have done this recently...


-Eerik

Hiya,

I've just been on the phone to my double. He says it's possible DS has our password from ages ago. We were banned for pw sharing in early June, and have not done it since.

I would not be surprised to hear that she logged into our account before that time. However, since we were banned for it before, we haven't done anything like it since.

It seems to me that we've been banned for something we've already been punished for. I trust this fits in with the data on your side? I cannot think of another reason why it would show up otherwise.


-Eerik

Hello - this is the original eerik here.
Let me explain how we work.
Me(Eerik) and Andrew share this account.
We both live in Estonia, Andrew moved here from England a bit more than a month ago.
We share the account.
I have not as far as I remebmer(and this is a good 2 months at least) logged in as desertsands(a she, from the uk) using her password, infact, i might have never done this, even when we were banned for password sharing in june.
Weve had desertsands as our sitter many times, we change them regularly and only have 2 for the night even tho its WW time. Our members are staying up countless hours in the middle of the night just to not break the password sharing rule.

Please understand and unban.

Hiya,

I haven't had a reply from MH1 yet.

Me (Andrew) and my double (Eerik) play on this account, he is a he. DS is a she and is not playing on this account.

DS has logged into this account as a sitter, would that explain the matching IP addresses? She has been a sitter on many occasions. I also log in to her account (as a sitter!) whenever our wonder is low on wheat. I have never logged in to her account using her password and she has not logged in to ours since we were banned in June for pw sharing. We have learnt our lesson from that.

Can you tell me where this IP address is from please? As you can see, I am in Estonia and this is where all the account activity is from. DS is in the UK.


-Andrew

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